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Motomadman
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 10:06 pm: |
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I just traded a better-then-new YZ450F (motocross) bike for this Buell S1W. (Pics & links to higher res pics below) I wasn't looking to get a street bike, but the opportunity came along ... and I really had no choice ... the bike put me under it's spell Since this potential trade came along, I've been researching Buells as much as I can and have learned a great deal from this site. In fact, most everything I know about this bike came from my original post on this site. Thanks a lot guys!!! The bike was traded to me as a S1, you guys pointed out to me it's really a S1W. I combed through the owners/service manuals but they never mention how to tell the bikes apart. The VIN is 4MZYS56JXW3230111, from another post the 'Y' in the vin indicates it's a S1W ... and the heads are black, so I'm pretty sure it's a S1 White Lightning ... with Thunderstorm heads. I'm gett'n with the lingo and I like it!! The bike has only 7k miles and had it's 5k check at a dealer. I'll be turning my own wrench and look forward to getting intimate with the bike. I'm sure I'll have a gazillion questions and probably a few dumb posts. First off (dumb question #1), there's no way I'm getting a stand under that thing. I'm used to elevating my bikes on a stand to un-load the suspension when not in use. Is that an issue for any of you? I saw the "Service Manual - '96/'97 S1 Lightning" in the Knowledge Vault. Is this applicable to my '98 as well? I'm also really curious what type of people ride Buells? It's like part Harley Davidson and part crotch-rocket. Two crowds I don't see mingling much. Is this like coffee shop material or am I better off hitting skanky bars now? Where will I fit in?
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Tank_bueller
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 10:23 pm: |
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Wow, Nice lookin' bike!!!!!! Sorry, dont know much about the S1, but it looks great!! |
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Tripper
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 10:45 pm: |
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That is definately an S1W - White Lightning, and one of the very rare non-white ones. Extra rare with the Nuclear Blue frame. Correcto on the Thunderstorm heads. 98 was the first year for these heads and the S1W was the only S1 to have them equipped from the factory. HEY JOSH - how many were there? You are going to have so much fun.
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Doughnut
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 10:54 pm: |
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Aren't Buells grande? enjoy it! Once you have a Buell, other bikes seem to be missing that "something special". |
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Glitch
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 11:10 pm: |
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That's the bike I lust for! A friend of mine has a white one. Killer bike! |
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Stealthxb
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 11:25 pm: |
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Wow is right...that's a bad @ss bike! |
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Timbo
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 11:36 pm: |
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Congrats on the new bike! Great find, and you came out way ahead in that trade. IMHO. If you haven't found it already, check out the knowledge vault if you have questions about maintinence/hop-ups. Lots of great stuff in there, but feel free to ask if you can't find what you need. No one that I know of un-wieghts their suspension. It shouldn't be an issue really. Enjoy! Timbo |
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Kcbill
| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 11:50 pm: |
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You will find that you don't fit in any where. Your the mystery to every one now. You will find the bike will bring conversation where ever you go. Don't let the recall stuff worry you either. It was hyped worse than it really was. I love the black with the blue frame. |
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Tripper
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| Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 11:59 pm: |
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You don' fit in anywhere, but you can go everywhere. Everyone is curious about these bikes. |
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Sgtbuell
| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 12:09 am: |
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Very nice. You are going to have way to much fun riding that bike. It does not matter if you fit in with any one or not. The important thing is you are going to have a great time riding and no one else will be able to figure out why. |
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Steve_mackay
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 01:12 am: |
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NICE S1W! Hi, my name is Steve... I am a Buell Addict, and this is our story. ------------------------------------------------------ It started simply, oh so innocent, it was just a 2000 Buell Blast. $1899 with 3K on it. So Harmless, right? I knew I could stop at any time. So May 2004, we started this addiction! But when the Burgandy S3T came up, I knew I had to have it, and that was it, that's ALL our 10x12 shed could handle. Sold my 1979 Sportster, and bought the S3T for $4250, with 9,500mi on it. Race kitted and all... All was good, the addiction was satisfied. That is, until another S3T reared it's head on ebay, with a $3200 buy it now, with 6K on the clock. OH GOD WHY!!! WHY are they tempting us! We had to have it, so a trip up to baraboo, and $3200 parted our hands, and rode home a nice black '98 S3T. Okay i said, that's IT! We can stop now. With support from friends and family, we figured, just 3 Buells, that's GOOD ENOUGH. But NOOOO!! Some dirty bastages placed a 2003 XB9R up on ebay, with yet another $3200 buy it now. This time, the bike was a salvage job, but looked to be an easy fix. So a 30 hour road trip down to Alabama and back, and a $150 in parts, we had another addition to the addiction. CURSE YOU EBAY!!! We figured, yup, that's all we *REALLY* need. But NOOO! Up comes a post from RacerX1(Wes), selling an S1, and an X1 race bike combo. We HAD to have bikes for track days, right? Wouldn't want to screw up our perfectly good street bikes for that. Or so we convinced ourselves... This is IT! I Promised myself... I'll not mention the gorgeous '00 X1 I looked at, and longed for at Uke's on the way home from bringing the race bikes home. I really hope this shows the new Buellers, that possible addiction buying your first Buell can cause. Stay tuned for the on-going sequel to "The Buell Addiction"
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Motomadman
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 02:23 am: |
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Ah Hah! - I found the VIN info in the manual
4MZYS56JXW3230111 => It's a S1W California model ![](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/biggrin2.gif) |
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Firebolt020283
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 04:35 am: |
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congrats on the bike its definatly a nice bike. love the color too. and like every one eles said we fall in to a class all to our own (many of us like it that way). |
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Court
| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 07:33 am: |
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Yes. Your bike is a 1998 S1WL. There were 16 color combinations made. All were Buelltiful. Your bike is exactly as it was built (on June 1, 1998)with the exception of the dual seat that it left for California with on 6-2-98. You are going to love it.
Court |
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Firebolt020283
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 07:40 am: |
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"Your bike is exactly as it was built (on June 1, 1998)with the exception of the dual seat that it left for California with on 6-2-98. You are going to love it." court i think ur missing the v&h pipe, the different aircleaner, and the license plate relocator and back fender. |
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Newfie_buell
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 07:59 am: |
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Court, Where can I get that S1 Info? |
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Court
| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 08:01 am: |
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Absolutley, I'm sorry. I was just looking at the way it was configured, frame colors, wheels, wheel colors, etc. I developed a propensity for curiousity when one of our finest bought the "low milegage, hardly ridden Buell" from a dealer several years ago and asked me about the 500 mile break-in procedure. The story is long and funny.....remind me to tell you some day.
Thanks for the "heads up". Ride safe, Court |
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Bcordb3
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 09:37 am: |
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Your first bike night somewhere will tell you exactly where you belong. And that would be anywhere you want. You will find your bike will draw much more attention than most. Attention from believers and non-believers. I really like hearing the "yeah but" discussions from riders that have never ridden a Buell. |
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Sandblast
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 10:47 am: |
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I like riding with other sport bike riders of course, but I am always getting invited to go with the Harley guys too. They seem to like having a Buell in their group. I dont go very often because I have time constraints, but you'll see like people have said here- you can go anywhere, but you will always be different. |
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Road_thing
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 02:17 pm: |
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Moto--Excellent trade! rt |
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Cataract2
| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 02:22 pm: |
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I've found tons of people like to ask how I like the Buell. My answer of loving it with 1320 miles on it in just over 2 weeks seems to shock them. Oh, and also the no problems answer too. |
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M1combat
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 03:33 pm: |
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It's definitely Coffee shop material... Pull it right up to the front door and do a long smokey burn out on your way to a good bar . |
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Djkaplan
| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 03:42 pm: |
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This is the centerstand I use to elevate my Buell for maintanence. http://www.cyclelifts.com/buellcs.htm It lifts rear of the bike and you'll need a short bottle jack underneath the front shock mount to raise the front. You have to be extremely careful if you've elevated the bike with both wheels taken off and the tank is full (in my M2). The higher center of gravity makes the bike real "tippy" when it's on the stand. Other than that, the stand works really well and can easily be operated by one person. It's a must have item. |
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 04:24 pm: |
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Marc,Vallejo HD/Buell is a dedicated Buell dealership,supporting a roadrace team and backing my efforts at Bonneville for the last several years.Great people from top to bottom.Terry Parsley is their dyno tech and another Buell nut with an S-3 and a Blast he runs at Bonneville. And if you want to take a little ride we have a Buell enthusiasts group -A.S.B.N.- that meets every month at the Pizza Hut in san Leandro.If you come in dec(dec 6th) we are having our big anniversary bash.Its a bit far but I head down from Vacaville on days I am not at work.And there is always a bunch of Buellers at Sears Point for the Superbike races,come on down. |
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Bcordb3
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| Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 04:49 pm: |
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M1 - sometimes I think you are a sick puppy - correct me if I am wrong! |
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Reepicheep
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 08:53 am: |
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I have found that anyone who actually rides their motorcycle appreciates and welcomes the Buells. That has included folks on cruisers, tourers, sport bikes, BMW's, dual sports, etc. I have found the people that don't actually ride their motorcycles don't appreciate the Buells. This is generally (ironically) high end sport bike riders and expensive custom cruiser riders. Fortunately, as these people seldom actually spend much time on these bikes on the road, they are easy to avoid. Congrats on snapping up that S1. That is truely very special bike. I hope to score one myself someday, probably a decade from now, and rebuild it from the ground up, hopefully with my kids participating. I don't unload the suspension, no need to. When working on the bike, I throw a piece of rebar through the back axle, and support it on a pair of jackstands. Works very nicely. Since you don't know for sure the history of the bike, here is a list of comfortable saturday afternoon projects I would consider. 1) When you are approaching somewhere between 7k and 15k miles or so, and are ready for an oil change anyway, have a new oil pump gasket and some teflon tape on hand. Once you have drained the oil, drop the oil pump, it is not a very bad job. Look very carefully up into the engine case. A dental mirror helps, a digital camera with a good macro mode worked really well for me. Look at my profile pic to the left. If you see that, you need to replace it. A lot of parts have to come apart to do this, but it is not really a difficult job. Some bikes eat 'em, some don't. This $8 gear has prematurely destroyed many engines when it lets go. 2) Have a new primary cover gasket on hand (one of the new harley or cometic metal ones), and a new primary chain tensioner. Pull the primary cover, give everything in there a quick inspection, and slap in the new tensioner. If there is evidence of worn dogs (one pop in 2nd gear the first time you really whack the throttle). You are not far from being able to pull the transmission, and there is a detent plate retaining circlip in there that warrents inspection if you are going to pull the clutch pack anyway, but if things are running fine leave them alone, just replace the tensioner. The old one might not be broken, but many others have, and the replacement part is cheap (and has a backplate about twice as thick). When you button everything back up, put Mobil 1 Gear oil back in instead of sport trans. 3) Depending on when or if the rocker box leak hit the previous owner, the bike may or may not have the new metal gaskets. The metal gaskets seem to live forever, the original paper ones (in my experience) go at about 5k miles for the rear, about 9k miles for the front. Might as well replace both when the rear one goes, since the tools are all out anyway. If the previous owner can not tell you whats in there, I would probably just watch them carefully and wait for them to leak. That being said, if somebody told me they just bought the metal gasket kit and spent an afternoon pulling the rockerboxes and replacing the not yet leaking paper ones, I would probably think to myself "that's probably a good idea". It is exceptionally unusual for the stock paper gaskets to make it to 10k miles, and exceptionally unusual for the new metal ones to ever leak at all. I will let some S1 owners pitch in here, but on my Cyclone, the belt needed to be run "scary loose". I adjusted it so I could sit on the bike, reach down and pull the belt up to where it would just touch the bottom of the swingarm and just start to have tension. 4) This one is purely speculative, but there is a little cap on the end of the 5th gear drive assembly that sticks out the front belt sprocket. If you pull the sprocket cover (3 bolts) you could take a deck screw or something and pop that seal out. This would let you look for rust in there (it does not get good lubricant circulation). I would be inclined to flush that out with solvent like WD40 or something, then change the primary fluid. People smarter then me may say otherwise, and if so, listen to them, but I would be inclined to pack that hole thoroughly with a good assembly lube before putting on the new replacement seal cap ($2 or something). 5) Make sure the front exhaust mount has been upgraded to the new upside down Y part. It is a little pricey ($100 or something), but beats a sheared off exhaust header stud (believe me!). None of these jobs are urgent, and none are a really big deal. Had I done this stuff ahead of time, my tuber ownership experience would have been much less mechanically challenged. |
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 09:11 am: |
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You've gotten lots of good data here -- you're also lucky to have found it so early in your Buell experience -- the only info I'll echo is Reep's -- riders will be curious and adminring of your scoot, non-riders (specially 4-wheel gear heads and light aircraft freaks)will be very intrigued by the engineering, and non-riding motorcycle owners won't be at all interested -- the good news is, who cares? I'll betcha you won't as you'll be gulping yer coffee so fast you'll burn your tongue so you can get back to riding while not even within sight of my sunset years (in spite of being able to call Court, youngster!), I've found that I dig transitions more than straightline speed (though that could change if I ever get to B'ville), and nothing this side of a top fuel or MotoGP bike transitions better than a Buell also, every Buell I've ever seen has what Peter Egan calls the Garage Factor in spades! you won't getg tire of just sitting on a milk crate and looking at what those silly folks in South Central Wisconsin did! I think you'll find that you'll be able to keep up with any semi-rational riders on the street, as well as on more technical tracks -- if you, like many of us hear, ride the "Pace," you may have found your perfect motorcycle! have fun |
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M1combat
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 09:43 am: |
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Damn I wan't one of those... |
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Rick_a
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 01:02 pm: |
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Congrats. Some die hard Harley guys absolutely hate 'em, some like 'em but wouldn't want to be seen on one...opinions vary, greatly. People will always ask, many times it will be mistaken for something Italian... Mine is filthy, corroded, scraped up...streetfightered-out. Most people now ask what it is. I've had a lot of retired flat track riders tell me how much they'd love something like it...how it reminds them of the old days. You'll get a lot of people rubbernecking at traffic lights...and the kids especially love 'em. Still, after a few years, I can still look at it through my window and gaze upon it with awe. |
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Bluebuellxb9r
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 02:19 pm: |
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Moto, I feel your pain, i too am and addict. And to make things worse, it spread to my family. I got my 03 XB9r and ten my brother got a 03 XB9s, then my dad got a 01 X1, then i just picked up a 99S3T , where will it stop ?! Someone , help me ----![](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/biggrin3d.gif) |
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Motomadman
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 02:26 pm: |
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Thanks again for all the GOOD advice! I've got A LOT to learn and will be following-up an ALL your posts. I got my first ride in on the Buell yesterday. I did have one problem, but first my initial ride impressions: 1. Ride like there's a cop behind me ... 'cause I sure can't see anything behind me with those mirrors. 2. Lot's of vibration at idle and low RPM's. I need to stock up on lock-tite. 3. Great mid-range power, good roll-on throttle response. I haven't explored the upper RPM range yet. 4. Lot's of compression braking from the engine. 5. Don't touch the throttle when in a turn. 6. Hold on tight at high speeds, it's very windy. 7. The Seat becomes uncomfortable after an hour (I have Corbin seat). I did have one problem. Stopped at a friends to show him my new bike. Started it up and there was the whiring sound. The starter was not dis-engaging. We pulled the side-cover, pulled the starter and tore it apart. The selenoid was arcing and welding itself engaged. We cleaned the contacts, re-assembled and all is better now. |
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Bomber
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 02:33 pm: |
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mirrors -- good bar ends help a lot lock-tite, aye! with time, you'll learn how to muscle the little dear in a turn while adjusting the throttle, but you're first impression is accurate -- best if you can set your throttle at the turn in point, slightly accelerating to the apex, then pull the lnayard (can you say "shot from guns?" like the old Quacker dude?) bummer about the starter, but the goodf news is that it was a driveway fix with a rock and a nail! |
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Reepicheep
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 02:55 pm: |
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quote:We pulled the side-cover, pulled the starter and tore it apart. The solenoid was arcing and welding itself engaged. We cleaned the contacts, re-assembled and all is better now.
You are gonna fit right in here ![; )](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/winker.gif) |
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Road_thing
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 03:13 pm: |
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Yup, bar-ends are the way to go, I think. I turned some little aluminum bushings to replace the rubber plug-in thingies they came with. This came about after the owner of my local friendly indy shop took the S1 for a ride down I-10--he came back about 15 minutes later, all windblown and teary-eyed (this is a no-helmet kinda dude...)and made this pronouncement: "Man, those mirrors SUCK!! At 130, they just fold right back in the wind!!" rt |
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Motomadman
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 03:42 pm: |
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>Yup, bar-ends are the way to go Got any references or examples on what these guys look like? Probly a dumb question ... I'm a street bike newbie. I'm also wondering what oil is best? Manual says to use Harley oil (of course) or oil used for Diesel engines. I'm thinking Mobil 1 15w-50 or Chevron Delo400 ... What do you guys use? |
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Bomber
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 03:52 pm: |
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Mad -- good place to start your shopping list is American Sport Bike (great folks, great parts and accessories, and a badweb sponsor to boot!) lots of folks are using Mobile 1 15-50, or the same brand V-twin oil (20-50) -- oil tends to generate spirit discussions -- suffice it to say that regualr changing is likely more important that brand -- me, I use Mobile 1 15-50, and Mobile 1 75-90 in the primary/gearbox |
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Reepicheep
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 04:09 pm: |
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Mobile 1 15w50 is great, mobile 1 VTwin is probably a better base and better set of additives, is 20w50, and so is probably even better. Screaming Eagle Harley full synthetic is great as well, and about the same price as I see the Mobil 1 V Twin for. If I can find a full synthetic 20w50 for a good price, I will buy and use it, and change at about 3500 mile intervals. Otherwise, I get mobil 1 15w50. Both work great, and both will have most of their capacity intact at the end of 3k miles. Had napolean bar ends on my Cyclone, they were good, but as Thing points out, they take some fussing to get a rigid mount. Nothing major, but you will need to trim some rubber and putz around a little. If you want quick and cheap, go to any big mountian bike shop, and get the third eye bar end mirrors. Not nearly as well made as the napoleans (which on my cyclone survived two low sides with just scratches), but much cheaper as well, like $15 each, like a quarter of the price of the Napoleans. That's a lot of low sides. Either set will do MUCH better the stock, and the Napoleans are so much better that I could easily check my left hand blind spot in my right hand mirror, and vice versa. Here are my install instructions for the 9sx with some pictures: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=332735#POS T332735 |
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Tripp
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| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 05:41 pm: |
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here are some pics of the crg bar-end mirrors, i think i bought them from american sport bike, can't remember got them a few years ago
and they fold in, which i find useful cause i have thin driveway. |
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Sooner
| Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 07:12 pm: |
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Motomadman, Don't listen to these guys about the Bike. It is an awful bike, ugly too. Let me save you hours of heartache, and take it off your hands. I would be doing you a favor, really. Lol. Just thought I would give it a shot. The worst part about riding a Buell, is the sore face muscles from the continuous grin. It looks something like this. I live in Discovery Bay, Maybe I will see you around at some of the events. |
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