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     Aesquire |
The company that is supposed to recycle the Tesla isn't authorized to do so. They don't have the paperwork. The battery chemistry is proprietary, secret, so they can't fill out the form properly! Germans! Which is both true, and bogus. Sure, the exact mix of Lithium and whatever ( Iron, Cobalt, Fairy Dust ) is proprietary, but what is inside is listed. Of course, in completely different arrangements, Lithium and Cobalt can be the battery in a motor glider, or a thermonuclear bomb.  | ||
| Aesquire |
https://9gag.com/gag/ae5gLEm ecology | ||
| Ducbsa |
Thanks, Greenies! https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/11/s an_diegos_green_new_deal_showcase_unwittingly_reve als_an_expensive_future.html | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/11/22/bokhari- microsoft-has-a-massive-china-problem/ Is anyone surprised Microsoft is Evil? No one? | ||
| Hootowl |
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| Aesquire |
Mother$%&-ing truth! | ||
| Sifo |
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| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/11/t he_climate_con.html Seriously, since the U.N. Climate guys already admit that the Con has nothing to do with Climate, but everything to do with stealing your money, the Science Is Settled. Second, any bull crap that adds a word in front of Justice, "economic justice" "social justice" etc. Does Not mean justice of any kind, but is theft of property and freedom. Third, every program to redistribute wealth will make millionaires more rich and screw the poor people all over the world. This there is no need for debate. It doesn't matter what actual science shows. Not because science isn't important, or the environment isn't important, but because the thieves don't care. No argument can change the mind of a man who is dishonest, and deliberately lying to steal your freedom and wealth. Why should it? How can it? And the final proof, even if you don't believe the U.N. & AOC's creator when they outright say Climate has Nothing to do with it, is that the Solutions cannot solve any problems, except to make rich liars richer. And All the Solutions involve making you give up your freedom and property, but Not Them. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/why -green-energy-is-a-terrible-idea.php | ||
| Aesquire |
At this point it seems that most anything you hear with the word "climate" involved is almost purely political. If the words crisis emergency, or other hyperbole is tacked on to Climate, you have about a 100% chance that everything in the article/show/video is pure Green propaganda. I bet a half rack of ribs that the message is basically excuses to make you pay to save the world. There's some truth to the notion that mankind's existing, mining, burning forests, etc. Can be hazardous to our environment. Much of human activities involves taking natural stuff, rock, timber,oil, and concentrating the parts of it we want, making it more useful, and more potentially disruptive to life. Plus there's the remaining stuff left over that we tried to take the "good stuff" out of, which is itself now more concentrated potential hazard. You want framing wood, you get a lot of sawdust and bark. This fundamental thing we do is both necessary, and the important part of ecological responsibility. Dealing with our waste. Feel free to make biological metaphors. Shifting gears, I've been enjoying this channel, the history and basic tech of warships. 5 minute guide to warships This one is on armor metallurgy, and imho broadly useful to anyone into metal. | ||
| Hootowl |
Did a 200 mile round trip on the model 3 today. Dropped my daughter and her fiancé off at one of their friend’s place for the night. Plenty of range. Car is charging now. Will have a full tank by the time I need it again. I absolutely love it. Performance of a supercar, economy of a geo metro. I don’t care that it runs on coal and natural gas (natural gas and wind, where I live) it is a f’ing awesome car. If you’ve not driven one, I strongly suggest that you do. Forget all that ‘green’ bull shit. It’s just an incredible car. | ||
| Sifo |
This guy is not a Tesla hater, just for the record. He actually really likes them and rebuilds totaled Tesla's. He knows them inside and out. I would say he has an informed opinion. Personally, I think Tesla does some really cool stuff, and has their head up their ass in some areas. Hey, it's just an opinion. I do think it would be a cool car to own. I also think it's good to be informed about what you are getting into. I've bought plenty of things in my life where I've known about common problems. My Buell was one of those. Never regretted getting it! | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Sifo |
More interesting Tesla stuff... | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/11/mask_ off_greta_thunberg_comes_out_full_marxist.html Nothing to do with science. Everything to do with power. | ||
| Sifo |
OK, I stopped reading when I got to "the climate resistance movement". I don't think they are really resisting the climate. Certainly, the climate doesn't care if you resist. | ||
| Sifo |
The surprising moment 15 Teslas wait in line to be charged in California on Thanksgiving as drivers navigate across the country for the holiday season | ||
| Hootowl |
Saw that. Poor planning. There were chargers just a few miles in either direction with no lines, from what I understand. Tesla plans to double the number of stations within the next few years, and all the new ones will be level 3 chargers. Growing pains. Like I said, road tripping in an electric might not be the best plan, at least for now. A level 3 charger will put 75 miles of range on in 5 minutes. If I have to drive long distance, I’m using my diesel. I expect that my next car, which will also likely be electric, will have a 600+ mile range and will charge in just a few minutes. Time will tell. | ||
| Hootowl |
WRT to the hacker video, Tesla have replaced the model S drive unit with the one from the model 3. | ||
| Sifo |
Yeah, it's on par with getting stuck at the airport during holiday delays. It does show one of the problems of a long (compared to gas/diesel) refuel times. When it starts to back up, it's going to back up bad. I'm not sure if/how they will solve it with EVs. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/letter-woke-teena ger-climate-change First, you need to build more power plants. You can't just substitute electric cars for gasoline ones without building the infrastructure that produces much more power than the gasoline produces in a car. Because of the laws of physics. Then you need to build more charging stations, lay more power lines, and make more transformers than today. How much do you want to pay to charge your car? | ||
| Hootowl |
You forgot that the overwhelming percentage of power required to charge cars is used at night, in people’s garages, when the grid is nowhere near capacity. There is already plenty of capacity. Superchargers are for road trips, a very small percentage of miles driven. Gas engines are about 20 percent efficient, even less from well to wheel. Electric cars, from well to wheel, are about 40 percent efficient. Electric cars are twice as efficient as gas cars because physics.  This is why I’m getting the equivalent, in dollars, of 60 mpg in my 500 hp 0-60 in three seconds car, a feat that would be impossible in a gas car. | ||
| Ebutch |
We here at Ebutch-Green Transportation are developing a Greener Tomorrow. For Trucking  Bussing  & Limoes  | ||
| Aesquire |
So you are saying that people charge their cars at night when solar power is off and the heating demands are highest? But although you are correct about night charging as a promised ideal, I question how many actually do so. My Mom plugs her Prius in when she returns from the store. I bet that's SOP for most. Do you wait until a certain hour to plug yours in? And we don't have an actual surplus of power sufficient to replace the majority of liquid fueled vehicles. Sure, your car turns electricity to movement pretty efficiently. But that's the last step of many. For argument sake I'll ignore the train loads of fuel (one of W. Buffet's big money makers. He opposes pipelines because he profits from trains ) and assume an already built pipe or multi year reactor run. So... You burn oil, coal, gas, or Uranium, get heat. Conversion 1. Use the heat to boil water. Conversion 2. You turn the steam into rotational kinetic energy with a turbine. Conversion 3. You turn the kinetic energy into electricity with alternators. Conversion 4. There are not insignificant losses with each transformer step up & down in voltage, and each meter of line, all the way to your house. That's Court's specialty. Then you convert AC to DC, in your charger, with some small loss. Then from electricity to chemical potential energy. Conversion 5. Then from chemical storage back into electricity. Conversion 6. Then 7 into motion and sometimes heat. I concede it's possible to get pretty good use of a unit of natural gas through all those steps to your car. As good as a 500 hp natural gas burning internal combustion engine? I honestly don't know. Do you trust a government agency to do unbiased science anymore? I'd bet a taco dinner that if you used a gasoline generator like I have in my shed to charge your car your numbers would be worse than a 'Vette or Mustang of comparable power. But that's not typical. Don't get me wrong. I LIKE your car. I'm thrilled you are happy with it. I really like hearing about it's good and bad points, since I'm considering an electric or hybrid myself, despite the massive pollution from their raw materials mining & processing in greedy foreign lands. Eventually, those ecological disasters will get fixed, although I fear not until much blood has been spilled to depose the worst governments involved. And possibly an increase in background radiation, if China's Xi gets desperate. ( But more likely is entire cities and regions murdered by quieter means, like cutting food supplies. It worked for Mao. ) But none of the depressing stuff like that need trouble us here. Let us ignore the rest of the planet. It's less stressful. Still, you want lots of electric cars you need more power generation. Our population is increasing by immigration. All the new people, native born or immigrants, are going to want a place to live, with Heat and AC and internet and video and a way to charge their stuff. In the race between more efficient power use and more people demanding it, if you bet wrong, people die. Ignore the Rich People's Republic Of California and their power woes. Power and water policy there is a warning. The rich folk got theirs, so they stopped developing their resource management. Victor Davis Hanson does a great job explaining that mess. I'm not going to throw some entitled guilt trip at you. The "are you so privileged that you don't care if the poor don't have AC?" kind of crap is the tool of evil people who promote a zero sum mythology. I will say if we want to have a prosperous future we need more, cheap, power. Period. Electric cars are vastly improved from 20 years ago, when the best from GM had the same range as a 1910 car. Yea! I have hopes for super capacitor and new battery chemistry. After all, my dream toy is a motor glider, and a quiet electric motor would make it much easier to fly out of my back yard without annoying my neighbors. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Nice energy governor there in NYS! https://nypost.com/2019/12/02/andrew-cuomo-stands- with-americas-energy-enemies/ | ||
| Hootowl |
"So you are saying that people charge their cars at night when solar power is off and the heating demands are highest?" People still have electric heat? If you follow the Tesla strategy all the way (I don't, and likely won't. Ubiquitous implementation of this strategy will probably not happen in my lifetime.) you have solar and battery standby power. There were cases in California, during the recent planned blackouts (see rant below) where people powered both their houses and their cars for a week using solar/standby only. So it can work. It's just damned expensive. Their vision is to eventually use recycled/repurposed used Tesla car batteries for fixed equipment power storage, which will bring the cost down. A 70% battery isn't good in a car, but it's fine for stationary equipment. You just need more of them. You also don't have to use Lithium for standby power. Any first family metal will do. They use Lithium in cars because it's the lightest one in the family, except Hydrogen. Weight ceases to matter when you don't have to move it. It occurs to me that the power situation in California is akin to the story of Rearden Metal in Atlas Shrugged. Government makes it impossible to do business, then tries to take over the business. To wit, the clamoring by public officials to turn PG&E into a publicly owned utility after forbidding them from clearing brush from their right-of-ways, then blaming them for the ensuing fires. "I question how many actually do so. My Mom plugs her Prius in when she returns from the store. I bet that's SOP for most. Do you wait until a certain hour to plug yours in?" I do not. When I need to charge, which is not every day, I plug in as soon as I get home. But it doesn't start charging until 2AM. You see, these new fangled computers on wheels are programmable In fact, the latest update lets you select the time you want to leave in the morning, and the computer starts charging some time during the night, finishing just before you want to leave. It can also preheat or cool the cabin while plugged in to AC power right before your programmed leave time, thus extending your range. Holding a full charge isn't good for the battery, long term, so to increase the life of the battery, they've implemented the "leave at" feature. If I parked my car outside in the snow, I'd surely make use of it, if only for the cabin preheat. But if you only charge to the recommended 80-90 percent (depending on the model) for daily driving, battery health is not an issue. If your daily travels require a 100 percent charge, you should use the "leave at" feature to maintain battery health. Or don't drive an electric car. 300 miles a day is a lot of driving. If you can swing it, though, you'd save thousands in gas every year. "Sure, your car turns electricity to movement pretty efficiently. But that's the last step of many" It is. But those last steps are very efficient. I watched a video on Youtube about how that MPGe rating is derived. I will try to find it and post it here. Essentially, it's a multiplier that takes into account the energy required to harvest and transport fuel, turn it to heat, and ultimately move a vehicle. Extracting fuel and moving it to a gas station is massively efficient, on the order of 95%. Then things go down hill. Gas engines are, on average, about 20% efficient. So that's an 85% loss of energy from well to wheel. A natural gas power plant is about 40% efficient (please excuse me if I have these numbers off a bit, it has been a while since I watched the video) so from well to electricity, you lose 65%. Moving the power to the home, the battery, and then to the wheels is another loss, and I cannot remember what that loss was, but it was still, from well to wheel, twice as efficient as burning gasoline directly in the vehicle. The MPGe rating is what you multiply all those inefficiencies by to get the equivalent. 136 MPGe doesn't mean you get 136 MPG. I'm not doing a good job of explaining this; I apologize. I will find that video. "I'd bet a taco dinner that if you used a gasoline generator like I have in my shed to charge your car your numbers would be worse than a 'Vette or Mustang of comparable power. But that's not typical." Of course. I'd be using a 20% efficient engine (likely less - generator engines suck compared to car engines) to produce the electricity. That would be stupid. That said, were there a long term power outage in Houston (looking at you, hurricane Ike) that affected nearby superchargers, I would certainly use my natural gas standby generator to charge my car. Or I'd just drive my Jetta. | ||
| Hootowl |
Note: Generator engines don't have to suck. They could use intake tuning, valve timing, and exhaust tuning to make them really peaky and efficient at the requisite 3600 RPM wherein they operate. But they don't appear to. They look like lawn mower engines, with the carburetor stuck on the smallest/shortest manifold they could get away with and the same with the exhaust. | ||
| Aesquire |
Harbor freight cheapest Chinese possible, correct. Mom's Prius Prime doesn't care what time it is. Lacks the sophisticated thinking of your Tesla. I suspect the Leaf isn't as smart either. Rant on MPGe deleted. Using lithium in batteries is like using diamonds. There are applications where it makes sense. Airplanes, 2019 cars. And others where it's possible, but stupid. You don't use diamond tipped chainsaw blades to cut firewood. You don't use lithium batteries to store solar on a city size scale. You can, but it's ... You don't use Rolls Royce Merlin engines in your backup generator either. It's cool that Jay Leno has a hand crafted car with a Meteor tank engine. ( the Merlin variant made by Rover under licence ) And it's cool that rich people can afford solar panels and backup batteries. But few can. I can't. Not in my budget. The economy doesn't support it. Don't bother trying to con yourself an electric car is good for the planet. It's not. We are in that horrible in between state of technology. Iron acid cells from 1910 are less bad by orders of magnitude in human costs. Next year's aluminum nano tech will be better...maybe. Just enjoy the real daily good things of your car. If the tech doesn't sell now, the better tech won't happen. |
