| Author | Message | ||
     Tripper |
the voices don't talk to me.... the rumble does. | ||
| Jmartz |
Tripperman: r u still out there? | ||
| Glitch |
He's out there alright. Out there in Flatsville  | ||
| Gowindward |
"Flatsville" Ouch that hurt! Dave you going to let him get away with that!  | ||
| Tripper |
Ya, he gets away with it. He's slow but Glitch is good troop. Hi Jose! The S1 lost the chin fairing this week, I'm going for the more original minimalist S1 look. If only I could get my right fork seal to hold so I could experience the joys of the $460 Ferodo brake I put on it. Hi Loren! Bike night at the Overland Park Other Place tonight if you can make it. 4 -5 of us meet there every Wed and have dinner at 6:30, then there is a ride if we're feeling frisky. (sometimes we just go home, too old) | ||
| Glitch |
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| Jlnance |
But Glitch, the real question is "did you write it in C?" | ||
| Rooster2168 |
Well whatever the case I had a little chance to tangle with a friend of mines RC51. Would you believe it was very close? I think between my xb12r and his RC it be up to the better rider. The cool thing is his is still a vtwin! | ||
| Evaddave |
Glitch, How about this one instead? 01000010011101010110010101101100011011000010000001110100011001010111001101110100 001000000111000001101001011011000110111101110100 | ||
| M1combat |
Rooster - For the most part I've learned the bike barely matters at all in the deep twistys. When you remove HP as the major advantage the Buells will keep up with anything and then some. Especially if the road has some bumps. This is why the Buell makes such an excellent street bike. | ||
| Glitch |
In a heart beat Dave! When do I start? | ||
| Gowindward |
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| Glitch |
I guess in a way we all are! | ||
| Bcordb3 |
Is windward swearing? | ||
| Elvis |
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this (I guess I'm not really sure what this thread is or was about), but has there ever been a production, air cooled twin more powerful than an XB12? Triumph, BMW, Victory/Polaris, Harley, Motto-Guzzi, Ducati all have air-cooled twins, but do any of them match the HP of the XB12's? | ||
| Elvis |
I just realized the Confederate's probably got more power if you consider that a production bike. | ||
| Glitch |
Good question. I think the Ducati M900's numbers compare with the XB9. With 72bhp (Message edited by glitch on October 07, 2004) | ||
| Ingemar |
A bmw is closest I guess. The r1150rt has like 95hp and 100nm of torque. But that's measured at the crank I think. So it's actually less. Never mind... (Message edited by ingemar on October 07, 2004) | ||
| Elvis |
I found this chart: http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_Weights_Measurements/ I don't see any air cooled twins on there that beat Buell (but there might be something on there that's air-cooled that I'm not aware of). | ||
| Midknyte |
Ok, just out of curiosity, I went over and poked around on Ducati.com - looking for comparisons on a comparable bike (which for this post I define as twins as opposed to inline 4's). XB9R Air Cooled 984 cc, 92 hp @ 7500 rpm Monster 1000 Air Cooled 992 cc, 94 hp @ 8000 rpm Superbike 999 liquid cooled 998 cc, 140 hp @ 9750 rpm Compared to the Monster, spot on, what's everyone carping about? Compared to the Superbike, I'm wondering, what gives? Educate me please. | ||
| M1combat |
Completely different animals... That XB number looks much more like an XB12 number at XB9 RPM's. I think someone was confused (or I am, that's entirely possible). I don't think the 9's make that much power. Unless that's crank HP, but even then, it looks a little high on the 9. Compare torque as well. And maybe find the weight because that's important too  . | ||
| Midknyte |
Numbers taken directly from the Buell / Ducati sites. And yes, not RWHP numbers. (Message edited by midknyte on October 07, 2004) | ||
| Fullpower |
ducati is a few pounds lighter, makes a couple more flywheel horsepower, loses less in its final (chain) drive, has a lot taller gears, and better brakes. both damn fine bikes. | ||
| Jlnance |
Elvis - I don't know if you are interested in Air cooled engines in general or just motorcycle engines. Small airplanes use air cooled engines. I think they are usually horizontally opposed with 4 cylinders. It might be interesting to see how aircraft and motorcycle engines compare with respect to things like power/weight and power/displacement. | ||
| Blake |
"loses less in its final (chain) drive I don't think so. Taller gears? Meaning what? That at 80 mph in top gear it revs lower? I doubt it. Better brakes? How so? | ||
| Anonymous |
Sorry, but the fact is that the belt loses less power than a chain. Only a completely clean chain in an oil bath can do a little better, when you add O-rings and dirt the belt wins substantially. It also has a lor less inertia to accelerate. | ||
| Anonymous |
"lot" less, I meant... | ||
| M1combat |
Yeah, I can't see how a chain could beat a belt wrt frictional losses and rotational inertia. And the snatchy feel of a chain driven bike bugs me at the apex... I would probably agree though, both damn fine bikes. | ||
| Outrider |
Question...Has there been any further development in the Emergency Belt Repair Topic that was kicked around a few months back? Regardless of all the Engineering Rationale concerning why a belt is better than a chain, at least I can fix a chain when I am out in the middle of BF Egypt. | ||
| M1combat |
You do have a point there Outrider... |
