| Author | Message | ||
     Tpehak |
So what would you choose, Yes or No? | ||
| Hootowl |
No. They are effectively voting to secede. That’s cause for civil war. If the people in those areas want to be Russians, there is a simple solution for them - move to Russia. They can vote with their feet. | ||
| Tpehak |
So you want to control people against their will. Then there is nothing wrong if other other people will control you against your will. It looks like you are the one who would vote for slavery. I have bad news for you, Russia does not tolerate slavery and nazies. (Message edited by TPEHAK on October 05, 2022) | ||
| Hootowl |
“So you want to control people against their will.” You may have a reading comprehension problem.  | ||
| Hootowl |
If I wanted to be Russian, I wouldn’t invite the Russian army to Texas, I would simply move to Russia. No controlling people, and no one has to die. Incidentally, my great grandfather was a German born in Russia, in a community of German Russians whom had fled the Kaiser. They got booted out by Alexander II, couldn’t go back to Germany, and so came to America. Yes, my family arrived in America as refugees - legally. | ||
| Tpehak |
That's your right to move to Russia if you wish. But those people want to stay where they live and this is their right because of they worked there and maintained that land, they have property there, they paid taxes were invested in their land. The reason they vote to join to Russia is not only to become Russians, but also to have protection from Kiev military agression and not to live under nazi control and terror. (Message edited by TPEHAK on October 05, 2022) | ||
| Hootowl |
You’re free to have your Russian propaganda delusions. Good thing you don’t have a say in the outcome. Unless you want to move back to mother Russia and get conscripted. | ||
| Tpehak |
That's not delusions, that's true. | ||
| Hootowl |
I’ll not disagree that the US may have blown up that pipeline. But that’s not what we were talking about. Your attempt at misdirection has failed. | ||
| Tpehak |
That's not an attempt at misdirection. That's a separate piece of information. (Message edited by TPEHAK on October 05, 2022) | ||
| Hootowl |
Consider that the current administration in DC has bought the AGW story hook, line, and sinker. Emphasizing to the EU just how dependent they are on Russian natural gas supply would not be the smart thing to do. Self sufficiency based on nuclear and natural gas would be ideal, and would run counter to their KGB inspired motivations. Then again, I never claimed that the current administration are all that smart. All things considered, a US source for the pipeline explosion is not out of bounds. Our current government has its head up its ass. | ||
| Aesquire |
Our current government has its head up its ass. I'm rather curious myself about who, if anyone, ordered the pipeline leak. First, there's a good chance, better than 50/50, that it was just bad judgement/maintenance of a brand new pressurized pipeline. They filled it with gas, but hadn't started a flow, yet. Any water still inside hasn't been purged completely, which you get after blowing gas through. Natural gas + water + pressure = ice. Methane clathrates, so literally explosive ice. Not that you'd get fire, absent oxygen, but clathrates decompose and sublimate. Straight from solid to gaseous, and if a pig rams some ice, or they lower the pressure from one side, you can get a big bubble with no place to expand to & pop! But let's assume it was deliberate. Just for argument. It's easiest for the Russians to DO, all they need to do is push the "wrong" button. American or British or Scandanavian submarines could do it, or Chinese or even Iranian. So motivation? Putin would have to be vindictive and want Europe, esp. Germany to suffer, I take that a a given. But by breaking both undersea pipelines, it makes it much harder to turn the taps back on. All stick, no carrot. Suboptimal planning seems a real problem with Putin. Ditto, while Joe* might be told cutting the pipeline would give the USA a big monopoly on gas & make us a ton of money, he also turned off gas pipeline and development, plus we can't literally can't ship enough THIS Winter to "Save the day". 2 years from now, probably, but it would take a complete 180 on fossil fuels policy. And immediately, or at least 4-5 years. ( unless there's a big change in administration. Joe* retiring, and Kamala crashing her helicopter in a Tom Clancy Novel scenario... Highly unlikely. ) Otoh, it is Just Joe* and the Obama retread staff, and whoever is actually running things. Incredibly stupid and self destructive policies are SOP. Britain? Sweden? Don't see any rational reason. Finland? There's a possibility! Cut Russian funds and influence, screw Putin, and Germany. A bit of a spanking on the German Greens, & EU! Pretty good deniability. China? That would be a Long Game secret betrayal plan. Might be the Most Win for them, all around. Europe industry shut off. I Assume Joe* is following their orders to wreck our economy/military and promote a Civil War. ( Joe* doesn't even need to know that's the plan. Just read his teleprompter. Some of the Obama people will know, and cheerfully write his scripts ) There's a few others with the technical capability but best bet is Russia, accidental or not. And China, which wouldn't even need a submarine, just a paid operative in the gas company in Russia. Opinions? I bet it will remain speculation for at least until Putin falls out a window. | ||
| Tpehak |
Putin is a hero. | ||
| Blake |
Remember when Texas voted to leave Mexico, then joined the U.S.? Just sayin. I have no way to know what’s true RE Ukraine and Russia. Thing is, I’ve seen zero that begins to justify the invasion. Russia has a very bad history of abusing Ukrainians. | ||
| Hootowl |
There’s no parallel. Texans didn’t vote to become Americans. Texans voted to become a separate nation. Still, war ensued. Lots of people died. There’s the parallel. Just saying. | ||
| Blake |
. Well said. The intrepid Texans were way smarter than Putin.  I just heard reported that there are radar records showing helicopters out of Gdansk, Poland hovering over site of Nord Stream pipeline sabotage prior to explosion. “Gdynia, Gdansk and Swinoujscie for NATO For operations of the NATO in the Baltic sea area…” https://east-usa.com/us-military-bases-in-poland.h tml If the USA's, UK's, and Norway's energy producers are allowed to boom their oil and gas production to supply the Euros, then the Nord Stream sabotage will ultimately be very beneficial to them/us. The UK has rescinded their ban on fracking, and Norway is surging delivery of gas to Europe. . Will America follow suit? | ||
| Blake |
Hah. https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/12/gdansk-pola nd-defending-baltic-putin-russia/ | ||
| Whisperstealth |
By the time our Armored Units arrived from the US to Poland, it would be too late. But I don't think defending The Baltics and Europe will come down to getting tanks into the Baltic States. Not anytime soon anyway. Not with Putin. While it's true, if Putin gets another term, he would on it's face have time to get his military in shape and make a run at them... I don't think that will happen. His health and his people will not allow for that. Here's my thinking: Russia couldn't overrun Ukraine in the one to two weeks it should have taken. Russia has shown it's military is inept; under trained, under equipped, and under lead. Their shit doesn't work. Their gear is crap, non working or non existent. They were out performed against a much smaller force with fewer men, war planes, armored vehicles, etc. Russia was completely unprepared or discounted the impact of Ukraine's surface to air missiles, drone warfare and special operations forces. The Russkies far underestimated Ukrainian moral and resolve, while overestimating their own. They either didn't think the US would lend material support, or didn't think it would arrive in time. The world is watching and learning about warfare in the 21st century. I'm betting The Baltics are taking notes. So are we. Here's the thing. Putin, is getting his ass kicked. He's losing men, material, and money at an unsustainable rate. More and more people are speaking out against him in his homeland. The Dude is in trouble... That makes him desperate. Which means if he makes a run at the Baltics in the near future, He HAS to have assured himself of victory. There's likely only one way he can think to do that at this point. And that's go Nuclear... So while Armored Units and Mechanized Infantry still play a part in things, in this scenario, getting them to the Baltics might just be the least of our worries. | ||
| Tpehak |
Of cause Russia will go nuclear if Kiev will not move the Ukrainian army out of the Russian territory. Why would Russia waist Russian citizens lives fighting the Ukrainian army occupied the Russian territory while Russia can nuke them and save Russian citizens lives? The only way I see to avoid this scenario if USA and Europe will stop to assist the Ukrainian nazi supplying the weapon to Kiev and let Russia finish the job without nuclear strikes. (Message edited by TPEHAK on October 06, 2022) | ||
| Aesquire |
Blake, heard reported that there are radar records showing helicopters out of Gdansk, Poland hovering over site of Nord Stream pipeline sabotage prior to explosion. Whose radar? Was it an unknown radar trace that came from the general direction? Or a track from inland at the actual Polish base? Europe has a massive overlapping civil radar net to control traffic. It makes glider flying challenging, they can't enter the "inverted wedding cake" areas around air ports, and most importantly, literally cannot follow air traffic control orders, except by not flying into controlled airspace. ( "gee, traffic control, I'd love to climb and speed up, but without an engine, and the skill/instruments to circle in thermals, I'm going down in a field, preferably grass." ) That's true here too, we just have bigger gaps and a much bigger sky to fly in. I've spent hours circling up to the bottom of a zone and running the gap between a civilian airport and military training area. It's easier today, ironically, since a cell phone can access NOTAMs while before, I'd have to stop at an airport to read them off their fax machine. and GPS is easier than paper maps. ( flying by a water tower to see where you are was precision navigation back before GPS ) I've never had to dodge a F-16, but I've had a B-52 turn the air in a valley into rolling horizontal tornados strong enough to break branches off trees and toss gliders on the ground around like leaves. Luckily no one was airborne in it's path. Practice flights below hill top level down valleys under radar at 500+ mph. So on radar, a plane out of Rome would appear to originate from Naples... Two towns far away and unimaginatively named. ( in New York, not Italy ) | ||
| Hootowl |
Perhaps they were ASW aircraft wondering what a Chinese sub was doing near the pipeline. It’s just as plausible. We may never know what happened. That’s not to say that no one knows. Perhaps it will eventually be declassified. | ||
| Aesquire |
I sure don't know! | ||
| Ratbuell |
Now Zelensky wants NATO to use nukes against Putin, "preemptively", to "stop the threat of nuclear war". Huh? Methinks turning the entire region into a sheet of glass for a few thousand years, may not be such a bad solution....but Kerry/Clinton/Pelosi/Biden/Schumer crime families (and dollars) won't let their operations get destroyed, so.... | ||
| Aesquire |
https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/10/what-if -putin-nukes-ukraine.html I disagree with Petreaus. The appropriate response to Putin nuking even a ditch in an empty wheat field, is to sink his doomsday drone launching submarine. And every other sub we have tracked. And NOT announce it. Any questions should be responded to by our cute redhead lesbian spokesperson with "don't be ridiculous" and "why are you spreading Russian Disinformation?". Which would be easy for a script reading liar. I wouldn't even tell the White House. In fact, considering that most of the Occupants that "work" there are known commies and could not pass a security review, arguably it's a Federal Crime to inform anyone there. And I wouldn't use nukes to take out any targets. There are no PALs on torpedoes. Conventional bangs work fine. Why? Because War is fought by men. The psychological aspect is how you influence others. Suddenly and "mysteriously" losing your trump cards would cause a serious rethinking of strategy. ( just like the 2020 "election" and excessive use of "quote marks" by opinionated people. ) A strategy to save Europe and freedom should be kept secret from The Enemy, which includes the Mainstream Media, the Tech Censor Agitprop Giants, the White House and the DOJ. You may disagree, after all, I've already advocated taking out the Nordstream 2 pipeline, which already happened. I'd also wreck the oil loading setup in Iran that fills the tankers for China and India to cut off the Axis of Evil from funding. Also throw shoes into the other pipelines feeding China from Russia. That Would cause serious ripples in the world economy. Biden* created the economic & energy crisis, and the only way out is through, make it so obvious that tyrants don't care about the peasants that they quit following. Lucky for Joe* and Vladimir, I'm not a patriotic Admiral. There might still be one left after the Obama purge. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/10/08/another-wh odunnit-who-blew-up-a-key-bridge-in-crimea-n501873 I have witnesses to testify I was elsewhere. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2022/10/07/finla nds-prime-minister-has-a-simple-solution-to-ending -putins-war-in-ukraine-n501729 Why can't we have a President this cool? Sure, I'm biased because she's hot and goes to Metal concerts. I have zero clue about her domestic policies. | ||
| Tpehak |
Kiev terrorists attacked civilian bridge in Russia. It's about time to nuke Kiev. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Tp: F_-K You! Advocating for Russia to Nuke Kiev, makes you a piece of shit. Period. You can Eat Horse Crap and die. | ||
| Hootowl |
Bridges used to transport military equipment are fair game in warfare. For a war monger, you son’t seem to know much about it. Perhaps that’s why you’re so eager. | ||
| Tpehak |
Russia has no choice. There is no magic button can change the Kiev nazi mind or move the nazi out from the Russian territory. USA could send their troops to assist Russia to push the Kiev nazi out from the Russian territory without nuclear strikes but it looks like USA is not going to assist Russia to fight the Kiev nazi. (Message edited by TPEHAK on October 08, 2022) |
