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Josh_
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 09:39 pm: | 
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>If you have to go back to 1978 (TX750) to find a bad yamaha motor they're doing something right.
Depends on how many people you hear complain about valves/valve train "tick" on modern Yamaha motors (FJR, R1, and the watercraft).
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Steve_a
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 11:31 am: |
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Performance for the MT-01 will come down to weight. Yamaha will undoubtedly have it making good power with a nice powerband, but given the Warrior-based engine and relatively low revs, I doubt peak power at the rear wheel will be above XB12 numbers. For one thing, given that it's never going to set records, Yamaha will concentrate on a fat midrange, and power under the curve may be quite a bit better than XB12. However, I'll be shocked if the MT-01 comes within 75 pounds of an XB in weight.
Prediction: similar or slightly worse straight-line performance than an XB12, with a substantially better launch and 0-30 mph time possible. BTW, having ridden a XB12Scg, I predict that it will prove to be the quickest Buell at the strip. The relatively small drop in bike height makes a noticeable difference in its wheelie proneness, something that limits XB quarter-mile times. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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radially mounted brakes are likely in the same category woth alot of other stuff we've come to view as necessary on hour high perf bikes . . . the vasdt majority of riders (specially on the street) won't/can't feel the difference . . . looks great on the spec sheet war front, though
less unsprung weight, on the other hand, low PoL, a wide power band, and a great shifting gearbox, on the other hand . . . . . . . |
Outrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 03:16 pm: |
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I still don't understand the comparison of the MT-01 to Buell's line up.
The Buell is a race bike with a street version tossed in to work with the naked street bike and hooligan crowd.
The MT-01 is not a race bike and is slotted in a niche that appeals to folks that want something big, glitzy, expensive and possibly fast. Perhaps good handling as well.
I don't see Erik and Company going in that direction. However, Harley could quite easily if they wanted to. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 03:26 pm: |
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great shifting gearbox
????????????????? |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 03:45 pm: |
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The Buell is a race bike
Ya may wanna tell Erik that.
He said Buells are a sport bike, not a race bike. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 03:50 pm: |
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The Buell is a race bike
Ya may wanna tell Erik that.
He said, We're trying to build the best sport bike, not the best race bike, so our riders can have more fun in their lives. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 05:11 pm: |
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I said that a great shifting gearbox would be much appreciated on the street, not that the MaDeuece had one! {grin} |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 05:25 pm: |
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Out,
I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone who will agree that the Buell is a purpose built race bike. |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 06:00 pm: |
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The Buell is a race bike with a street version tossed in to work with the naked street bike and hooligan crowd.
Thats it, im coming up to your place to get a little of what you are having. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 07:32 pm: |
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If Buell's are not first and foremost RaceBikes, then why do they keep racing them? A second question is if they are not RaceBikes, why do they put such emphasis on solo rather than two-up riding.
Just wondering. I was always under the impression that Buell's, especially the XB series, were club level racers.
Still, I do not see any comparo between the MT-01 and a Buell. Perhaps someday, but not now. Seems much more likely that HD could play against the MT-01 easier than Buell could if they wanted to. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 07:34 pm: |
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Dyna...Come on up. Tonight was shark steaks on the grill. No clue what it will be tomorrow, but it will be great as I love to cook outdoors. Just wish I was back home where I could do it year round! |
Outrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 08:01 pm: |
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Incidentally, as much as I like the concept of the MT-01, I am going to have to wait to see the production models before getting too excited. That pipe looks awfully exposed for a passenger. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 11:22 pm: |
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Actually there aren't many Buells racing. There are a lot more SV650 racing and they sure are not race bikes. You see a lot about Buells racing here cause some of us race them and a lot of us follow the FX Buells and FUSA Buell racing efforts. |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 07:20 am: |
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quote:Actually there aren't many Buells racing.
For road racing, you are correct. For Drag Racing, there are a bunch in the AHDRA. More Buells than Sportsters and Vrods actually.
edited by josé_quiñones on July 22, 2004 |
Outrider
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 09:01 am: |
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Didn't mean to be the contrarian. I was flashing back on the posts from a few years ago that said something to the effect of Buell's (at least certain models) were designed for club racing enthusiasts. In extending that to today's product line that would put the XBR's in that category and the XBS's in the role of fun bike or whatever you wish to call it.
In the real world of road racing, by merit of the ratio of Buell's to all others in the appropriate classes, I will have to agree with you that they have not been well received by the participants.
Still I don't perceive a Buell and the MT-01 in the same market niche even though there are some similarities. Then again, who knows what Buell's will be like in the future. I just like them for what they are and how they perform in the real world. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 10:09 am: |
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XBS's in the role of fun bike
Works for me! |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 10:15 am: |
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Cool, Buells own the drag strip!
I agree Bill, the Yammer MT-01 is no way in the same class as a Buell XB machine.
The closest other model entries to the Buell XB's might be the Duc Supersport and Monster air cooled models. |
Jim_m
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 10:17 am: |
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Basically, here's how I look at it:
Hot rodded cruiser-based engine in a sport bike chassis
I'm not aware of anyone doing this prior to Buell (could be wrong though)...the closest that comes to mind is Suzuki's VX800, but it did not have a sport bike chassis...otherwise, Buells were pretty much alone until the MT 01 (I don't think the Bulldog counts either they didn't do much to the engine and the chassis is, from reports I've read, far from sporty)
edited by jim_m on July 22, 2004 |
Outrider
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 10:30 am: |
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Gee, That is pretty darn good company for Buell to be in. At least I think so.
Affordable fun right out of the box with a very strong aftermarket focusing on increased handling and performance.
Plus, not everyone needs or wants the fastest and greatest. Personally, I feel many folks buy bikes that are way beyond their skill level just to be cool and pull the trigger once in a while. Not a good combination. Is almost like some folks plan to fail.
My idea of a great stree/road bike is one that is easy to ride smoothly and quickly through the tight stuff and the forever changing road conditions. Additionally, I don't care to hit warp speed in the straights (anymore) as that is where the radar is. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 10:42 am: |
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Suzuki VX800...That was some bike, but, if I remember correctly, it didn't sell well and was replaced by the TL's which were SuperHawk and RC-51 types (IE: Ducati knock offs). Almost a Tuber vs XB difference only with more grunt.
Big difference the way you ride a V-Twin vs an Inline 4 through the tight turns. Places a real emphasis on the right now low end grunt of the twin, which is where I find my pleasure zone. |
Knickers
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 12:01 pm: |
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I had a VX800. Slow, HEAVY, poor handling in my opinion. Nice thing about being slow and heavy though was you could wring out everything the engine had without scaring yourself. Bought it for the wife in perfect condition 7000 miles for $2500. Sold it 4 years later for $2200 with 8500 miles. It did have a great shifting gearbox though. |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 09:27 pm: |
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Spotted at Suzuka, racing in the 8 Hour Race there:
That's a Yamaha Road Star engine in that bike, basically the same engine that will be in the MT-01. |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 09:38 pm: |
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Here it is with all the bodywork on:
Closeup:
Love the way they did the air intakes, I wonder how this style intake would look/work on the FX XB's compared to how they are currently routing the air ducts. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 09:54 am: |
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Wow...That looks scary fast. Can't wait to read more about it. Any suggestions concerning websites or magazines? |
Thunderbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 12:56 pm: |
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Quote from Yamaha "While the MT-01 is still a concept bike and any talks of production are quite a ways off"
Guess we will all have to wait this one out at any rate. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 01:49 pm: |
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For me, that is good news. Gives me more time to save up for a new bike.
I already have what I want and it would take something really neat like the MT-01, a Harley Super StreetTracker, etc., to get me motivated to make a trade. |
Jim_m
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 07:00 pm: |
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Where did you get that quote from? As far as I understood, this is a 2005 Europe only model, available in the spring...
Yamaha has a website set up for it as well
http://www.mt-01.com/ |
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