| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat  |
"Sooner or later people will realize that Buells are junk." Mostly just when they are worked on by completely incompetent people... Not naming any names or anything, but I've done all my service to 10K miles and no issues here. I try not to pry on stuff though. I'm not saying there won't ever be problems due to factory errors, but I've noticed a certain trend in the people who have decided that Buells are junk. Most of them are rude to their dealers and walk into said dealers expecting everything to be handed to them on a platter. Like some dealer is supposed to feel sorry for your misfortune and just give away expensive new parts to placate a customer and make sure they come back. On the other side of the coin... There ARE dealers out there that WILL void a warranty w/o giving it a second thought. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise)  |
This isnt American Chopper, you dont assemble a bike with a 5lb hammer & pry bar. Just because someone has tools doesnt make them a mechanic, if you own a basketball do you think you are Michael Jordan? | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
AND i believe the part to be defective in the first place. Before or after you pried on it? Obviously it must have looked good enough for you to install it & the problem didnt come up until you had a brain fart & figured you would pry on a delicate aluminum casting. Everyone knows my history & I will be the first one to state if a dealership is indeed a stealership but in this case you are just plain wrong. | ||
| Bigbird  |
I have to say it is downright refreshing to see some people agree with a dealer's perspective. Not that I need people in my camp - I knew for sure the information I provided was correct in this case. These are the kinds of decisions I have to make on a regular basis, hopefully after 22 years in vehicle service I am equipped to make those decisions. Unfortunately BadWeb is chock full of dealership bashers, more so than any other website I've ever visited (even Advrider.com. Yes the beemer riders like to hate dealers too). But it is nice to see that some of the familiar names here see the logic in this argument and agree that a non-professional wrench must be held accountable for the repercussions of "home garage" work. I'm not picking on the "do it yourself-ers", as I consider myself to be one too. Having been on both sides of the equation I know when its time to pony up and pay for my mistakes. Obviously Jack doesn't understand where the line is. One other thing - you might want to fill out your will, see your priest, or do whatever else is necessary to prepare for the end of the world. Surely it is coming soon - Dyna and I actually agreed on something  | ||
| Rocketsprink  |
I don't. Share your history.. please!!  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Dude, you break it, you bought it. No pry marks, you have a point. Pry marks, and admitting it, you screwed yourself. As Dyna or Buells Rule, or whoever the hell he is this week, he's talking from experience. It blows, but you are going to eat this one. Next time use a rubber srew-driver. | ||
| Flick  |
But Wycked...if yours cracked when you were releasing the bolt, how would that have cracked it???? I know, when I was pulling my forks to change the oil, I could not untighten those bolts more than a tiny bit...they jammed to the point I was not willing to try and actually remove them! I haven't tried to adjust the steering head bearing yet, but looking at what has happened here, I'm not sure I would want to even try! I think (I know) they have used loctite on these bolts and this has probably increased the difficulty of removing/untightening them (?). To reiterate...I can see a bolt snapping or a piece cracking when overtightening, but not when loosening it?????? | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
I don't. Share your history.. please!! LOL, sure thing Rocco. I'll tell you tomorrow while we eat. | ||
| Xb9er  |
Flick, Wyckedflesh overtorqued it before he loosened the bolt, and apparently he overtorqued it enough to cause the alloy to fail. The bolt was holding it together until that stress was released. Had he torqued it another couple ft./lbs. more at the time, it may have crumbled. There is simply no excuse for making the top triple tree so delicate that it can be so easily broken A search of the BadWeb will show that I have my own short list of parts on 2003 XB's that I felt were problems and not addressed adequately by Buell. But I have not seen anything to lead me to believe that the top triple clamp is too "delicate" Gentleman_jon. You can just touch that piece and tell that it is precision made and you can't pry it around like you would a battery clamp, for example. There is a specific procedure and order in which you have to torque the bolts when putting together the triple tree. If you don't do it correctly and something breaks, that should void the warranty, now question. If I did what Dj_rider admitted doing, then a) I would have fallen to my knees on the garage floor and cried like a stupid pansy boy, and b) I would not post about doing it on the BadWeb. Just to check, I opened up my Service Manual and found this under the Front Fork section: Installation .... 4. See Figure 2-69. The chrome bolt is a bit too big for the hole. --a. Place a suitable tool (knife, screwdriver, etc. in the undersized hole. --b. Pry open the bottom just a little bit to get the hole to open up. --c. Install the chrome bolt and tighten. .... Yep, that's what it says alright...... In Dj_rider Fantasy World!!!  Sorry, couldn't resist. Mike. | ||
| Bigbird |
Just to check, I opened up my Service Manual and found this under the Front Fork section: Installation .... 4. See Figure 2-69. The chrome bolt is a bit too big for the hole. --a. Place a suitable tool (knife, screwdriver, etc. in the undersized hole. --b. Pry open the bottom just a little bit to get the hole to open up. --c. Install the chrome bolt and tighten. .... Yep, that's what it says alright...... In Dj_rider Fantasy World!!! Sorry, couldn't resist. Mike. Damn Mike, you had me going for a second. Nice job! | ||
| Wyckedflesh  |
Bigbird, Dyna isn't the only one who agrees with you, I do to. i am not a moron, i SAID i torqued the bolt 2 clicks UNDER SPECS not 2 Pounds over! and this wasnt a USED triple tree, I'm sorry was there an edit in your post where you actually said that? 17-25ft lbs is not much at all. I know my torque wrench starts at 25ftlbs. Anything below that and its not going to be accurate. As XB9er said in my case it was the bolt holding it in together. When I loosened the bolt, the metal had already taken a set, well when it was released it was now trying to return to its memory and couldn't. See I was pissed too when it happened. I dropped the cash for a new top triple and had every intention of sending it to Buell to reimburse me. That is until my roomate looked at it, then asked to look at the book. HE is the one that realised what the chain of events were, as he spent many many years making and machining aluminum molds for various types of manufacturing. He knew once he saw the torque specs just what happened. So yeah it was shame on me. As to the rest of the complaints about the warrenty being up to the dealer, well maybe that is an indication of your dealer. In your comment John you mentioned that Buell CS said it was probably your dealers fault, I think if you further your communications with the factory and by pass the dealer, Buell might suprise you and reimburse or help you get reimbursed for the repairs you had to cover. As to yearly updates, I see all the major manufacturers doing yearly updates to their vehicles. Whether its a change in brake pads or rotors or cams or a gasket, doesn't matter, you buy a new model the first year or two its out, you deal with the bugs, its the charm of buying a brand new model. If you want a fully sorted bike, wait til its the last year of that model. | ||
| Bigbird |
Bigbird, Dyna isn't the only one who agrees with you, I do to. Yes, I know. Almost everyone who has posted here agrees, except for a couple of people who obviously walk around thinking the motor company (or the world) owes them something. I was just making a joke for Dyna to chuckle at. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
As to yearly updates, I see all the major manufacturers doing yearly updates to their vehicles. Tell me about it, I was actually a little aprehensive about the 05 yamahas. I was hoping they wouldnt up the hp another 20 or so. Instead all they changed for the R1 was added black bodywork. Yea baby, my bike isnt outdated yet | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
No Dyna that is the mid-year change just for you | ||
| Blake  |
On how loosening one of the bolts could cause the triple clamp to fail. Go to the gym and sit straddling the bench press bench facing the bar. Hold each hand out in front as if each is holding a beer bottle with each thumb atop the bottle opening. Wrap each thumb over the bar and have someone place a 40 LB dumbell in your hands so that the weight is carried by your fingers supporting one end of the dumbell and by your thumbs hanging from the barbell. You can now do thumb curls if you like. Now let go with one thumb. Oops. When loosening pinch bolts ALWAYS loosen them gradually. The same goes for removing the crews from the clutch cover. If you don't the last one will be overloaded and bind or break stuff, depending on the application. The above thumb curl analogy is not 100% perfect, but you get the idea. Loosening one screw puts more load into the other. Snap goes the clamp.  The same holds for tightening. If you tighten one to specified torque before installing the other pinch bolt, when you do install and torque the 2nd pinch bolt, you will find that the first will be undertorqued. | ||
| Blake |
Joncr250, "Sooner or later people will realize that Buells are junk." Or that you are a dissatisfied and bitter former Buell owner. But let me try to make this as crystal clear as I possibly can... If you believe that "Buells are junk", you are not welcome here. I wonder why anyone with such views would choose to visit and contribute here. Harboring such petty hatred and ill will will devour your soul. For your own sake, please move on. | ||
| Blake |
Jon (Gentleman Jon), What Bigbird said.  Bigbird, Excellent rebuttal! | ||
| Dj_rider  |
jesus christ, your treating me like im some nazi scumball, you want to know something... i had the new triple tree on, it fit perfect no &ucking cracks...but i had this noise coming from the bearings at the front of the frame...when i would compress the front shocks, it seemed the whole front end was moving, ever so slightly, so i figured well i must not have installed the triple tree down all the way flush with the bearings, so i losened the bolts, hit the triple tree with a rubber mallet, finger tightend all 4 bolts, and began to tighten them up...when i was tightening up the middle bolt it wasnt even seeded in the mother &ucker when it broke...you people need to relax, i wasnt asking for a god damn freebee, i make more money in one hour than most of you do, not that it matters, because i dont have to prove myself to anyone, and i KNOW yall dont care...anyways, please get off my case, i was NOT asking for a freebeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i was asking what my options were...and i dont agree with some of u saying buells are pieces of junk, because they most DEFINITLY are NOT...i love my bike, so much when i wrecked i put thousands of dollars back in the bike ON TOP of what my insurance company gave me...i think the xbr is one sick puppy...and you people act like i took a crowbar to the son of bitch, i used a normal sized flat headed screwdriver with electrical tape wrapped around it... so quit being mean to me because i asked for advise, im an adult, not some punk stoner kid on crack... this is one reason why i cant stand the internet, everyone takes peoples words and twists them so bad that it makes the person look like an $sshole, meanwhile if we all sat in the same room and had the same discussion, we would all be laughing and not being so god damn serious bigbird i will not apoligize for calling my service manager a douchebag, cause he is...its MY opinion, and honestly your opinion doesnt really matter to me because your in ohio where the pittsburgh steelers kicked both your football teams asses!!!!  enuf said, please let this thread die, because we are going no where with it, not only did you twist my words and make me feel like an &sshole for no reason, now my favorite buell site is not so great anymore  | ||
| Static |
If you believe people misunderstand you it may be because you need to put a little more thought into what and especially how you are saying it. ( read as QUIT BEING SO CHILDISH!!!) Yes you have the right to voice an opinion, but so does everyone else. If you make an inflammatory comment about the company or industry as a whole you might want to listen to what people on the inside have to say, and face the fact that your understanding and expectations may be incorrect. OH, and if you don't have to prove yourself than why might you state that you make more money in one hour than most of us do? Or reference football in order to avoid considering someones statements. Sounds like you do have something to prove. So prove you can handle the constructive criticism and think a little more about what has been said by several people here. | ||
| Court |
>>>so quit being mean to me Sage advise: Don't hold your breath. I have been waiting on them to quit being mean to me for years. Everytime I say something stupid they gang up on me an hold me accountable for my actions. They expect me to act like an adult. I'm with you...I wish they would just quit doing that! Court By the way, I am not sure who the nimrod was who said something about "Buells being junk" but you are an idiot based solely in warranty data numbers that the Buells are amassing. While you are thinking about this find me ANY motorcycle in the world more reliable than the Buell XB platform. I can fly. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I'll take you up on the bet of who makes more an hour. I'll bet it isn't you. As far as your childish behavior, you really are a moron, aren't you? You ask for peoples opinions, we give them, and you act like a frickin' 2 year old. WTF ? I'd say next time, don't ask! Do what you want, and live with the results. There's too much knowledge here to be wasted on your stupid, self induced, problems. Grow up. Now, go play so funky music. | ||
| Rek  |
i make more money in one hour than most of you do,) And you're still doing your own wrenching? Dude, you're wasting time. If you make that much money just buy another bike.  Rob | ||
| Xb9er |
You first admitted you did some prying to force precision milled and cast parts together. Now you admit to brute force with a rubber mallet. Nowhere have you mentioned consulting the Service Manual, mechanically inclined friends, or better yet, the BadWeb. The Internet offers fun, guilt-free entertainment. Right or wrong, it's more entertaining to pile on when someone makes a mistake. "I am a DJ, I am what I play." - David Bowie Next time play what people want to hear. - Mike. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
i wasnt asking for a god damn freebee, i make more money in one hour than most of you do, Really? You werent asking for a freebie? Then why bring up the warranty? And if you make so much money why do whine in your opening statement that its money you dont have? You screwed up, came here & tried to blame everyone but yourself, then when you are called on it you cry & say we are picking on you. Yep we sure are & you deserve it for being a •••••••">•••••••. the only problem with this is, they charge about 5 percent over retail for the triple tree, and if buell doesnt accept the part, then im screwed out of the MONEY that i dont have! i dont think that a pry mark is a valid voided warranty issue, AND i believe the part to be defective in the first place. | ||
| Aldaytona  |
and on his farm he had a _________ E I E I O. | ||
| Vegasbueller  |
"Sooner or later people will realize that Buells are junk." Nothing pizzes me off more than that single statement that I have heard here time and again. I have an 03XB9r, 22,000 miles. New wheelbearings, 1 broken oil line/pump fitting,1 time had a loose battery cable, oil changes every 2,500 miles, and no problems. I drive the thing every single day. I just came back from a 700 plus mile rountrip from Vegas to SanDiego and back. (NON STOP other than fuel and warm up breaks.) Not one single drop of oil leaked, not one single hiccup or scary moment. These bikes rock! You treat them like you would treat your baby, and they will go a very long way! I just cant seem to convince my wife that the bike needs to sleep in the bedroom with us at night!  | ||
| CJXB  |
enuf said, please let this thread die, Possibly if you stop posting back replies and bringing up more for them to pick on you about like money and football, it will die !! You have to help it die though !! CJ | ||
| Tucsonxb9s  |
Oh no...Court's flying again! | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
You know DJ, I had a very nice long post for you to read, but realised that based on your previous reactions to peoples constructive criticism that it would be lost on you. I will say that if you do not have a service manual, email me, I have one that I will send you for half the cost of new. If you do have one, I suggest you open it up and read the section on adjusting the head bearings as from your last comment on your procedure I feel I can safely say that you missed an important step that has to do with the lower triple trees when you tightened the center cap. | ||
| Doughnut  |
A: Yep, I bet you do make more an hour then I do. Your point? B: Court, I like ya, everyone, stop being mean to Court. Come on, the man can fly. C: Go Packers. D: "Don't be a bitch, suck it up." We all do/say something dumb at some point. How we respond is what matters. Learn from the it. Admit blame. Move on. E: Can we all be friends now?  |
