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Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 05:57 pm: | 
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Colin Edwars got to do a hot lap of the TT circuit. He followed a martial so he would know the way around and while they we in no danger of breaking any records it was dam fast. After Colin said " I know know what kind of machine you need ot win the TT. You need a wheelbarrow to carry your balls in" |
Tripper
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 06:00 pm: |
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Gettin a shoulder down! |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 06:07 pm: |
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JQ,
I watched the entire season of WSB racing in '00. Your take on reality is apparently a bit different from mine, or maybe you weren't a race fan in '00, which would explain why you don't recall the details of the WSB championship in '00.
Not sure how Corser on the Aprilia "almost won" the championship while at the same time ending the season 90 points behind the winner, Colin Edwards. And contrary to your belief, Corser at no time led the series, not once. The truth is that Colin Edwards could have sat out the final two races and still beat Corser/Aprilia. If that is what you call almost winning a championship, I would have to disagree.
Here's the pertinent data.
Was Corser in the running through some portion of the season? Yes. But he certainly did not almost win the championship, not with a 90 point deficit. It would be accurate to say that Troy Baylis almost won the WSB championship in '02 or that Mike Cicotto almost won the AMA Thunderbike Championship in '02. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 06:28 pm: |
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The BSB series races at "many" of the same tracks as WSB??? You've taken to dishonesty to try to make a point. I think WSB raced at two BSB tracks this year. In fact they've raced at the same two BSB tracks for the past three years, Silverstone and Brand's Hatch.
Dave,
AMA SB versus BSB? Are you kidding me? AMA SB riders would wipe the track with the BSB riders. Please, we don't need to offer Sean any misplaced conciliatory gestures. I mean good grief, we have some of the best Aussies and Canucks along with our own superbike racers, and now we have the top Brit racer. BSB on par with AMA? Please. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 06:38 pm: |
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"I see a lot of name dropping and no mention of Wayne Rainey, didn't he win some big championship before he was injured?"
Not to mention Kenny Roberts Sr., Kevin Schwantz, Eddy Lawson, and Freddie Spencer. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 07:17 pm: |
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Sorta like the way you make it all about Banning guns, Bitching, and god damn British?
Actually, I posted no more than a handful of times in the 'heat' thread, and as usual my points aren't valid. As for bitching, I can hold my own, but then I get asked to apologize or better, leave. As for the god damn British, you'd be fcuked without us.
Motorcycle racing............
Contemporary riders who went straight from BSB to MotoGP. Try again.
Seeing as I'm dumb enough to have missed him, let's start with Shakey.
Shane Byrne
1997 Supersport 600 Champion.
1998 National Supersport Championship, 6th.
1999 British Superbike Championship (Harris Kawasaki ZX-7RR)
2000 British Superbike Championship (Honda SP-1) 5th place
2001 British Superbike Championship (Suzuki)
2002 British Superbike Championship (Ducati 998R Testastretta) 4th
2003 British Superbike Championship (Ducati) Champion
> Wins both World Superbike races at Brands Hatch
2004 Aprilia MotoGP Team.
Jeremy McWilliams
Irish road race champion to 500GP's.
Privateer 500cc Yamaha 1993, 94, 95, 96.
Chris Walker
Chris Walker was a motocross rider. It wasn't until 1994 at the late age of 22 when Chris finally found his way on to a paved racetrack, so Walker's ascent to Grand Prix is nothing less than miraculous.
It all started when Walker attended a Yamaha race school at Cadwell park. His instructor for the day scored him in the 90-percent range and wrote, "this kid must go racing." The next day, even the instructor was surprised to see his student walk away with a second place finish as well as two wins on a RGV250 at Mallory Park. He quickly won the British National 250cc Championship the following year.
Until recently, Walker has been in the British Superbike series, racing on Yamahas, Kawasakis and Suzukis. He even had the opportunity to test Kenny Roberts' Modeanas GP bikes when they were still just getting started. He placed first in the 24 hours at Le Mans with teammates Sebileau and Hislop, earned two wins in the race of the year at Mallory park, and three-podium finish in World Superbike.
Walker tested with Erion Honda on a Formula Extreme bike and turned some heads. At Brands Hatch, Competition Accessories talked to Walker about riding their Ducati in AMA competition for the 2001 race season. The AMA teams pay more for their riders than in British Superbike, but the deal would only happen if a World or GP ride were not available - Walker didn't want to return to British Superbike.
So to 500GP's on a privateer Honda NSR500.
James Haydon.
1991, first season in GP's.
· Best result of 10th at Spanish GP.
· 13th in Argentina, 14th Brazil, 15th Holland.
· Qualified 1 second from Mick Doohan (on pole) at Donington GP.
1992 Season
· 6th in British 250cc championship.
· Won 1 of 6 rounds (first British championship win)
1993 Season
· 2nd in British 250cc championship.
· Won 3 of 6 rounds.
· 500 GP wildcard entrant at Donington (youngest ever UK entrant) finished 11th.
1994 Season
· Selected rounds in British Superbike - 1st at Snetterton and numerous top 5 finishes.
· Selected rounds in British 250cc - 1st Donington and two lap records.
1995 Season - 500 Grand Prix Privateer Team (Harris Performance)
1996 Season - 500 Grand Prix Privateer Team (W.C.M)
· Best result 9th in French GP.
· Top 15 in Malaysia, Japan, Spain, Britain and Holland.
· Regular top privateer.
Steve Hislop
Controversial motorcycling champion, regarded by fellow riders as the fastest man ever on a motorcycle. Born in Hawick, Hislop made his debut in 1979, encouraged into the sport by his father who died suddenly shortly afterwards. He won the Isle of Man TT eleven times and was the first rider in its history to lap that course at an average speed of over 120mph. He turned his back on the TT in 1994, claiming it was too fast and dangerous for modern superbikes. He went on to win the British 250cc Championship in 1990 and became British Superbike Champion (1995 and 2002).
A flawed genius, his career has been described as self-destructive and his risk-taking resulted in numerous high-speed crashes and Hislop suffering life-threatening injuries. His brother Garry was killed on a motorcycle in 1982 and Hislop stopped attending funerals of fellow riders, unable to face up to the number of friends he had lost. He was always outspoken having well-publicised clashes with other riders and teams over the years.
Hislop lived on the Isle of Man. His autobiography Hizzy was published in 2003. He died tragically later the same year in a helicopter accident near Teviothead, to the west of his childhood home of Chesters.
Won Macau GP 3 times 1990, 93, 94, riding a 500cc Yamaha Grand Prix machine, his third Motor Cycle GP victory.
Granted, never rode in 500GP but he's also the man that went faster around Donnington in 2002 on a British Super Bike, than Rossi did on a RCV211 Moto GP bike that same season in very similar conditions.
Jamie Whitham
1986: British 80 class Champion
1988: British Unlimited Production Series Champion
1989: 2nd, British 600 Championship
1991: Won MCN TT SBK British Championship
1992: 9th, French round of 500 GP World Championship
What was your point Blake? British riders aren't good enough to jump from BSB to Moto GP. And there was me believing you don't make a point of belittling anyone's racing efforts. Didn't you say it's all good for you?
HRC raced FX this year, long before any decision about changing the Daytona 200 to FX was ever considered. Try again.
HRC knew what might be coming. They simply made provisions early, which is what Honda have always been very good at.
Your riders are often overlooked because they often cannot compete at the highest levels. It took Baylis and Edwards leaving WSB so Hodgeson could win a championship.
Provocative bull shite that shows you in a poor light me thinks.
I see, it's fine and dandy that Aprilia races the support classes, but when Buell does it is somehow unworthy of note. Right.
It's more telling to me that Buell don't get the funding to go racing like Aprilia do when one considers Buell's parent company is a Fortune 500 member. I'm very surprised you consider 125 and 250GP's as support classes.
And in your mind, allowing Buells to race competitively, just as Ducati 749R's are allowed in FIM SS and AMA FX is some kind of good fortune in rules changes. Allowing a bike to race is certainly good fortune for those seeking to race it. I guess if that is how you look at it you are right. But you see it as some kind of rules concession benefitting Buell. You'll have to explain that to me. I've raced in too many classes where all manner of engine configurations were allowed with engine displacement limits set accordingly to view such a class with anything but admiration and enthusiasm.
I said I'm not one for downgrading the premier class racing that once was. If that benefits Buell, and they're fortunate enough to win, the icing will not be on the cake in my opinion. I'd also consider it a little corny for any manufacturer to claim they've won 'the' Daytona 200 when in reality it's not what I see as a horse race but a donkey race. The reference is not toward the machines or riders. It is toward the LEVEL of racing.
As for your racing, do me a favour. You're a three season rookie with a mid life hobby so I'd appreciate you not making out you're some kind of leading authority on motorcycle racing just because you can pleasure yourself on a few race tracks.
Frankly your attempts to belittle and deride Buell for any racing effort they might support simply don't belong on this board. Take that to your own discussion board www.seansworldofshit.com and see how it fares. No one wants to hear your petty belittling of Buell here.
I've aired my personal opinions. Something you don't like no matter what subject. Those opinions don't belittle or deride Buell at all. They simply offer up some disappointment from an old fan of the marque, and one who spent into the product, perhaps expecting more in return rather than just the motorcycle. Maybe I'm here for those reasons too. In any case, if you'd wanted a closed shop where only positive opinions are welcome you should have said so years ago. The way I see it, you'd be running a small and boring web site for a few Buell anoraks seeking breather pipe information if you'd have gone that way back then. You just want your cake and eat it. Oh yeah, your link doesn't work either.
Come see and breath it? Note photo to left. That would be me, racing a Buell motorcycle. No chrome frame, no blown-up engine. Just me and a simple old Buell Cyclone putting down a thousand plus miles worth of laps at the track.
I was referring to you coming to watch BSB with your own eyes. Something I fear would give you wood if only you were man enough to admit it.
It's a nickel plated frame actually and I got the idea from copying the Rickman racers of years ago. The idea fit well with Buell I thought, seeing as Buell's were spawned from Spondon built nickel plated framed Sparton's and Barton's. As for my S1W's motor, it's not blown-up as you so kindly put it. It's tore down, but it's ready to put together right now thanks very much. Nice insult though.
How many races have you run there Sean?
Oh I can't pretend like you to be a track veteran. I'm just mean on the streets. That's where you need a lot more bottle. Sadly, road ragers like me are a dying breed, literally, but I much prefer the level of skill and concentration required to get from my town to Whitby with my tyres on fire rather than circumnavigating a race track to boost my ego.
I've just grown more and more sick and tired of your negativism here. Either change that attitude or take a hike. If you think that this should be a forum where should be free to belittle Buell, berate America and bash our President, you are sorely mistaken. Suggest you accept that or leave.
I've grown sick of yours too, but it strikes me you're always well up for a good argument, suggesting you must enjoy it. The efforts you go to to put up thorough replies and responses are sometimes unbelievable. I often take them as bait. Why shouldn't I when that's clearly your hidden agenda? I bet secretly you miss your 'war thread'. You know Blake, if I pain you that much why don't you try changing instead to accommodate me, or you know, you can always take a hike? No, that's unfair. You take a holiday is better, seeing as it's ultimately your fireplace? Take some time out eh? It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.
As for berating Buell, like anyone or anything, if it's in there as conversation and it's pertinent to the topic, and justified in someone's opinion, then I or anyone else should be entitled to their opinions, even if they're considered by you to be negative, as long as they stay within the rules eh. Isn't this another reason you've appointed more moderators of late, or are they all simply your puppets following your ideals?
As for America, and your president, man I'd like a dollar for every time Britain and the anti war or anti Blair crowd gets a bashing around here.
Quit being so sensitive.
This isn't a nanny Buell board, it's the great BadWeB world famous for being the biggest voice in biking, not just Buelling.
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Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 09:03 pm: |
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Blake, being thorough as you are, you did the math, right?
With three rounds to go Corser (Aprilia) was 254 to Edwards (Honda) 281, a 27 point deficit.
That's a race win and 2 points with three rounds, six races, or 150 points to play for.
I guess if that was you out there on a Buell, you'd call it close. Me, I'd call you lucky, but it wasn't, it was an Aprilia and they don't come much closer between manufacturers at that level.
Go back one more round and it was a little closer by 6 points. 244 Corser, Edwards 265, but Corser had two out of eight races DNF, where as Edwards had none. Edwards closed the season strong in the last three rounds, but counting the last four rounds he took 135 points out of a possible 200 whilst Corser managed only 66 points. That's where the championship was won, or lost, depending on where you're standing.
Jose's entirely right though as you yourself can see. Aprilia were close enough to win the championship.
Please stop participating here if all you seek to do is deride and berate anything other than Buells.
Rocket |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 09:13 pm: |
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"HRC knew what might be coming. They simply made provisions early, which is what Honda have always been very good at."
Says you. Doesn't look likely to me. BTW the fact that the Daytona 200 is now being run for the Formula Xtreme takes NOTHING away from the AMA SB championship. Superbike remains the pre-eminent class in AMA. However for any rider and machine to win a 200 mile race at Daytona is a HUGE achievement. You attempts to belittle that achievement are tiresome and unwelcome here.
For someone so concerned with racing class prestige you sure take a dim view of club racing. How exactly does it boost my ego to do track days and a few races? I happen to enjoy it very much. Try again, and try not to be so petty. And also, be careful taking YOUR giant ego to the road, it ain't safe. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 10:28 pm: |
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Dave,
AMA SB versus BSB? Are you kidding me? AMA SB riders would wipe the track with the BSB riders.
Blake, not bloody likely. The AMA series is very good but than os is the British series. It has been a while since an American has really been at the forefront of either WSB or BSB. Haydon, Whom I think has great potential, has arguabkley the best bike and the best team in GP and struggles for 4th, is excited with 3rd. He seems to be teh best rider out of AMA in a while and he can't shine Rossi's boots at this stage, maybe in two more years.
As far as Brits in the WSB wasn't there a guy, Fog something, won a race or two, may have been fast once in a while? Wasn't he British? Or was he born in Texas?
I am cheering for Buell in the 200, Erik has wanted to race there for decades so it cool he gets a shot BUT it is a step down for it to be FX bikes.
The 200 is slowly slipping in prestige and has been for years. Part of it is that the track is considered too dangerous and part is the AMA not doing a good job of running it. |
Josι_quiρones
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 10:32 pm: |
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quote:AMA SB versus BSB? Are you kidding me?
Well, according to this Honda Press release:
quote:Honda Racing has confirmed its team line-up for the 2005 British Superbike Championship with an increased entry for the worlds leading domestic series
btw, I said Corser led the championship in 2000, it was actually in 2001, when he won the first two races of the season. He ended that season in 4th place.
Comparing what Aprilia did in its first three years in WBSK to what HD did with their VR for the seven years that they raced it makes Aprilia's achievements all the more impressive, or makes HD's results look pathetic, take your pick. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 10:57 pm: |
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Blake oh Blake, your ridiculous comments wrt BSB, and your incorrect analysis of the Aprilia WSB effort show you're just trolling. Let it go before you make yourself look more stupid. Please.
"Says you", like you know anymore than I do? Anyone can read the internet or a magazine, and quote them. I don't pretend to know what goes on behind the scenes at HRC or anywhere else, but that's mostly the point of every fcuking argument I or anyone else has with you. You always claim to know.
Why is it...............
you know the inside of American motorcycle racing better than the insiders.
you know what goes on with Buell more than Buell does himself.
you know more about your presidents best intentions than perhaps he does.
you know more about the military agenda in Iraq than anyone else I've ever spoke to.
you know more about the US oil stocks than anyone else.
you know more about the Taleban and Afghanistan than anyone else.
you know the best media sources.
you know............
In fact, in the great scheme of things you know relatively fcuk all, just like I do, which is why it's always great debating with you. You can't prove a damn thing, no more than I can.
As for my giant ego, please explain why it's dangerous to take it to the road?
A middle aged three season rookie hobby racer gets to lecture me on how I should behave on a motorcycle? Suddenly, because you're a track junkie you get elevated to the world of wisdom on things two wheeled? Gimme a break. I've never bought that one, sorry. The track makes you serious, sounds like a great reason not to get involved.
Oh when I think about it, how irresponsible. I've ridden whilst stoned out of my head. Several splifs to the wind. Lovely! Have you? Jeez, I remember one fine day many years ago riding my 550/4 whilst sampling some of mother natures finest psilocybin. The cacophony of that 4 into 1 Micron and the bellowing from my tummy, laugh, I nearly cried. A truly magical motorcycling moment. Have you? I guess not eh. I guess that means I'm the better two wheeled pilot. No racer, not even little Val could claim such skills could he. See Blake, there's many ways to enlightenment, it just seems to me that yours are all conformist, square and narrow minded. One things for sure though. You're lucky to have a cat like me around with my experience. It's a balance thing, that's all. Don't work to hard to spoil it.
And finally......
Trust in your ego. It's nothing to be ashamed of, and it's always worked for me. In fact, it's kept me alive. Yeah baby, alive.
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Blake
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Dave,
Quick, name the top three BSB riders of '04. Were any of them prior MotoGP riders? The two top AMA SB riders were and another was a WSB rider. No American has won WSB recently??? Colin Edwards in '00 and '02?
It's "Hayden"... "Nicky Hayden". The kid is very young. If he stays healthy, he'll make it to the top, I guarantee it. So will Colin Edwards. Please remind me, which BSB rider was running competitively in Moto GP this year.
If Hopkins had a bike, he'd be running up towards the front. No doubt.
JQ,
The topic of discussion was relative merit of Buell racing in FX versus the lackluster performance of other much larger motocycle manufacturers. Try to stay on topic. For God's sake, HD builds air cooled cruisers. Who the hell ever really expected them to take the superbike series by storm? Wishful thinking maybe, but let's be practical, it wasn't going to happen. But hey, never miss a chance to deride HD/Buell eh?
You crack me up, digging up some obscure quote from HRC. Do you think HRC would characterize AMA as a domestic series? We have riders from all over the world. Try again.
Sean,
Why is it any discussion at all with you turns into a hateful personal attack? Please seek help. |
U4euh
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 11:47 pm: |
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Yeeee-oowwwwwwccchhhhh! |
Xb9er
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 12:04 am: |
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Rocketman, I still think I can control my bike quite easily through a corner using my inside hand, but I read that last post and you are an "OK" guy (as I have always thought). Thanks for putting a smile on my face, and no doubt many others, over here in the U.S. Mike.
Now, resume the debate! |
Paulinoz
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 12:36 am: |
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You all have missed the most important point in all this Moto GP,WSB,BSB,AMA,World Super Sport etc talk.
Which country with less than 1/12 of the Population of the US or GB. No sponsor money to talk of and in the scheme of things a bike market that would not bee noticed if droped of the planet tommorow. Has supplied some of the most talented riders in the past decade.
Mick Doohan 500cc GP - 5 times world champion
1998 wins world 500cc GP championship
1997 wins world 500cc GP championship
1996 wins world 500cc GP championship
1995 wins world 500cc GP championship
1994 wins world 500cc GP championship
Troy Bayliss - MotoGP ; 2000 World Superbike Champion
2004-2003 MotoGP
Darryl Beattie - 3 500cc GP wins; 14 podium finish
1997 - retires from racing due to injury
1995 - 500cc GP championship runner-up
1992 - 500cc GP debut
Troy Corser - World Superbikes ; 1996 World Superbike Champion
2004-1999 World Superbikes, Foggy Racing team - Petronas Sauber bike
Anthony Gobert US Superbikes
2003 US Superbike with Ducati
2002 US Superbike with Yamaha USA
2001 US Superbike and Supersport(600) with Yamaha USA
2000 World Superbikes, Bimota; 500cc GP(Modenas)
1999 US Superbikes (3rd overall) ; 500cc GP(MuZ)
1994 wild card entry World Superbikes at Phillip Island and wins both races.
Peter Goddard - US AMA Superbike Championship
2001 AMA Superbikes, Ducati
2000 British Superbike, Kawasaki UK; switch to World Superbikes Kawasaki
1999 World Superbikes, Aprilia
1997 World Endurance Champion
Garry McCoy - World Superbike , 3 MotoGP wins
2004 - world superbike championship, Ducati
Steve Martin - World Superbikes
2004 World Superbike championship, Ducati
2003 World Superbike championship debut, private Ducati team
2002 World Superbike championship debut, private Ducati team
2001 World Superbike championship debut, private Ducati team
2000 British Superbikes, Honda
1999 500cc GP; wins Autralian Superbike Championship with Ducati
Mathew Mladin - US AMA Superbike Champion (2003, 2001, 2000, 1999)
2003 wins 4th AMA championship, Suzuki
2002 AMA championship, Suzuki
2001 wins 3rd consecutive AMA championship, Suzuki; wins Daytona
2000 wins 2nd consecutive AMA championship, Suzuki; wins Daytona
1999 wins US Superbike Championship
1992 wins Australian Superbike championship
Broc Parkes - World Supersport Championship
2004 World Supersport championship, Honda
2003 World Supersport championship, Honda
2001 World Superbike championship,
2001 World Superbike championship, Ducati - youngest full time rider in 2001 season; managed by Wayne Gardner
1999 wins Australian 250 Production series
Andrew Pitt (DOB 19.2.76)
2003 MotoGP, factory Kawasaki
2002 World Supersport, Kawasaki
2001 wins World Supersport Championship, Factory Kawasaki team
2000 World Supersports, Factory Kawasaki; finished 10th
1999 wins Australian Supersport championship, Kawasaki
1999 runner-up Australian Superbikes
Casey Stoner
2004 - World 125cc Grand Prix, factory KTM
2003 - World 125cc Grand Prix, factory Aprilia; maiden GP win - Valencia GP
2002 - World 250cc Grand Prix, factory Aprilia
2002 - World 250cc Grand Prix, factory Aprilia
2001 - British 125cc Championship, Honda
2000 - wins Aprilia Challenge
Chris Vermeulen World Supersport champion - 2003
2004 World Superbike Championship, Honda
2003 World Supersport Champion; Ten Kate Honda team; maiden win at Phillip Island Australia; youngest rider to win world supersport race (age 20); youngest rider to win Supersport title (age 21)
Anthony West (DOB 17/7/81) 250cc GP
2003 250cc GP, Aprilia
2001 500cc GP, Honda V twin
2000 250cc GP, Shell Advance HondAge19a team (owned by M Doohan); finish 4th overall
1999 250cc GP, Shell Advance Honda, 12th overall
1998 wins Australian 250cc production class
There are many more that could be mentioned but I do not want to appear to be bragging about Australia to much.
Sean and Blake the question should not be who has the best Racing, teams or tracks but how do you keep them Australians from taking all your Silverware home. |
Sandblast
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 01:09 am: |
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Good point Mr. Paul, now go rope a Kangaroo or wrestle a Crocodile or something . Just teasing- a racer here (I think it was Mladin but might be wrong)recently said that if it was not for the Australians and Canadians there would be no motorcycle racing in America. Pretty funny. He got scalded in the press for it though. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 01:12 am: |
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We are happy to give 'em all the Silverware they earn, whatever that means.
You are bragging about Anthony Gobert?
Good grief, what did you do, list every Aussie that has competed in motorcycle racing in the last 5 years? LOL!
Oz has 1/12th the population of Britain?
How about that Italy. They have a claim to fame right now eh? |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 01:19 am: |
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The Aussies sure do have a disproportionate number of world class racers though. Baylis and Mladin are two of my favorites. |
Paulinoz
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 01:31 am: |
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We are happy to give 'em all the Silverware they earn, whatever that means.
Trophies forgot this was going to be read by a Texan 
Good grief, what did you do, list every Aussie that has competed in motorcycle racing in the last 5 years? LOL!
No left out the Motocross guys, ISDE, Endurance racers and a bunch more but tried to get a cross section of guys who have placed in events in the US or UK.
Oz has 1/12th the population of Britain?
- England 49,855,700 (83.7 per cent of the total UK population)
- Scotland 5,057,400 (8.5 per cent)
- Wales 2,938,000 (4.9 per cent)
- Northern Ireland 1,702,600 (2.9 per cent)
OK 1/3 of the UK I will give you that one.
How about that Italy. They have a claim to fame right now eh?
No doubting VR's ability but they also lay claim to Max so that must be some points against Italy as well.
Whats the problem with A Gobert |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 02:05 am: |
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Extremely gifted moto racer but also a devout doper/boozer who couldn't kick the habit. One of the biggest wastes of talent I've seen. Was busted and had one too many DWI's. Lost his ride with Ducati; lost his ride with Yamaha; lost his ride with Ducati again. Went home. His two brothers still here and doing well.
Italy has Biagi and Capirossi. What's wrong with Biagi? |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 08:32 am: |
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Whatever.
I'm going to Daytona.
Court
P.S. - Dave, let me know if you need a place to stay.
(Message edited by court on November 25, 2004) |
Crusty
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 08:54 am: |
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Since you guys want to hijack my thread and turn it into a pissing contest, I guess I might as well jump in.
Anthony Gobert lost his ride with Honda last year when he was busted for DUI, not Ducati.
What's wrong with Biaggi? He looks like a caricature.
Where would America be without the Brits? Right where we are. We threw the Brits out in 1776. I think we've done all right since then.
Where would Britain be without the USA? I think the lend/lease act helped pull your chestnuts out of the fire back during the Big One.
Daytona is the premier race in this country. Back in the mid '80s, the 200 was changed from being a Formula 750 (A.K.A. Yamaha TZ/OW 750) race to a Superbike race. More spectators showed up, and there was more Factory involvement. It also sounded a whole lot better than those cackling, whiney two strokes. the next year, the AMA made the Superbike class the Premier class and relegated F 750 to being a support class. A few short years later, the FIM decided that maybe the Americans had something after all and came up with their own Superbike series. Of course, they made a few changes, like the two race format, and some technical differences which meant that the bikes in the two series weren't easily interchangeable. WSB took off and was pulling in more spectators than the GP bikes. It was becoming the premier class of motorcycle racing. This led to a revision of the GP rules to make the races more appealing to spectators.
Now Daytona has changed the premier class to Formula Extreme because of safety concerns. How long will it be before FX becomes the premier class, and Superbikes are a support class with a short life expectancy? I bet that when it takes off and becomes a successful premier series, the FIM will "invent" a similar series that will become as successful as WSB was. Hopefully, they won't totally screw it up with a spec tire rule. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 12:25 pm: |
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Court, I'm goin' to Daytona and I do need a place to stay.
Should be great fun. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 12:52 pm: |
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like i'd said, i should be living a few minutes from laguna seca soon, so ping me when the time comes, y'all. |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 05:17 pm: |
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Dave:
Will call tomorrow to arrange roomatedness. Standard rules apply 
Tramp, if you can arrange it, on the way to Laguna Seca, Daytona would be an excellent place to stop enroute if you are a Buell fan. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 07:31 pm: |
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Sean,
Why is it any discussion at all with you turns into a hateful personal attack?
I've told you before about that HATE word. Quit using it where I'm concerned please.
Of recent, my eggs been dropping. In any case Blake, you give as good as you get and you are just as likely to provoke as I am.
There's several personal insults from you just a few lines above that you've directed at me.
Chrome frame? Man that hurt. I cried myself to sleep last night. I can't tell you how upset the Buell was when I opened the workshop door this morning. He was in bits! It was that bad the 916 was cuddling up to him and the Katana 50 scoot was shedding tears of petrol all over the workshop floor.
Blake, have you watched a season of BSB, ever? Perhaps just a season review? If not, speak up brown - you're through, I'll send you one.
Mike....
Rocket |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 09:56 pm: |
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thanks court. i get on rt. 80 and head kinda straight-like. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 10:11 pm: |
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Court we are heading our tomorrow about 9 am for the regional Irish Dance championships witht he 8 year in tow. Hoping she can finish in the top half of at least one of the dances she is in. Will be fun, Irish music, dancing a afair amount of Guinness. |
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