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Brucelee
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyone see any insights into what possible with an OLD OHV motor??

"At the heart of the Corvette beats the much-loved 5.7-liter V8. A staple of the Corvette line since the mid 1970's, this engine—also known as the 350—continues to amaze critics and fans alike; its ability to adapt and integrate 21st century technology seems almost limitless. The coupe and convertible get a 350 horsepower variation of the 5.7-liter known as the LS1. Though it is still an OHV engine with only two valvles per cylinder, the LS1 delivers exactly the kind of performance Corvette owners have come to expect and does so with a smooth refinement that defies logic. The LS6, which is standard in the Z06 Corvette, receives modifications to its intake, computer timing and compression that push the overall output to an astounding 405 horsepower."
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Buelluk
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

405 hp from 5.7 liters means 71 hp /litre, the XB9 is already making 93.4 hp/ liter at the crank
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Plenty : ).
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Joojoo
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lots of plenty.

Jack
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Odie
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think that there is more power laying around somewhere in the 1203......however, to compare it to the old Chevy 350 vs. the GEN III is a stretch based on Buells' resources and company size. The GEN III started life in late '91 on paper and didn't go into production until mid/late '96. That is a ton of R&D and $$$$. For Generous Motors, no big deal, but for Buell I'm thinking the cash flow doesn't exist. I personally think that the best thing Buell could do is get out from underneath the "Company" and be it's own entity again. Once again, there's that double edged sword though........Odie
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

although I have no crytal ball or insider information, something tells me that if Buell (the company) had been capable of surviving and thriving on it's own, it would have stayed independant

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Firebolt020283
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

bomber has a good point besides that the quality has improved since the h-d take over and u can buy buells at more dealerships
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Odie
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know..... There are always tons of reasons to sell a company. My Buell felt a tie to H-D due to engine use.
Maybe he foresaw a boost to R&D and $$$$ with an affiliation with H-D. Maybe the company was going down.......don't know. However, I do believe that if marketing was taken a step further and more exposure was given to the bikes then maybe sales would increase. Everybody at work from japriders to Ultraclassic riders likes my 12S. I feel that maybe not enough exposure is being given to a great product. Notice I'm saying this even after all of my problems..............Odie
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I keep reading about why did Erik Buell create such a brilliant chassis and stick such a lump in it. Or words to that effect.
I think they've got it backwards.
Erik got an engine.
Then he built a chassis.
If it were you would you have just built some UJM type and be done with it?
Or, would you have gone all out on the chassis.
I think Erik has done (is doing) to the engine all that is allowed at this time.
Sorry if this seems off topic, but to me it fits.


We're not interested in a spec war with other bike makers and our customers aren't either. We're trying to build the best sport bike, not the best race bike, so our riders can have more fun in their lives.Erik Buell
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Evil_twin
Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now that's a good quote Glitch. That's pretty much how I have been looking at it.

Rich
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