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Dbird29
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:20 pm: | 
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YamaSquid:
1,000,000 Negative posts
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100% Entertaining. |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:32 pm: |
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Why does it make zero sense? Its kinda goofy to toot your horn claiming you sell more bikes than anyone else, when the reality is you only sell more of a certain type of bike.
Honda doesnt concentrate 100% of its resources on the heavyweight cruiser market, they are all over the map when it comes to bikes.
The only market to which Harley-Davidson should be compared are the 800cc plus cruisers/customs/tourers. They are being generous by comparing all the way down to 650cc models.
Notice that the chart Jose posted has nothing to do with types of bikes...its strictly engine size related. Why would they cut it off at 650cc's? Why not take it down to 500cc's? It all about the number of bikes sold & registered, nothing more, nothing less.
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M1combat
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:33 pm: |
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You really think Honda sold 146000 sub 600cc bikes last year Dyna? |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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yep.
Take a guess how many dirt bikes, scooters, etc they sell? |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:40 pm: |
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Motorcycle Consumer news did this chart in 2002 for all manufacturers, which includes all bikes for the U.S. Market.
They have not published the 2003 results yet. The HD stuff is the best I have found absent the MCN data.
edited by josé_quiñones on July 15, 2004 |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:43 pm: |
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Well looky looky, Honda tops HD every year |
M1combat
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:52 pm: |
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Maybe for the first three of the last five years... We were discussing this year yes? Go find those numbers Dyna... |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 09:54 pm: |
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They arent out yet.
Figure market growth & look at the trend on that chart & there is 0 reason to believe that HD beat Honda. |
M2me
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 10:10 pm: |
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OK, what about street bikes only? HD probably beats Honda in the US for street bikes only regardless of the size of the bike. Total bike sales for Honda counts all bikes, even 50cc bikes that little Timmy rides in the backyard. A lot of those bikes aren't street legal. |
R1DynaSquid
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 10:46 pm: |
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im not sure of that, are those numbers strictly for bikes which are registered? If so that leaves out all of the dirt bikes.
Just posing the question, I dont know if those charts include all bikes or not. Also scooters arent considered motorcycles, completely separate category. |
Socoken
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 12:44 am: |
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KTM outsold Buell nearly 3 to one in 2002 and you arent sure if those figures include dirtbikes?
HD market share went up 2% while Hondas did not change, and was about three percent above HD. if you follow that trend, in two more years (from 2002) HD should surpass Honda, no? |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:00 am: |
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"im not sure of that, are those numbers strictly for bikes which are registered? If so that leaves out all of the dirt bikes. "
Most states require dirt bike registration. Think before you type. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:39 am: |
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"Honda doesnt concentrate 100% of its resources on the heavyweight cruiser market, they are all over the map when it comes to bikes."
No, but HD does concentrate on the heavyweight cruiser/custom/touring market and it is in those specific markets that HD would seek to determine its share. Why would HD care to know its share in the dirtbike market? HD does not engage in mass marketing of dirt bikes. Why would HD want to know its share of the small <650cc bike market? HD does not predominantly engage in the marketing of <650cc bikes.
Do you think Ferrari compares its market share to other car manufacturers based upon the other manufacturers' entire model line? That would be completely stupid and a wholly inane business practice. Ferrari wants to know what portion they own of the market in which they are seeking to succeed, only the high end sport car market.
These table are for the use of prospective investors and business analysts. They are not put together merely for our amusement or to compare relative total sales of all the various motorcycle manufacturers. Their contents are pertinent to the business in which HD is predominantly engaged. The manufacture and sale of large cruiser/custom/touring motorcycles.
Quit playing the dumass or I'll change your username to fit your trolling and feigned ignorance. Promise! |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 04:37 am: |
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>>>>That would be completely stupid and a wholly inane business practice.
Which would qualify the topic for it's own Badweb conversation?
Ever seen an Olympic sprinter judge their progress by watching over their shuolder?
I assure you neither Buell nor HD makes marketing decisions based on "how can we eclipse KTM this year?" |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:10 am: |
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You're both right
If you include all bikes (dirt/street), Honda wins
If you only talk about 651+cc Streetbikes, HD wins.
Either way, HD's numbers are impressive because all they sell are heavyweight cruisers and touring bikes, with a smattering of "Standards" in the form of Buell.
edited by josé_quiñones on July 16, 2004 |
Crusty
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 08:02 am: |
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Anybody remember 20 years ago when H-D had less than 5% of the market, I think they only sold a total of about 3,000 bikes in 1983. And now people are going back and forth because Harley sold 200,000 bikes and may have outsold Honda depending on if dirt bikes are included.
What we ought to do is expand the universe a little to include all motor vehicles. Now, Honda will definately be ahead of Harley, since it sells so many Accordians, Pisspots and Elementaries. But then, that opens the door for Ford and GM and Toyota. Hmmmm, I guess Harley really isn't selling so many vehicles, after all.
The bottom line is How important is it? |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 02:49 pm: |
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If you include software, Bill Gates wins. |
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