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     Blake |
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| Arbalest |
Blake, Blake, Blake. I suppose he'll get your nod to be added to Mt. Rushmore. Reagan may have been a nice guy, but he was a puppet of the behind the scenes conservative puppetmasters. Reagan was the hand picked front man for the Coors conservative takeover. He napped away most of his second term. Nancy was was making State decision based on an ASTROLOGERS advice. Reagan had the most corrupt administration since Nixon. Doesn't ANYONE remember Iran-Contra?? Reagan just continued the conservative policy of supporting Right Wing dictators. Why are Right Wing dictators any better than Left Wing dictators?? Oh, and I thought this was strangley relevant, and No, this did not come from some Left wing radical source. This is a direct quote from the RIGHT WEB; "In the mid-1980s, an independent prosecutor was established to investigate Meese's alleged financial improprieties. As part of the investigation, the prosecutor looked into Meese's involvement in a Bechtel pipeline deal in Iraq. One of the dealmakers for the pipeline project was Donald Rumsfeld. According to the New York Times, "  Bechtel has a long history of doing business in Iraq, including an unsuccessful pipeline deal that at one point involved a meeting between Donald H. Rumsfeld, now the secretary of defense, and Saddam Hussein. That project later drew scrutiny from a special prosecutor looking into allegations of impropriety involving Edwin A. Meese III, the former White House counsel and attorney general in the Reagan administration." Meese's involvement in the Bechtel deal revolved around his relationship with E. Robert Wallach, a lawyer close to the attorney general who was hired by Bechtel to help negotiate with the Israeli government. Although he was not prosecuted, Meese ultimately resigned." | ||
| Davefl |
Arbalest, you better look out for those black helicopters  | ||
| Andrewb |
Why Reagan Was One of Our All-Time Gr "cause the Media and G.W. says so...? | ||
| Kenb |
Here here Blake I concur 100% !! When Reagan was elected our country was in a funk left over from Vietnam, embassy employees were held hostage, the Soviet union was successfully installing another puppet regime and we were experiencing something called stagflation. Was Reagan perfect ? No, but he held to certain ideals which was that America was a shining city on a hill. We are a nation held together by an ideology of individual freedom, liberty, and responsibility and that is what makes it so special. Reagans’s mission was to make us remember that and stand up to the Soviet Union and exploit the fracturing from within. Did Rumsfeld have dealings with Hussein ,yes but at the time Iraq was the enemy of our enemy which made them an ally. Do you recall that Stalin was pretty tight with Churchill and FDR during the mid 40s ? There was something called Nazis who were hell bent on ruling the world and they were the common enemy. Did Stalin murder millions,absolutely. Does that make FDR and Churchill criminals for conspiring with him to defeat the Nazis, no. Remember where we were at in the 80s and remember the exuberance of millions when the Berlin wall came down. Again Reagan may not have been perfect but to a generation who was sick of the Soviet Union kicking our ••• he was a hero. If you want to slam him go to Democratic Underground and have a ball. | ||
| Bomber |
I think Reagan did a credible job at the most important task a president has -- assembling a core of good advisors . . . . he was certainly in office when a number of good things happened, although many of them had been moving in that direction for years and decades before his election (we tend to credit, and blame, the president for everything that happens on their watch, whether thay caused it or not) . . . he was a good president. however, when I heard a Republican party official saying that he would be viewed as one of the best of the 20th century, "the two Roosevelts and Reagan," I darned near blew coffee out of my nose . . . . sheeesh | ||
| Court |
He was a nice person to work for. | ||
| Arbalest |
I don't doubt that he was a good and honest man, and I don't doubt that he was a nice person to work for. I just think that the conservative moves to canonize him are a little premature. I don't fear the the black helicopters. It's the right wing nut cases that are all wrapped up in the Tri-lateral Commission stuff. That said, there was no big conservative success before Coors started The Heritage Foundation and started high rolling every right winger they thought had a prayer of defeating a Democrat. Reagan was hand picked and groomed for the presidency by the conservative movers and shakers. They have been very successful. | ||
| Davegess |
Arbalest, couldn't agree more. Much loved certainly and had some real accomplishments. Also seemingly a very nice fellow. He really did move the country out of the malaise that followed Nixon and Carter but one of the greatest ever? I don't think so. just his moves to set cival righta back to the 1950's would disqualify him in my book. | ||
| Buellkowski |
There will be legislation introduced soon to authorize his visage on either the $10 bill or the dime. Please ensure your lawmakers vote against this. Hamilton was a Founding Father. Roosevelt saw this country through its darkest time since the Civil War. Reagan's name/face belongs on airports, libraries, & schools, not national symbols. | ||
| Reindog |
Has anyone heard that Jacques Chirac nor any high level French representative will be attending Reagan's funeral? I heard this on Michael Savage's show yesterday but I haven't heard it anywhere else. Savage is not a reliable source of information so I am withholding the boiling oil for now. The Today show announced foreign leaders who will be in attendance and they didn't mention France. It would be typical of them to report France's absence through omission. I hope I am wrong. PS: Savage also said that the PM of Canada won't be in attendance either. | ||
| Scrap |
Court as usual your slightest comment commands the highest respect. | ||
| Court |
Richard: First, all the best to you. Second, I'm not, while he is laid out in the Capitol, motiviated to get in a "comparitive good" discussion. Each of us has our good and our bad. How we ply it, ultimately defines us. I had the great pleasure during a most interesting sidetrack in the early 80's to spend some brief moments walking next to both President Reagan and Vice-President Bush with a lapel pin and an earpiece. Now before you think me a quasi-rambo, let me add my role, as a member of the White House Advance Team, amounted to little more than whispering the correct pronunciation of the names of those he was about to shake hands with. EXAMPLE: About 40 seconds prior to taking the stage to chat up his "long time friend" I had one of my principals ask me about the gubernatioral candidates..."quick, is his name OWEN or OWENS". Some of my confederates worked principals who treated them poorly and like they were under conscription. I have a great Bob Dole story...remind me to tell you. On the other hand, politics aside, both Reagan and Bush were kind, nice people who always had a moment to say hello and sound sincere. Bush, one day in Caspar (yes, that's spelled correctly) Wyoming even took our suggestion (Al Zygowiscz was the lead agent for the USSS, I for the WHAT) that we wait unitl we get to Tuscon that afternoon to do his run. This after I had been running for 9 days in Caspar (check out the altitude). Bottom line is, history will judge him as it does all poilitcians who pass. My $0.02 are to simply say the time I spent with him, likely totally less than 90 seconds, he was a warm and cordial person. Big points in my world. By the way...Janet Nallin falls in the same catagory. I've yet to hear the woman say an un kind word. Most of you already know my favorite quote by B. C. Forbes: Court (who will NOT be appearing on Mt. Rushmore OR the $$$) | ||
| Scrap |
Having grown up in the Reagan era, I feel proud to have had him as my commander in chief. He loved this country and took no •••• off of anybody who tried to down her. Sure he had his faults we all do, but never the less I am proud. God speed Mr. President | ||
| Blake |
I refuse to engage the haters of conservative government in a debate. Read the article to which I provided a hyperlink in the first post; then read this one, written by a loyal democrat who knew President Reagan and worked closely with him. Bomber, As usual your passive aggressive manner of attack leaves me confused. Are you implying that communism and the Soviet Union were already headed towards their demise before Reagan became president? Are you implying that said demise and the resultant blossoming of democracy and freedom in the former Soviet block happened through no effort of President Reagan? I believe what the ex-Soviet leaders themselves say. Not to mention how America's economy burst forth from near collapse, tripling the GDP and bringing interest rates back down to earth. Reagan taught me the following ideals... Choose positive over negative. There will always be ideologues who seek to attack and deride the efforts of a strong and successful leader. To some ideologues there simply is no amount of proof, no amount of evidence, no heroic achievement, that will affect their negative and hateful contrarian views. Choose optimism over gloom and doom negativism. Choose to see the good in people. Make well known and staunchly promote your most cherrished principles. Don't mix words; call out evil when you see it; demand justice when you see injustice; enjoin the battle against evil with all available rational means; defeat evil even if it requires mortgaging the country's treasure do so. A leader must lead, not mire him/herself in the management of detail. Big government IS the problem. At 5 PM family time begins. Go with your gut despite the trepidation of those advising you. When confronted with true evils that seek to conquer America, a good democrat can become a great republican. edited by blake on June 10, 2004 | ||
| Blake |
Geez, I almost forgot one of the most important principles that President Reagan taught me... Approach negotiations from a position of strength. The more strength, the better. America's strength lies in her most cherished ideals of liberty and justice for all backed up by the world's most formidable military. America will have nothing but a bright future as long as America remembers that. | ||
| Bomber |
Blake -- Passive Agressive? that's a new one, don't think I'd heard that before (now, swank leftie i'd heard) I meant no attack on Reagan, but do mean to say that his leadership was not up to the level of the two Roosevelts, nor would his adminsitration be viewed as one of the best of the 20th century. That is a long way from an attack do I think Reagan's actions contributed greatly to the downfall of Soviet Communism, and the timing thereof? absolutely! he and his advisors deserve a great deal of credit. do I think that soviet communism would have collapsed during the same time frame, plus or minue 5 years, if Reagan and his poilicies had not been there? yes. taking the word of the soviet leadership on anything is, I believe, ill-advised. I'll not take the lure concerning your standard democrat/republican cast -- too easy, too tired, and, at the end of the day, IMO, meaningless I'm perfectly happy to take Court's word that Reagan and Bush Sr were gentlemen in the true snese of the word -- I'd be happy to have either to my house for dinner (something I would not say about all the preseidents I've watched duriong my life) | ||
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| M2cyclone00 |
I have a friend who grew up under that evil Soviet empire. Her father, who was a Communist Party official, considers Reagan a great hero. She was able to leave Poland & move to the US as a result of Reagan's initiatives which brought the Soviets to their knees. She lived through the martial law that was mentioned in the article Blake referenced. Reagan wasn't anyone's "puppet" concerning those initiatives. When his advisors weren't on board with his plans, he convinced them. Not the other way around. | ||
| Loki |
He is the greatest world leader in my lifetime, so far. Watching the current proceedings brings back some deep memories. As a youngster, I was there when H.H.H. was brought home. It was not until much later that I understood, what I had been witness to. | ||
| Robr |
"enjoin the battle against evil with all available rational means" The Left's greatest problem with Reagan(and Bush), is that they do not acknowledge the existence of evil. | ||
| Blake |
"When his advisors weren't on board with his plans, he convinced them. Not the other way around." Or did what he felt was proper despite their trepidation. | ||
| M1combat |
"He is the greatest world leader in my lifetime, so far." Yep. | ||
| Arbalest |
I heard an interesting blurb on the radio. It was an interview with Gorbachev (I believe). The question was "Was Ronald Reagan responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union?" or something close to that. Gorbachev's response was that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the result of the SDI initiative. When the U.S. started work on Star Wars, the assumption, by the Soviets, was that if we started the program, we must be capable of making it work. The effort to counter SDI bankrupted the Soviet Union. | ||
| Jim_witt |
When Bush was in Phoenix a few weeks ago, he went to a Mexican food restaurant near my home. Yesterday my daughter stopped by my house and took me out to eat lunch there. I sat in the same boot, even the same side of the booth that Mr. Bush did. Even had a huge picture of him on the wall right next to me. Course I didn’t get to talk to him, but it was great eating in the same booth that he did. Matter of fact, the food tasted different and I suddenly felt totally optimistic. -JW: | ||
| Buellkowski |
The Left's greatest problem with Reagan(and Bush), is that they do not acknowledge the existence of evil. Unlike the Right, the Left does not purport to be God's anointed custodians of the "truth", and instead chooses to acknowledge BOTH sides of a conflict. Evil is as evil does, no matter who does it. What Ronald Reagan taught me: 1.) ketchup is a vegetable, 2.) militant Islamic Iranians are better than Socialist Central Americans, 3.) I did not deserve to continue to receive my dead mother's Social Security benefits when I was a still my father's dependent, 4.) it's OK to SAY your positions are unequivocal, but change them anyway, 5.) when you don't want to answer an incriminating question, say "I don't recall..." | ||
| Kenb |
Buelkowski of course the left doesn't purport to be the keeper of the truth, you/they beleive in moral relativism where there are no absolutes, which is a load of pooey. The Soviet regime was evil ! Militant Islam is evil ! Crazies who fly commercial jetliners into skyscrapers are evil ! my list could go on but I'll go back to work and remember RR the best president of my lifetime. | ||
| Marks3tbillet |
Robr: You stated it well. They won't acknowledge the existence of evil. Just look at the excuses they make for criminals, dictators, etc. "He was treated badly as a child." This excuse has been used to explain Hitler's and Saddam's behaviors. John Adams once said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." | ||
| Marks3tbillet |
Kenb: I have kept my mind open about Islam. I have read portions of the Koran. I have attended Islam conferences. To me, there is no such thing as "militant islam" or "radical islam." It is just Islam. If they follow their book, they will be militant and radical. The only truth is Jesus Christ. Since we believe so, we are infidels and should be killed as Islam sees it. | ||
| M1combat |
"I have kept my mind open about Islam. I have read portions of the Koran. I have attended Islam conferences. To me, there is no such thing as "militant islam" or "radical islam." It is just Islam. If they follow their book, they will be militant and radical." There are none so blind as those who refuse to see Mark... You are spot on with that one. | ||
| Kenb |
Mark, I here you on the Islam thing, I was just trying to be polite. Jesus Christ is the way and the light but most on the left also detest us for believing so, hence the incredible hatred for RR and any conservative politician who professes his faith. It's a sad state of affairs but the increasing regulation of our government is in direct correlation to our lack of faith and self control. | ||
| Bomber |
phew . . . . .. ah well . . . . at any rate, God Speed, Mr President -- thank you for your service, which was priceless | ||
| Richieg150 |
Ronald Reagan,had integrity,and was highly respected.His wife Nancy,supported him totally,and was a shining example of what and how The First Lady should be.He had character and stood up to values,that alone in this day takes guts.People might not have agreed with him,but he deserved their respect,for being the man he was.Rest in peace Ronald.........We will meet again!  |
