| Author | Message | ||
     Spike  |
I might be opening a can of worms here, but has anyone found a downside to the new techlusion box? How many of you are running it on an XB12? The factory race ECM has left a bad taste in my mouth and now I'm extra cautious about fuel control. Mike L. '04 XB12R | ||
| Tatsu |
I'll let you know Spike as soon as my unit gets here. I'll be putting one on a XB12R,with a Drummer, Race ECM,Race filter and "holed" box mod. (Message edited by tatsu on November 23, 2004) | ||
| Odie  |
Spike, I just installed one on my 12S sunday and I'm having some idle/lowspeed problem but I just changed to Pro-series plugs and I don't think my bike likes them. It starts right up but stalls after about 5 seconds and then runs real crappy. I'm swapping them out tomorrow for the stock ones (which looked great) and some Accel 300+ plug wires and see if this helps. Midrange is awesome and I'm working on smoothing out the top end right now. Really need a dyno and some A/F ratio info to get it spot on. I'll let you know when things change...Odie | ||
| Reepicheep  |
Thanks for the update Odie, let us know what you find out! | ||
| Darthane  |
Odie, are you sure they're gapped correctly? Mine were nowhere closer out of the box, but my bike runs just fine with the Pro-Series plugs. I'll be swapping them for some good NGKs this winter, but that's due to a 'it's time' thing rather than any problems. | ||
| Stealthxb  |
My Pro-Series are running fine too Odie. And you and I are running the same mods...for that I give thanks!  | ||
| Odie |
Yea, gap is correct. Plug wires are on good. Gonna work on it in a few hours so I'll let you know how the plug wires and old plugs work out...Odie | ||
| Gentleman_jon  |
Odie, where did you put the Techlusion box? Having seen the way you did your tail piece, I would love to see a photo of your installation. | ||
| Odie |
Gent Jon, I put it on the left side of the battery for now. Eventually I think it will go under the outer airbox cover. I still working out some bugs right now. It doesn't want to idle for anything. Starts right up and then sputters, then dies after about 4-5 seconds then starts right back up again. Put in the old plugs and new wires and still does the same thing. Unplugging the Box tomorrow to see if that fixes it. I've checked all the connections three times, gas is fresh and full, plug gap is good, 2 different sets of wires, 2 different sets of plugs, air filter on or off doesn't matter. I've went the range of the #1 pot and it effects the idle very little but it is adding gas as I crank the pot because it will get too much gas when I whack the throttle open from idle and want to stumble. I don't know. Disconnection and reconnection tomorrow.....Odie | ||
| Darthane |
Did you somehow get your TPS outta whack? Sounds exactly like my bike when I put the race ECM in before I got the TPS reset. | ||
| Barkandbite |
Odie: I left all the settings completely stock and it runs like a scalded cat. I would suggest unplugging it and seeing if you've got the same problem (as I believe you're going to do.) Also, make sure the battery connections are solid. Sure doesn't seem right. Chris | ||
| Rsh |
I read this article awhile back about some guy racing an XB9R in the Canadian Thunder Series, he did some mod's to his bike and used a Techlusion controller to compensate for the mod's and initially found the controller pot's did not provide enough adjustment range to control the lean condition he was experiencing, the story mentions Techlusion offers another e-prom that doubles the adjustment range of the pot's. Here is a link to the story scroll about halfway down. http://www.cmgonline.com/racing/TeamCMG/RaceDiaries2002/part3/index.html | ||
| Odie |
B&B, battery connections are solid. I am going to disconnect it entirely tomorrow after chow and see what happens. I'm very happy with the ease of installation and the mid-range. It pulls alot stronger in the mid 3-5000 range. Top end I'm still tweaking. Idle is the only area where I'm having problems. Darthane- I did disconnect and then reconnect the TPS harness but that shouldn't have affected anything. Rsh, thanks for the link. I wouldn't think that I would need anything more than the standard flash on mine. I would say that the problem is somewhere in my bike as no one else is having problems like this. We'll see....thanks all....Odie | ||
| Ingemar  |
Odie, You got the technoresearch goodie? I would disconnect the tfi and reset both the tps and afv, go for a learning ride and, if all is well, reinstall the tfi. | ||
| Slaughter  |
I got a call from a frustrated XB9R owner referred to me by one of our BRAG members (because he thought I might be able to help him) - yeah RIIIiiiight... Here's his problem: XB9 with the 1050 kit. Stage 3 heads, 585 cams, Force Pipe (Misato, he should be reading Badweb) He put on the race module PLUS a PowerCommander (everything I have seen says that the PC on the XB's ECM is a no-no). He told me it just barely runs regardless of how he sets it up. (says he did get the TPS re-set done when he got the race ECM) My thought was that he ought to take the PC out of the loop, go to the stock race module and take it out for a "seat of the pants" dyno run on a road somewhere where he has some open space. Try a couple 4th or 5th gear roll-ons at mid-rpm... not FULL THROTTLE but maybe 80% (the WOT settings are a completely different map) - and try to "feel" if it seems right. IF it feels right, toss it on the dyno with a sniffer to make sure it's not too lean... but IF it shows lean on the sniffer THEN get a Techlusion box. My question for you folks with some time now on your Techlusion boxes is - can you pretty much hit the ground running using some of the recommendations for settings from Techlusion? He's spent TONS of hard earned cash on dyno time and still doesn't have a rideable bike (though I don't know where he got the recommendation to use the PC AND the race ECM) He doesn't cruise any of the boards - when I asked him if he checks Badweb, all I got was "huh?" over the phone so... I thought I'd do some legwork before his wife files for divorce on the grounds of his insanity. (Message edited by slaughter on November 25, 2004) | ||
| Slaughter |
OK - another question here: In doing a little more legwork, looks like he should ditch his race module and go back to stock module if his Buell race module still gives him a lean mixture in mid/high rpm range? I gotta call him back today to see if he even has a computer!!! He needs to register here but in the meanwhile, I'll try getting him some inspiration before his wife starts fitting him for his straitjacket. | ||
| Odie |
Slaughter, it seems no one is really having any issues but me. It was plug and play and started right up but the idle was rough and continues to be. Mid range is absolutely super though. After dinner today I'm going to mess with it and see what I can find out.....Odie | ||
| Oconnor  |
My 9r had that same problem odie for the first 3 or 4000 miles. Stock. (k&n only) Wouldn't want to start,or idle when it did start. Never did figure it out. It eventually just went away. I am at 15000 now. Not that this helps, but don't get too distressed if you can't find anything specific. It could be the ecu getting antsy... | ||
| Barkandbite |
Slaughter -- As I mentioned, I used the bone stock recommended settings in the installation "manual" and the bike runs like a scalded cat. This is *with* the Race ECM. No idle problems at all. Stock plugs.... Just for reference: 03 XB9R, stock engine, de-snorkeled, Race kit (ECM, K&N, muffler) and 12 airbox. Chris | ||
| Ortegakid  |
Slaughter, Mine is as Barkandbites,runs perfect,I would suggest the tech box immediately, and call Dobeck for his recomendations, they are the best! | ||
| Slaughter |
Thanks folks... I'll give him a call as soon as the turkey and dessert/sugar hangover wears off I appreciate the responses. From all I've heard and read, I don't know why he'd have the Powercommander in the loop on an XB. Seems to be no indication that it's the right choice and may well be a big part of the problem. | ||
| Odie |
All- figured out the problem and things should be good now. This is what I did- Front cylinder injector- connect the Red and Green wired Tech Box connector to the injector then attached Gray and Yellow wired bike wiring harness connector to the Tech Box connector a little upstream from the injector. Rear cylinder injector- connect the Red and White wired Tech Box connector to the injector then attach the Grey and Green wired bike harness connector (should have a tag that says "rear injector"  to the Tech Box connector a little upstream from the injector. O2 sensor- mine came pinned wrong but just depinned the connectors and put them back together the right way. This has happened to people before. You should have the Tan sensor connector from the Tech box going to the black wired sensor connector (this comes directly from the sensor itself). The Red wired connector coming from the Tech Box should go the Purple wired connector that comes from the bikes wiring harness. The lights in the box are working as advertised and it starts right up, idles and winds up great now. I don't think it likes too much off of "off" on the yellow, or #2 pot. Haven't rode it yet but will later today and post results. I think this has fixed the problem....Later, Odie | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Nice going Odie:-) But as the philosopher has observed, a picture is worth an thousand words. Dare we hope you might favor us with a photographic record of your excellent labors? | ||
| Odie |
Gent_Jon, will do later today after I take it for a spin. I will also post settings that are working for me at the time and a list of bike mod's I'm running. It's about 37 degrees here now so I'm sure some settings will have to be tweaked a little for warmer climates. Hopefully this is it! Later....Odie | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
Odie, When I got my unit, George from Techlusion told me it doesn't matter which connector is used for the front injector or rear rejector. So I'm curious to know if the instruction now says to connect Red/Green to the front and Red/White to the rear injector. | ||
| Odie |
Dcmortalcoil, instructions don't specify what goes where color-wise but, unless there was a connection issue as far as looseness/bad contact, then it does make a difference. At least on mine it did. I'm sure George knows what works where but I took it off first and it ran fine. Then I reconnected it, swapping the front and rear cylinder connectors and it fired right up and runs great now. The lights are even working as advertised. May have been a loose connection on my part but I connected and reconnected everything 3 times before I took it off......don'tknow but happy it is working properly now. Going for a ride in a few hours and will let ya'll know what happens....Later...Odie | ||
| Barkandbite |
Odie: Must've been a bad connection because I have mine on the way you originally describe and it's worked perfectly for me. George had mentioned it didn't matter. Ah well, doesn't matter. What does matter is that you're up and runnin'! Let us know what you think. Chris | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
Anyone check the rear fuel injection connector? BTW, mine is already connected as Odie described it. I'm noticing a slight melting of the connector and the wires. I'm going to wrap it with some rubber sealing tape and with aluminum (reflecting) tape to fix this problem. | ||
| Odie |
What a difference switching a few wires made! Throttle response is alot smoother, mid-range is MUCH, MUCH stronger and top feels better but it was dark out and tons of shoppers out and about so it will have to wait for daylight. Made a big change in the mid-range by far. Very happy with the box. Need to get some dyno time and get it just right but so far I would say everyone needs one of these! The settings I'm running are- GREEN- 2 YELLOW- 4 RED-3:30 RPM- 7 My bike is a 12S with a K&N, cut away airbox, snorkle removed, stock plugs (I'll try the Pro-series again now), and a Special O.P.S. pipe. Runs much better, and I'm sure with a little time and fine tuning it will get even better. Everyone needs to put this on their Christmas list now!!!! Later......Odie | ||
| Barkandbite |
Woot! Told ya! Best money I've spent on my bike by far! Glad you got it all sorted! Chris P.S. Does O.P.S. stand for "Odie Pipe Special?" |
