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Author Message   Ingemar Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 01:22 pm:        I'm in for a 100 bucks. If I can be of any assistance drop me a mail.   Blublak Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:23 pm:        Hey Everyone.. If we're talking about supporting the Buells.. let's do it for real.. let's make it a tiered contingency. If no Buell is on the podium, then they get an amount for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place Buell's racing (finishing order).. If they PODIUM, then the amount goes UP! ie: Buell 'A' finishes 1st among all Buells racing. But finished 4th all around. The team gets $100. Buell 'B' finishes 2nd among all Buells racing, finishing 6th all around. The team gets $50. Next Race - Buell 'A' finishes 1st among all Buells racing, 2nd step of the podium the team gets $200. Buell 'B' finishes 2nd among all Buells racing, 4th over all, the team gets $50. Something like that.. I'd be happy to help figure the actual numbers once we know what our purse will be, what and how many races we're talking about.. etc.. What's the thought on this sort of thing? later,   Blake Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 03:29 pm:        Peter (Blublak), I like that idea. I'm pretty good at coming up with formulas too. To which and/or how many races the contingency will apply is the question I am pondering now. If we can get enough of a fund generated, we could cover the entire season and include a season championship award too. My goal is $20K. Come on people, let's help get Buell FX racers to the races and competitive!   Slaughter Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 04:30 pm:        Blake, I kinda agree proportioning is the way to go - and how to divide the pot is gonna be based on its eventual size. I feel it can be kept simple - 1/2 going to highest, 1/3 to 2nd highest, remainder to 3rd highest IF we have enough of a pot to carry beyond Daytona, that'd be sweet... but I'm wondering if it'd make more of a splash to shoot the wad on Daytona - one big purse will grab more headlines than a dribbling of smaller payouts over an entire season. If it turns out that there's more money then maybe save up for a series points award at the end of the season?   Lake_bueller Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:06 pm:        Blake....okay, I'm back. Now here are some questions I have (in general): How is the "fund" being managed? Do you have a "BadWeatherBikers" checking account? Is this going to be an effort for the 2005 season, starting in Daytona? Who's making the stickers? Will they have a BWB "logo" (is there such a beast)? Who will be presenting the checks? Will there be someone at each event to administer the funds? Who will be contacting the teams to get them involved? It seems to me that Henry Duga would be a great starting point. Thanks!!! Dennis   Tripper Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:11 pm:        the BadWeb Logo A damn nice one too!   BadS1 Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:14 pm:        Thanks Dennis I'm glad we spoke today on the phone.Blake I'm willing to help in any capacity for this effort.Also I'll be in Daytona just like Coolice said.Would love to hand the winner the check in behalf of the BadWeb.   Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:28 pm:        I wonder if Miguel will put a Badweb sticker on his Honda?   Slaughter Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:29 pm:        Right now, Hals is the only Buell team testing at Daytona. BOTH Bilansky and Ciccotto are running! (wonder if Dan is still going to try F-USA too!!??) Live updates for the Flash-enabled at: http://206.168.146.115/rr/AMAflashresultsnew.html   Slaughter Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:31 pm:        And regardless of WHAT your opinion of Mladin is, let's pray he's OK. There's no report on his condition as of this moment. http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=11331   Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:35 pm:        Mladin is a hell of a racer, I wish I had 1/4th the talent he does. Hope he is ok.   Rex Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:43 pm:        I know we are all signing up to be a part of this? when will you bill us, or notify us it is time to pay up? paypal? etc? REX   BadS1 Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 07:42 pm:        Slaughter to what I understand Bilansky isn't running FX but will be doing Formula USA.I think he's riding Mikes back up bike for tire testing.   Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 08:09 pm:        If its a backup bike, why is he so far off the pace right now?   BadS1 Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 08:12 pm:        I don't think he's gonna push that bike and maybe cause another problem.Only going off what Jim told me from Hal's a couple weeks ago.   Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 08:36 pm:        Sounds like Mladins going to be ok, was complaining of some leg pain but seems to be about it. Also both Hals bikes crashed, I wonder if its tires or if that new Daytona configuration is going to take some time to figure out the groove? Hal’s Performance Advantage Buell’s Mike Ciccotto also crashed Tuesday afternoon in the chicane. According to his team, Ciccotto “hurt” his right hand and suffered a concussion but did not go to the hospital. Ciccotto’s teammate Dan Bilansky crashed without injury Tuesday morning.   Sandblast Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 09:11 pm:        When would the cash have to be mailed or paypal'd by, and can you put in less than $100 or is it that or nothing? I don't mean to be a cheapie but its been raining and I'm missing a lot of work because of it. But if there is time to make up the work I'd like to be at least a small part of this...   José_quiñones Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 09:58 pm:        Someone asked about how contingency works, Court gave a pretty good explanation for it. But there are a few steps involved before a check gets handed to someone. Basically the three steps are as follows. 1. The people offering the contingency advertise and get riders/teams to fill out forms prior to the start of the season. Advertisement shows purse payout and what teams need to do to qualify. 2. If the applicants meet all the contingency requirements (Must be riding a Buell, must prominently display Sponsor sticker/patch on Bike/Leathers, etc). The teams get the stickers, stick them on their bikes and go racing. 3. After the race, teams submit copies of official results to sponsor and sponsor cuts them the check for the amount promised based on the result. You can read some actual contingency forms/applications/rules at the Formula USA Website HERE   Imonabuss Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 10:37 pm:        In the AMA, and possibly in FUSA, you definitely have to pay them a fee to handle the contingency program.   Blake Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 12:02 am:        Any idea how much the AMA charges for FX?   Rek Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 09:13 am:        A thought: How about making whatever sticker displayed by the racers to garner badweb support available to supporting members...say at $20 a pop? Rob   Lake_bueller Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 09:24 am:        Quick update.... Screen Name Real Name Amount Total Blake Blake $100.00 $100.00 Whitetrashxb James Williams $100.00 $200.00 M1Combat Donald Hann $100.00 $300.00 Daves Dave Stueve $100.00 $400.00 StealthXB Travis McCutcheon $100.00 $500.00 Vegas Bueller Nick Moody $100.00 $600.00 Slaughter Steve Slaughter $100.00 $700.00 Court Court Canfield $200.00 $900.00 Bigdaddy Greg Gabbard $100.00 $1,000.00 GOMO Dan Gomo $100.00 $1,100.00 Charlieboy6649 Charles Dire $100.00 $1,200.00 Blublak Peter Migala $100.00 $1,300.00 Road Thing Tom McCarroll $100.00 $1,400.00 Odie M. Oldfield $100.00 $1,500.00 Ftd Frank Davis $100.00 $1,600.00 Davegess Dave Gess $100.00 $1,700.00 Ethanr Ethan Rutter $100.00 $1,800.00 Toadboy Tim Faith $100.00 $1,900.00 KCBRAG KC BRAG $100.00 $2,000.00 Hans Hans Inzerda $100.00 $2,100.00 Firemanjim Jim Higgins $100.00 $2,200.00 Knickers Kurt Nickerson $100.00 $2,300.00 Peter Peter Moltmann $100.00 $2,400.00 Mbsween Matt Sweeney $100.00 $2,500.00 Dirtsquirt Dick German $100.00 $2,600.00 Davefl Dave Ingle $100.00 $2,700.00 Bjack Bruce Jackson, Jr $100.00 $2,800.00 Jprovo James Provencher $100.00 $2,900.00 New12r Charles Maike $100.00 $3,000.00 Mcgiver Brian Hooper $100.00 $3,100.00 Lake_bueller Dennis Fenrick $100.00 $3,200.00 Cyclonemick Mickey Harden $100.00 $3,300.00 Coolice Mike Kirkpatrick $100.00 $3,400.00 Madduck Paul Elliot $100.00 $3,500.00 Jerry Haughton Jerry Haughton $100.00 $3,600.00 Rex Rex Chaney $100.00 $3,700.00 Jose Quinones Jose Quinones $100.00 $3,800.00 Smoke Tim Ivanoff $100.00 $3,900.00 Ingemar Ingemar Bijker $100.00 $4,000.00 Blake....any thoughts on the above questions? Will the donor recieve anything (sticker)? Maybe a tiered donor level? Jerry....was Denise part of your $100 or additional? Sandblast...I'm sure any amount would be appreciated. BadS1....thanks for the talk I kinda figured that was the dilio   Jerry_haughton Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 09:56 am:        Dennis: part of, thanks for your efforts, good to have you back.   Slaughter Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 10:48 am:        Contingency also depends largely on the sponsor as well as the organiizer. F-USA (CCS) BRAG contingency was a race-by-race contingency. I actually made $100 just for not crashing in Vegas! Originally, I hadn't signed up, thinking (mistakenly) that the pay-out woulr only go to the first few Buells. Duga told me to sign up and heck, I got some money outta the deal. (next time you are wondering where your BRAG dollars go, don't blame me!)   Ingemar Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 12:17 pm:        Thanks everyone for explaining the contingency plan.   Anonymous Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 01:05 pm:        Blake, FUSA charges $1000 for administration of each contingency plan; the AMA charges much more. Puts a dent in the $4000, doesn't it! You might want to reconsider the contingency concept...   Mikej Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 01:18 pm:        Might be better to just contact the teams of interest and ask them how much they'd charge to carry the banner/sticker/decal on their race bikes for a season. Just a thought.   Slaughter Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 03:15 pm:        Mikrj brings up a point - if Badweb SPONSORS a team - we can do anything we wand. CONTINGENCY muddies the water. Sponsorship does again beg the question of WHICH team to get the $$$   BadS1 Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 03:19 pm:        My thoughts from the beginning,Steve.I'd be more then willing to speak to Hal's.That is if that is the team everyone is thinking of.   Lake_bueller Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 03:22 pm:        I also remember Hoban speaking up about t-shirts to donors.