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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

so when i was wiring up my mini blinkers, i expected the rapid flashing when i tested the first one, something about less resistance, but then when i tested the second, a weird noise, no more flashing on any blinkers, and the LED on my gauges now doesn't come on, nor do the gauges sweep when the key is first turned on. Also, i don't think the neutral light or check engine light come on when the key is turned. Did i just blow a fuse, or really mess up?

thanks
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Hogs
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I`m NO electician as well...But sounds like that is the first place to check ( fuse,relay) also IF you had either the pos. or neg. cables off the battery you might want to check there for tightest not sure if u said u had power in other places...
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

[well, both headlights come on, the high beam indicator lights up, the fuel pump comes on when the switch is turned to 'on', i didn't disconnect the battery, but come to think of it, i don't think the odometer/clock came on
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well, i didn't disconnect the battery, the headlights come on, the high beam indicator lights up, and the fuel pump comes on when switch is in the 'on' position, but now that i think about it, i don't remember the odometer/clock coming on either....
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sorry for the double posting
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

check the fuses bud -- souinds like you've got a ground in the blinker that didn't work, or, rather, a ground where you don't want one
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Hogs
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Then pal thats why I bought a service manual to look through for times like
this ... Hopefully and I`m sure there is someone here with more knowedge on
these matters to walk you through it take me forever to figure out total
wire plms. but i`m 99% sure its fuse or relay and thinking more fuse than
relay just my guess Good luck
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Hogs
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah check all your poking around there within where you were doing your work...Might be a bad wire there now.. and a new fuse may blow right away or wait until you get to the bar downtown...
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

good point...
when i get home this evening the first thing i'll do is definitely go over the service manual, i just haven't had to troubleshoot any electrical problems yet, nor have have i even touched the fuse box on the bike. As for the wiring, they pretty much 'plug' into where the stock ones came out, with the help of some electrical tape for added support. My only concern, like you stated, is if i just replace a blown fuse, that it'll blow again
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Hogs
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well something must be going to Ground ...BAre wire somewhere unless you shorted something out yourself when poking at things etc.etc. give it a try and then go out and do a few wheelies ,burnouts, endos etc. etc. before going to BAR.. no really sometimes you`ll find the little @$&*$%@ thats giving ya the headaches..:-)
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Hogs
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

IF it was okay before you did your thing changes are that either directly or INDirectly( which could be harder to find) you did the damage so now fix it :-)
Always better to do your own wrenching anyways if at all possible...Highly Recomened.!!!!
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sometines stock t-sigs are self grounding through the mounting stud and frame, and sometimes aftermarket t-sigs need two wires

and the reverse -- I'm betting that you have, inadvertantly, introduced another ground path
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

[i just assumed since the stock ones had 2 wires, and the new ones had 2 wires, it was a simple replacement. If that is the case, however, there has
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Darthane
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

XB turn signals (or any Buells, for that matter), are not grounded through the housing. Each of the four turn signals should have one wire thats that same color as all the rest. That's your ground (generally black).

For a standard light bulb, it doesn't matter which way you plug the bulb in. If, for some reason, though, your new turn signals are something other than a plain old light bulb, wiring them backwards could blow the bulb or the fuse.

Find the blown fuse, replace it, watch and see if it blows again. Fuses are cheap. Hell, your bike came with a couple extras. Then use the SM to determine which wires you need to check (anything fed directly from that fuse).
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WHite -- you're likely right -- what I'd do is put back the stoker and see what happens, and t'shoot from there (after replaing any bad fuses)

the new aftermarket sig could be shorted somewheres -- not likely, but possible
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Whitetrashxb
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

[thanks, Darth now that you mention it, i remember that it doesn't matter on a plain bulb which way you wire it. These new ones are 'fake' LED-type, so i don't know if their wiring order matters or not, but i was paying attention to keep the black wires together. Guess i'll go buy a handfull of fuses after work

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Odie
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd do what Bomber said- put the stock ones back in and see what happens.....
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Kowpow225
Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd have to go with bomber and odie on this one. There could be a short somewhere in the housing or wiring of the new turn signals. But I'd say you definitely blew a fuse. The two wires could have mistakenly gotten swapped. In my experience with various electronics, each manufacturer chooses different colors for different wires. So black may not always mean black. But it probably does in this case. I'd be more leary if one were red and another yellow. Did the new ones come with a schematic? Also check your connections if you had to make a splice. You could have mistakenly stripped a little too much sheathing off of the wire and its grounding out on something. Of course I should mention, I do residential electrical work, NOT motorcycles.
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