| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
Mikel is correct... I was stating that the IL4's have at least five advantages over the Buell engine configuration already. Why is it so hard for people to accept that the Buell should have ONE advantage over the IL4? I suppose they have at least one or two more but we're just talking engines ATM. | ||
| Ingemar |
An R1 has more torque over the full rpm range than any stock xb. And it weighs less too. If an XB smokes an R1 on ANY track, it must be the rider and not the bike. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
If you and I were on a short enough, tight enough track where it came down to your torque curve against mine, I would bet the bikes would be very close. Ingmar, My comment was aimed at a track tight enough that we are basically running 2nd or 3rd gear each. My XB12(77.5ftlbs@6750/45ftlbs@2200) out torques Gregs R1(74.0ftlbs@10000/30ft.lbs@2750). Even where the R1 crosses the torque/HP(60/60@5500) curve, the XB12(70/70@5000) is putting down more power. Where the R1 kicks butt is the TIME it takes for him to get to those points on engine spinup. Dyno info taken from Sportrider's dyno room charts | ||
| Johncr250 |
Your average XB9 makes about 78hp, and the XB12 makes about 90hp, and the 04 636 made 111 at the rear wheel according to motorcyclist magazine. As far as wet weight goes: XB12 460lbs 636r 418lbs. Quartermile XB12 11.40 at 118mph 636r 10.50 at 130mph. Given equal riders there is not a track or road the the XB12 will beat replica racer 600, 750, or 1000. Except Maybe on a gocart track or in shoprite parkinglot you`ll have a better chance. As far as time to "spin up" an inline japbike, nothing revs faster. Read the reviews, testers can`t shift fast enough they rev so fast. Look at all the big sportbike comparisions, they don`t even include Buells because they are not in the same league, even universe as Replica Racers. Buells are good streetbikes, when you start thinging they are the fastest or best thing on the road or track you must be dumb or smoking crack, just look at the numbers. | ||
| Fullpower |
Erik built a bike With mass centralization Thats the man's vision | ||
| Fullpower |
Internet racing What a useless endeavor Why dont you go ride? | ||
| Fullpower |
Bring back haiku thread dedicate them to Erik and then he will smile | ||
| Fullpower |
twelve hundred cc's some real fun power wheelies good enough for me | ||
| Fullpower |
you can ride your jap multi-cylinder race crap I like my Buell | ||
| Fullpower |
morning ride to work sunrise over wet pavement been grinning all day | ||
| Spike |
John, You don't get it. Peak numbers only look good in magazines. If you want, I can find magazines that place the 636 and the XB12 much closer together (8hp gap). The bottom line is that the XB makes more usable power than any 600. Anything less than advanced riders and the XB12 will eat a 600 alive on the street. Even on the track the gap isn't what you think with the average rider. Please, go buy the 600 if that's what you want. | ||
| Fullpower |
slow day here at work surfing on the badweb now start Buell at five | ||
| Fullpower |
buy a six hundred that is really what you crave I'll keep my Buell | ||
| Fullpower |
you guys arguing on the "to Erik Buell thread" really crack me up | ||
| Fullpower |
when you are all done start your favorite bike up and lets go ride some | ||
| Fullpower |
cool lookin bike there is that one o' them Buells? yer headlight is out | ||
| M1combat |
"Buells are good streetbikes, when you start thinging they are the fastest or best thing on the road or track you must be dumb or smoking crack, just look at the numbers." I don't remember ANY of us saying that the XB's are the best bikes on the road... In my case, I said they are competitive with their advantages and disadvantages. YOU are the one who refuses to admit that the XB's may actually have an advantage. As far as who has the "OVERALL" advantage... Only YOU have said things like "Given equal riders there is not a track or road the the XB12 will beat replica racer 600, 750, or 1000"... Please... At least quit being a hipocrit. What's all this about 750's and 1000's? That came in from left field. Please do us a favor and carry it back out there and leave it. Thank you. "As far as time to "spin up" an inline japbike, nothing revs faster." Have you ever ridden a 2-stroke? You did say "nothing"... "As far as wet weight goes: XB12 460lbs 636r 418lbs. " Where'd you get that from? The same magazine that was too stupid to re-adjust the suspension on the XB for each of the riders they put on it? Didn't someone here weigh one in at 437 wet? Maybe I'm nuts. "Look at all the big sportbike comparisions, they don`t even include Buells because they are not in the same league, even universe as Replica Racers. " Correct... They are sport fighters. I do have a very popular magazine sitting in front of me that has a review of a bunch of sport fighters and it includes a Buell. They didn't like it a lot, but they also didn't set the suspension. They also didn't even attempt to change the tires (it's a shame that Erik chose the 207's, they suck). They also were mad at Erik because he chewed them a new one for wrecking the first one they sent to him. Yeah, they still didn't set the suspension right... Try reading some euro reviews eh? I have a list of about 10 at home that seem to like the XB and a couple that didn't like it so much. It's futile to argue that the XB's aren't comparable AND competitive to the repliracer 600's. They are. Get over it. Better yet... Go get a 600 IL4  . (Message edited by m1combat on October 05, 2004) | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
M1, the XB12 weighs 461 lbs wet, give or take a lb or 2. | ||
| Fullpower |
full power gets bored goes on a haiku tangent I am a post ho' | ||
| Evil_twin |
"I don't remember ANY of us saying that the XB's are the best bikes on the road... " I will say it. Best bikes on the road. hehe. Had to, sorry. Mr. Buell built a street bike. STREET bike. Not a repli-racer. I don't need all of the revs, all of the flashy plastic junk. I have a "GREAT STREET BIKE". My bike was not ever intended to go on a race track. XB9Street. I love the eVilTwin. It don't get no better. If you guys want to keep beating the same dead cow, be my guest... heck, get a couple licks in for me. Numbers schumblers. If any of you really gave a rat's ••• about numbers, you would not have bought a Buell with it's high price tag and it's low HP. Do I give a donkey dikc? NO. If I was looking at numbers, woulda, shoulda, coulda bought something else. But, alas, I didn't. So here I am, beating this cow. Sooorry Mr. Cow, guess I did get my licks in. Rich  P.S. - Dean, love the poem's. Keep it up. It's the only thing entertaining on this thread. | ||
| Fullpower |
it is five o'clock the buell is warming up I am out of here | ||
| Sshbsn |
I'll say it too. Most all sport bikes are pretty good. Sometimes my bike is the BEST. Yes, that means better than the two blue/white GSXR1000s, one black GSXR1000, and one blue R1 who strafed me on a long straight road but blocked my path in the following curves. I hope one day the liter bikes hit 250mph so they can get far enough ahead on the straights to not get in the way once the riding starts. | ||
| Evil_twin |
YEAH! | ||
| M1combat |
Good one ssh . | ||
| Ingemar |
You're right on those numbers Whycked. I jumped to conclusions too fast. I once made a graph in an excel sheet combining dyno's of several bikes. I did not include the xb12 however, but merely looked at the sheet and forgot about how good it really looked. I'm eatin' my own words ... again!  Oke, so when an r1 and a buell get on the track, will they ride in the same gear and rpm range? I mean, the numbers are cool, but when I'm racing my 9 down the street, *trying* to keep up with tupperware repli-racers (which is not working), I find myself riding between 5000-7500 rpm. On an R1 I would think (if you have the guts) you would be between 6000-10000 rpm. Not a fair match is it? Ingemar. | ||
| Spike |
I hope one day the liter bikes hit 250mph so they can get far enough ahead on the straights to not get in the way once the riding starts. That's probably the greatest thing I've ever heard. I'm going to put that in my profile. Sshbsn, you rule.  Mike L. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
(it's a shame that Erik chose the 207's, they suck). I don't blame Erik, and I WON'T blame Erik. He had to use what was available to him and keep the base price of the tire low at the same time. Just because most of us have found aftermarket tires that are so much better then what came stock doesn't mean that Erik would have been able to use those same tires. I love the fact he was able to get the Skorpions for the 9x. Maybe that means in the future he can either get Dunlop to make a profile that matches the Pirelli's OR get Pirelli Diablos. Ingemar, there is a stretch of Salt River canyon that is laid out in such a way that repliracers would have to massively feather the clutch to run the higher revs. I have caught several litre bikes in that section. Even when I had my ZX600RR, in that section, it was 2nd gear 4K at the most. That is the kind of section I am talking about. On the XB12 its 3rd gear 2500 on up to 4000 then back down to 2500. The distance between corners limits the acceleration and turns the whole ballgame into a handling matchup. | ||
| Glitch |
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| Tripper |
David, your'e pretty near the edge. take a step back  | ||
| Glitch |
I keep hearing that. I thought it was just those voices. You hear 'em too? I thought they only talked to me. |
