| Author | Message | ||
     Robxb  |
A friend of mine made these rear sliders for me. He's currently making a set for the front also.  | ||
| Robxb |
here's another view  | ||
| Hogs |
personally I think they seem to stick out too far , also might smash and bend in causing more damage ... I think Keiths wd. be a better over all material & design .. just my 2 cents.. | ||
| Robxb |
he had in mind to use them with a rear lift. kind of like the spool style | ||
| Black_sunshine  |
Rob...be careful that the metal doesn't grab the payment and flip the bike. Sliders are usually delron or something so they will slide and not grab. By the looks of yours it would seem they would bite into the payment causing further damage. What are they made of? | ||
| Robxb |
I believe he used aluminum | ||
| Signguyxb12  |
I gonna use a trailer ball  | ||
| Black_sunshine |
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| Robxb |
Hey come on, the guy was trying to do me a favor and make a pair. Personally I do like the nylon type. | ||
| Black_sunshine |
Rob....I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just hope that (go forbid) you go down that they work good for you and don't cause more damage to you bike. They do look much better than the nylon type I must say. | ||
| Robxb |
no problem hooligan, I posted them on here for the input. This is the first bike I'm using a set of sliders on because of the importance of the rear swing arm and frame. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise)  |
There is no way I would use any type of metal "slider". That being said those also sure as hell dont look like aluminum, I say yank em off throw em in the trash & get some real sliders. Sorry but you did ask "What do you think ?". | ||
| Lovematt  |
Actually if they were that shape but plastic that might be fine if they didn't crush too much. I will say they look cool but their function is more important in my mind. Sliders are not necessarily meant to stop the bike quickly. The main problem with high/low sides is that the tires, pegs, or bars catch something and cause a rapid change in direction and orientation as the bike goes down. The sliders should be the first thing to hit the ground and prevent this as much as possible. | ||
| Firebolt020283  |
ok my question is whats so bad about those compard to dark horses? grated these dont look as nice why are these being scretinized cuz there metal if the dark horses are metal also? | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Good question, I havent really looked at the other ones before now so I took a peek & while I personally dont agree with producing sliders out of any type of metal, at least the dark horse ones have a smooth profile & dont appear as if they would catch on anything on the ground which could cause further damage.  | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
ok so the reason the for the dis like of these is that the bumps on it would catch and tear other thing up. then my question is answered for the most part. | ||
| Robxb |
Buells rule, yes I did ask. Isn't that the whole point of asking questions on here ?? i was looking for input, after riding Harleys now for a while I wanted to know what everyone thought. I can understand the theory of those hitting first if it ever went down and causing the bike to do something other then slide. So it looks like I'll be buying a set of nylon ones soon. Now besides the buell frame pucks, has anyone on here used the "bobbin" type frame protectors ?? | ||
| Robxb |
 I was talking about these. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Couple folks have installed those, however I dont recall anyone crashing a bike with them installed & so far the opinions are mixed as to whether or not the mounting locations will end up causing more damage then not having any sliders at all. Specifically the primary side mounting bracket looks likely end up hurting more than it might help. | ||
| Blake  |
There is absolutely nothing wrong with aluminum sliders. Virtually all bar end sliders are aluminum. Plastic can easily get ground away to quickly to do any good there what with the small diameter. I'm pretty sure I've seen conventional frame sliders for Japanese bikes available in aluminum as well. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
The bar end sliders I have are produced from HMWPE, basically the same material as a truck bedliner. I dont even know if metal sliders would be legal in a race situation? The potential for them to gouge the asphalt in the event of an accident may not make the track owners too happy. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
A proper slider And im going to clarify this by saying its strictly my opinion sliders should be of a polymer based material. You are obviously free to use metal if you so desire. | ||
| Daves |
I wish they were made of Flubber!  | ||
| Slaughter  |
Since you asked... they look more "Harley" than "Buell" Looks like you could lathe-turn some Ultra-High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMW) - into a more conventional shape and use the same mounts your buddy fabricated up for you. I have some thoughts on sliders having had a couple on-track crashes on the XB. First - regardless of what slider you use, get the "stick-on" type that go on the "cheeks" of the tank/chassis. ANY slider you have - bolt-on or the "real" weld-on (Hals Racing) - any of them will bend back in a sliding crash at any speed more than 45-50 and you're gonna be sliding on those pretty virgin frame cheeks anyways. That being said, both of my crashes were without sliders of any sort - one of which was about 120mph - and both chassis are still race-ready (after some smoothing/polishing the gouges and scratches) - they're just dented now. Second - I have a hard time feeling good about sliders which attach to front engine mounts or the "V" mount on the left side and extend so far out. They look cool and will help a lot in a parking lot tip over BUT at speed, I'd be afraid they'd add to the frame and engine mount damage. In one of my crashes, I tore out the front mount on the front cylinder. Attaching a slider to that engine mount is only going to make it more likely that it'll be damaged in the event of a fall. Third - if you have a local welder you can work with who is highly skilled in aluminum (or better yet, if you can afford it, send your frame to Hals) - get the weld-on slider mounts from Hals and have them installed. It does take a good aluminum welder used to welding without screwing up or over-heating. Yes, Hals' does sell the kits and no, I don't know the cost - and you still have to pay the welder. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
Steve, Would you have to have a welder fill the frame with an inert gas during the process? I'm assuming that Hals uses a similar process to keep the frame from exploding. I knew some people in the good ol days who would weld on a fuel tank if it was flushed with water and then filled. I knew many people who would refuse to do this. I also personally know that my friend's father was welding on a speedboat tank (stainless) that had been flushed and filled with water. The tank exploded and blew his brother completely out of the garage. Luckily it was a strong tank and did not turn into shrapnel but simply burst the seam. His brother was unconscious for a while, but came to and was ok. My friend and his sister who were very little at the time were in the driveway and had red spots on their legs from the slag that blew everywhere. xbolt12 | ||
| Slaughter |
Far as I know, they do a complete drain/solvent wash/ventilate and still use Nitrogen purge on the inside. Welding on used fuel tanks is touchy. I'm still looking around here for somebody and have found a couple willing to tackle it BUT we're probably talking about $200 total to weld the 2 mounts in place and you have to take it apart for them. I'm still sticking to the stick-ons (which I am guilty of not yet ordering) Fixing a busted exhaust this weekend. 3 weeks before the next race. | ||
| Blake |
Greg, I'll say this as clearly and simply as I can. You don't know what the heck you are talking about concerning sliders. But hey, by all means, if you are more worried about protecting the asphalt or concrete road than your bike, please do mount up the cheap plastic sliders offered by many vendors. They work okay as frame sliders and are lighter in weight compared to their aluminum counterparts; the cheap plastic sliders are however more prone to fracture and break off upon impact than the more expensive aluminum ones. http://www.hyperformanceparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_27_334&produ cts_id=1512 http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/59-VR-17 Note the more expensive aluminum version sliders offered by Vortex, a prominent supplier of racing frame sliders. Or the aluminum frame sliders offered by ProTek, another prominent supplier of racing frame sliders... http://www.protekk.com/index.php?cPath=30&osCsid=93f2120bd20a1f6a584c282a475ad00 0 http://www.parts411.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=9&Product_ID=20653&CATID=22 Glad you like your dorky plastic bar ends. Those style bar end sliders are notorious for getting ripped out of the handlebars upon a sliding impact. I can personally attest to that. I now use aluminum bar end sliders that do not protrude nearly so far and are much less likely to be wrenched from the bars upon impact. The aluminum versions also bolt much more securely to the bars. I am not worried about protecting the asphalt though. Guess I'm just selfish that way.  | ||
| Blake |
Also note that all swingarm spools that I have seen are aluminum. Though they are not advertised as such, but they do indeed also act as hapless swingarm sliders. I've seen a number of them get ground down in low side crashes. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
I now use aluminum bar end sliders that do not protrude nearly so far and are much less likely to be wrenched from the bars upon impact. The aluminum versions also bolt much more securely to the bars. Both versions mount the same, I have an aluminum set as well as my "plastic" ones.  Also note that all swingarm spools that I have seen are aluminum. SO you have never ever seen a set of these? They are made by pro-tek, nearly every company making sliders produces something similar  Go to an AMA race & see how many pro racers run metal sliders on their frames. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Hmm, Hals uses "cheap plastic sliders" on Cicottos race bike. |
