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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The sarc was for the sentence that followed regarding finding a place that serviced my other car.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2019 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And was in reference to this:

“You may want to check these guys out for future reference”

Which seemed to imply that my car would brick itself eventually, and I would not be able to obtain service from Tesla. Which is not the case. I have a 120000 mile warranty on the battery. My apologies if that was not your meaning.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/micha el_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hoc key_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_or dered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Late August. Mid-Atlantic region (typically stupid-humid, and 95+).

77 is today's high.

I'll TAKE it!
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2019 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/mic hael-mann-refuses-to-produce-data-loses-case.php

I'm grateful for the weather, too. I've spent the last week helping a couple move.

After 3 "last trips" today, I joked that I knew better than to tempt fate by declaring it the final time I'd see the old house, then launched into a humorous tirade doing just that, including every cliche perfect for invoking punishment for hubris by the Ancient Greek Gods, ending with the lightning craving "nothing could go wrong, now!" .

A mile from home & shower, his wife calls me to return for a forgotten item.... I could almost hear the heavens roaring with laughter. ( But it may have been a F-16 )

I deserved it. : )

The Mann-Ball lawsuit made me laugh too. ( but it could have been tragic )

When a self righteous um, fellow, uses the legal system to persecute multiple others who point out his lies, ( no alleged needed now ) to shut them up, punish them, and intimidate all who would dare challenge the Green Religious Revelation his work is the foundation of, gets ordered to pay the legal fees of his intended victim, it was occasion for celebration.

I look forward to other cases pending, most having gone on for years of ruinous expense, to see if there is a trend. I do hope so.

Quite a lot depends on facts & actual science guiding public policy. It has been increasingly evident that this has not been the case as multiple people deeply involved in this multi trillion dollar scam openly admit science, facts, and the environment have nothing to do with the Global Warming hoax.

When the author of the Green New Deal and the head of the U.N. Climate organization tell us exactly that, in plain english, yet politicians are still demanding those who question them on this subject be executed, we really have an existential crisis.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/berni es_greener_new_deal_putins_dream.html

And, in the proof that Obama never believed his own lies in Global Warming...

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/do- as-i-say-not-as-i-do.php

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/obama s_purchase_lavish_estate_on_marthas_vineyard.html

After repeatedly telling us the Oceans were rising he buys beach property on an island.

Perhaps he still believes he can order the tides to obey him.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-24/british- university-bans-beef-because-fashion-expert-declar ed-climate-emergency
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/fake_ news_phony_crisis_celebrities_spread_false_photos_ of_burning_amazon_rainforest.html

Hey! This was important stuff! During the Bush the Elder regime, before some of these folk were born.

It's a legitimate ecological disaster.

Too bad that sociopathic dishonesty has made these voices worse than useless to actually save the forest.

They've cried Wolf too often, too dishonestly, and now there is no reason to believe them.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/democ rats_dump_climate_change_debate_recognizing_its_wi ll_bomb_with_voters.html

Well if it won't help us win, just forget the Climate.

Pity. I was looking forward to it. I even had a list of lies for a drinking game. Just as well. My liver thanks the DNC.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/for bes-toes-the-line-on-climate.php
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2019 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanexperiment.org/2019/08/solar-p ower-increasing-pollution-north-carolina-according -utility-data/
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 06:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann's recent libel case loss where he was the plaintiff and refused to reveal his data would put a stake in the heart of the Climate hoax if we had an actual investigative press in this country/world.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Re: solar causing more pollution -

Adding solar to the grid is like forcing a car to drive in town with the constant start and stop of traffic instead of allowing it to drive in cruise control on the highway.

Perfectly logical. Hadn't occurred to me, but now that it's spelled out...how much more obvious could it be?
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is anyone aware of documentation supporting “the polar ice cap is melting?”
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sheesh, Court, there’s pictures taken at the end of every summer that clearly demonstrates that some ice has melted. They publish those in the winter, for
propaganda purposes, or compare them with pictures taken in 1970 (in February, but they fail to mention that) to provide the evidence you seek.
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They?

This is my quandary. I got lambasted by a group of vocal climate change folks.

I’m trying to find some facts.

So far .... both sides seem to hold tightly to extreme positions supported by no more than Twitter and these meme cartoon things.

They’re also assuring me trump will gave a mental breakdown within a year.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Facts are hard to come by in climate ‘science’. I would start with Tony Heller. He has a youtube channel. He brings facts. NASA graphs, newspaper articles. He cites papers.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’m trying to find some facts.

http://nsidc.org/data/bist/bist.pl?annot=1&legend= 1&scale=50&tab_cols=2&tab_rows=2&wcf=seaice_index& submit=Refresh&mo0=12&hemis0=S&img0=extn&mo1=12&he mis1=S&img1=conc&year0=2007&year1=1979&.cgifields= no_panel
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, August 26, 2019 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They’re also assuring me trump will gave a mental breakdown within a year.

I've been hearing that line since he won the election.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, www.realclimatescience.com & www.climate4you.com
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They’re also assuring me trump will gave a mental breakdown within a year.

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I've been hearing that line since he won the election.}}

That's called projection. Many on the left are having mental breakdowns. Many had them Wednesday after the election. If they are having a breakdown, certainly Trump is too, right?

Same as gun rights, and so many other issues. "I" feel that if "I" owned a gun, "I" would kill innocent people, so everyone must be wired that way too, right? So we have to take guns away. I can't manage finances, so neither can anyone else, so government has to manage it for us. Free education, health care, retirement plan, housing. The list goes on and on.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake:

Thank you.

Eager to start sorting through research material.

Court
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, Seniors have more time to do that sort of thing....
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tony Heller runs realclimatescience.com
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to engage in thoughtful, meaningful discussion or debate of certain topics.

Part of the reason is that online resources seem so peppered with various advertisements, pop-ups and extraneous crap that makes the website appear to lack credibility.

If I, as an example, want information on tariffs and try to print something out . . . the graphic of Trump dressed as Superman looks like a cartoon and supports the supposition that the information lies in a similar vein.

I've reverted to source documents for several things. Two that currently hold my focus are the Electoral College and Impeachment. I've listened to so many who know nothing about the genesis, background, function or true nature that I decided to forget everything I thought I knew and start from scratch.

Seems like all I have bought lately are law books and math books . . . hahahaha . . and Porsche and MG service manuals. No Buell owner, past or present, can ever be truly happy without a vehicle that fights back.

Things could be worse . . . .
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, here's the basic truth of Climate Change.

It's real. Just not like presented by the Cult/Con.

The world warmed up, then CO2 rose. Warm water can't hold as much, just like soda water. Time's arrow. Cause- effect.


Multiple times for a really, really long time.

The primary cause of temperature change is the Sun. For 2 reasons. One is fracking obvious.

The other is that lower solar activity reduces the charged particles in the Van Allen belts. Lower particle density allows more charged cosmic rays in. More cosmic rays give more nuclei for water vapor to form clouds. More high altitude clouds block solar heat.

CO2 levels MAY be already at saturation for trapping reflected & radiated heat from the earth into space. Thus more or less CO2 MAY Have no further greenhouse effect than presently. ( there is documentation, but it's considered Heresy by the Cult ) blue

Historically, when the Earth was warmer than today, and the best records are the most recent, around the heights of Rome, & roughly a thousand years ago during the Medieval Optimum & the Viking Exploration Age, storms were less. Weather was better in temperate regions.

When the Earth was cooler, the Little Ice Age, the time of The American Revolution, & ( to a lesser degree ) 1960-80s, weather was bad. Big storms, blizzards, crop failures, famines, plagues. ( boosted by poor nutrition, also caused by large scale war, as armies stripped the countryside for supplies. See the conquest of the Western Roman Empire in decay by the Eastern Roman Empire during the time of Emperor Justinian, by General Belisarius, followed by plague across southern Europe )

( History shows that warm = good weather. Cold = bad weather, the Opposite to Cult Claims )

Finally, the conceit that the temperature of the planet is SUPPOSED to be what it is today is ignorant hubris, or deliberate deception. ( depending on knowledge and motivation of folk who so say ) For much of distant pre-mammal/pre-history it was much warmer. ( of course, go back far enough and it was molten rock )

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/w hats-hottest-earths-ever-been

but for the last million odd years we've had the periodic Ice Ages with brief warm periods. See Vostok Ice core data. ( note CO2 rises with temperatures, cause -effect )

http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming-2/ice-core -graph/

https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/temp_vs_CO2.htm l

( By all means search for & look at more charts & articles on Vostok Ice Core data. The two above were just the top two hits in Bing, otherwise not selected for content or bias. !!!!!)

And RECENT history of temps.

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperature s.htm


Conclusion. Climate Change is real and always has been & will be until the Earth is swallowed by the Sun.

The leaders of the Climate Cult have admitted it's all about wealth and power, "changing the human political/economic systems. Not science.

References available.
End rant.

This has been a hobby study now for 40 odd years for me. I've been a glider pilot. And history buff. And....
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For source documents on the Constitution, Electoral college, etc. I suggest the Federalist papers.

Happy to engage in polite, reasoned discussion on topics I have some knowledge on. Sometimes will even admit when it's opinion.

Even willing to admit I'm wrong & change my mind. In fact, I desire greatly to know when I'm wrong.

I'd rather be right, than win.

Contrast that to..... Oh, the folk who want to jail climate heretics, for example. ; )
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff,

I would have noted that, but was clicking on the TV remote on character per click to post that. Hahah.

Court,

Check out the Latest from Tony Heller, the author at realclimatesciemce.com. He's doing some great work tearing into the data and the historical record.



https://youtu.be/H7lgKjvAqt4
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Speaking of Greenland...

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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now it all makes sense!

https://babylonbee.com/news/scientists-climate-cha nge-killed-us-years-ago-and-the-trump-presidency-i s-some-sort-of-lost-final-season-situation
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