| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/a_600 _fillup.html $49 a gallon tax on gasoline. I suppose that's one way to avoid being protested against. Only protesters bused in by a Billionaire like Soros could afford to show up. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.profbobsfunwithhistoricalstuff.com/2016 /07/joan-claybrook-and-safe-motorycle.html | ||
| Ducbsa |
I was sure that Clinton would bring her back for the NHTSA. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/the_c alifornia_blackouts_and_solar_power.html The biased fool who wrote this is wrong. Solar panels do indeed make enough power to kill a human being. Oh not all the time. But at peak solar around noon, depending upon angle of installation, there's enough juice to be a safety hazard. With solar panels on every roof/property that's absolutely killing power in a neighborhood. If allowed to back feed a shut down grid, there'd be all sorts of electrical weirdness, so it makes perfect sense to shut off the feed during a planned blackout. But would those safety switches function in an unplanned blackout? Logically, yes. The circuit has to be cheaper to just tell the system to shunt power to ground?, or shut off the panels?, when line voltage shuts off, than command systems that shut down individual homes or selected areas. That's a kind of safety system any intelligent engineer or regulator would insist on. ( although the latter breed is obviously nearly extinct in CA ) We have folk with Solar panels here. When/if you get power back, or if you are outside the California lawsuit zone, PLEASE let us know if my guess is true! If you had an automatic shutoff switch that cuts your connection to the grid, as required by law & common sense in properly installed backup generators, then it should be possible to have your solar panels or windmill or micro-hydro still feed your house. I know the off-grid folk who have such systems have switches ( probably manual, because of cost ) to protect household electronics and allow maintenance. My parent's pro installed backup system not only has boxes to cut power from the house to the grid while operating, it has delay boxes on the circuits to clothes dryer and AC to allow the generator to warm up to full power without a crippling load. Another question I have, is where is all that solar panel power going? Can't go into the grid. Doesn't feed the house. ( even if it didn't kill equipment with sags & spikes, folk would be complaining their Oprah only was on intermittently. ) My heat pump fried a computer board during a local ( storm caused ) blackout. Over $500 in parts. It automatically shuts off when it senses a sag/spike, then restarts after power Is restored and stable. But one spike/sag Got it. Is there heat involved? Will circuits only tested once, in installation, if ever, have corrosion resistance/issues? Seems like a million fire hazards out there, unsuspected? And... Where do those electrons go? Surely not fed to ground. Must be just shut off, leaving a potential loaded circuit in the shutoff switch box. ??? | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/the_r ebellion_against_reason.html | ||
| Chauly |
Patrick, I understand that a solar cell is similar in function to a battery, in that their power flow is stagnant until there is a load like a fully charged battery, then current flows. Sunshiney days would mean that should the output be connected to a motor, you would get more power, but if there is nothing connected, it's not like overcharging a battery. | ||
| Hootowl |
Solar is not directly usable. It’s DC. Typically, the cells freed a battery array, the batteries feed an inverter, and the inverter supplies the home. There’s a slew of charge controllers and whatnot that manage all that. Grid-connected home solar systems continue to provide power to the home when they are disconnected from utility power. What happens to a battery when there is no load connected? Nothing. It’s similar with panels. Voltage is produced, but there is no current flow. The electrons the photons kick out simply stay out, and no new ones are released. | ||
| Aesquire |
Battery piles are expensive items that off grid people need. Iirc, much of the cost. ( Battery backup sump pumps retail around $400. The battery is between $100-180. Battery arrays to power a house vary widely, how many Thousand$ you got? ) Utility connected solar has no batteries, just an inverted that feed AC to the power lines through a meter. Never mind the hype that utility companies may spend millions ( that they will charge the customers for ) on giant battery farms to load level intermittent power from wind, solar, and burning witches. That's an insanely expensive con job scam. I don't know that the panel power is available directly to the house it's on. That was my question. The article says that in CA an auto disconnect is required to keep from back feeding the grid. That makes sense, it's a vital safety feature. You are correct in that with the circuit broken there is no flow in a solar panel array, but there is potential, like a battery just sitting there. But there's still an energized circuit to the cutoff switch. You'd have to be stupid to touch a bare wire while standing in the rising water in your basement...  | ||
| Hootowl |
Why would you buy a backup power system that couldn’t provide power 24/7? I don’t have solar, I have a nat gas standby generator. If I had solar, it would include batteries. Batteries also level out those spikes you talked about. Seems stupid to do it any other way. | ||
| Sifo |
Why would you buy a backup power system that couldn’t provide power 24/7? Solar isn't typically sold as a "backup" system. It's a supplemental system. | ||
| Sifo |
Sometimes I just get skeptical about whether these people really believe what they claim... Climate Protesters Caught Hiding Gas Generator in Their Camp, Politician Says | ||
| Sifo |
Great "experiment" by Tony Heller. Compare the original temp. data, and the "adjusted" temp. data to scientific climate studies in the past. Care to place you bets on which one fails to match what scientists of the time were observing?  | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot, I'm talking about grid solar on house roofs and property, not big commercial arrays, or off grid solar, which, you correctly say, needs batteries. Lot of expensive ones. That's worth it if your cabin is remote, but in CA solar is/will be mandatory on new home construction. It's already fairly popular because of tax incentives among the upper middle suburban folk ( aka fairly wealthy anywhere else that's cheaper to live ) and those systems just feed the grid through a meter, not connected to the house, if I understand it. So you could have invested $50,000 in a Solar array, enjoyed the reduced electric bill ( even made a few bucks ) and now that the power is out for days or weeks, it mocks you. | ||
| Ducbsa |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/dai ry-cows-tangled-up-in-the-green-new-deal.php | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/10/13/extinc tion-rebellion-members-paid-400-per-week-to-shut-d own-britain/ Hail Hydra! | ||
| Hootowl |
If I’m spending all that money on solar, I’m spending a little more on batteries. Just me though. | ||
| Aesquire |
It's a different finance deal. The Solar sales company sells you a package with rebates and incentives and a loan, and they specialize in the standard grid systems. Mostly the salesmen talk about probably mythical pay off times and free power. I know we have a few members "cashing in on the Sun" and would love to hear the details I'm missing or wrong on. I've never priced the off grid systems. When I talk to the Solar Sales guys at Home Shows they say they can sell me one, but it's not in their catalog at the show. They'd need to site visit & make a quote on a custom engineered system. My guess is most remote off grid folk that aren't rich and just have a contractor build them a getaway cabin to spec, do most of the work themselves. | ||
| Strokizator |
I can't see the govt offering tax credits to go off-grid. Any excess power you make benefits no one. Plus, the thing that scares them most is self sufficiency. If you build out in the boonies, the utility company will only go just so far before you foot the bill to bring power to your house. You may end up generating your own power because it's the cheaper option. Then again you could be one of those doomsday guys. PG&E in Calif has a tiered rate system. The goal of home owners is to eliminate charges in tier 3 @ $0.50/kwh (?) where payback on investment is quick, not to completely eliminate all charges. Battery backup connected to solar panels is pricey. Besides the obvious cost and maintenance of batteries you have a transfer switch and it's associated mechanicals. Again, that portion of your system may not receive incentives or tax breaks. That's a lot of money to spend for the couple of days a year the power goes out. There are times you're using almost no electricity and times you're using a lot. Stand-alone requires a system big enough to run your A/C, well pump, microwave, etc., all running simultaneously while a system connected to the grid is sized for your average daily use. Huge difference. | ||
| Sifo |
I was talking to a co-worker about all of this early this summer. She has lived off grid for several years now. They had a solar system put together for their house by a local contractor that does this sort of thing. She said they were very disappointed with the results, and still ran a generator very often. Location may have a lot to do with that though. Up here at the 45th parallel isn't the best place to catch sunlight, especially in the winter. I think they had too many trees blocking the direct light during parts of the day too. Deep discharge batteries are not cheap either. You will need an array of these, sized to meet your household needs. Plan on replacing them every few years. Exactly how often will depend a lot on how often they get drained way down. I don't think all of that adds up to a good system for backup situations. Sure it can be done, but it may not make the most sense. It certainly isn't the bread and butter solar installation either. There's probably a reason for that! | ||
| Hootowl |
There are apparently quite a few folks in the affected areas with solar battery systems, and they’re doing just fine during the outage. Smart. | ||
| Strokizator |
"Quite a few" out of millions is statistically zero. IMHO, take the money you were about to waste on batteries and use it to check into a fancy hotel in SF or Reno (ok, not so fancy) on the odd occasion you lose power. You'll be money ahead. If blackouts became a frequent thing then it might be a consideration. | ||
| Hootowl |
I never claimed there were a lot of smart people. | ||
| Aesquire |
You guys nicely sum up the difference between the systems going up by mandate and desire to reduce your bill, taking advantage of incentives by the government, and off grid systems that are driven by necessity or a desire to unplug from Big Power. Note that the off grid folk, prepper or wilderness living fans, ( motivation doesn't matter, really. ) are not affected by the deliberate blackouts, anyway! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/california-turns-o ff-a-lot-more-than-just-the-lights/ | ||
| Hootowl |
Congrats to the Kiwis. | ||
| Ebutch |
 | ||
| Aesquire |
https://9gag.com/gag/ayoB5PW | ||
| Aesquire |
Heck, I loved Greta cursing out the UN. As my niece pointed out, "you may not remember being 16, ( I do, actually ) but I'm closer to that mindset, ( true ) and I understand the rage at authority when you are helpless to do anything." Really, I do. I'm an American taxpayer. One who was told by Congresscritters they wanted to steal my life savings and give me an annuity based on what they thought I should have, while they spent everyone's life savings on bribing voters, except, of course, the rich who bribed them, and themselves, who are above the law and mortal morality. And my new fake annuity would be paid by taxing me more, and her. Oh, yeah, I GET impotent rage. I admit it would have been far better if Greta's script had shamed the U.N. for doing nothing to help third world pollution while stealing from us to pretend to save the world. Instead of being written by & for the evil men stealing from us while pretending to save the world. But it's still fun to watch hypocritical scum applaud a mentally ill girl yelling shame on you. And that's HER chosen persona. Admittedly because of the evil thieves that sponsor her. They deserve eternal damnation, or at least prison. In Turkey. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-elitist -establishment-so-obsessed-meat | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2019/10/celebri ties-admit-theyre-climate-hypocrites-say-theyll-ke ep-being-climate-hypocrites/ |
