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     Ebutch |
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| Sifo |
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| Gschuette |
Were you guys as anti-science with regards to the CFCs, vaccinations, leaded gas, etc? | ||
| Chauly |
What is "anti-science? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Science, by definition, is fact. Researched, proven, checked and rechecked. Environmentalism? Green new deal? Global Warming? Show me the facts. Show me the testing, show me the proof. Don't doctor the numbers, don't "adjust" the tables - show me the facts. F. A. C. T. S. What's that? Don't have any? Come back when you do. Till then, leave me the hell alone. If that makes me "anti-science", well...I guess I am. I prefer "pro-fact". | ||
| 86129squids |
Which scientists do you trust? Who has the best facts? | ||
| Aesquire |
Totally pro science. Vaccination? I love a good meme mocking the fools who believe a retired actress over science. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Louis-Pasteur Stuff that was radical in the 19th century, you'd think they'd teach in the 21st. Leaded gas? Bad juju! Although it's a loose correlation, lead poisoning at a low level since WW2 may have reduced IQ on a planetary level. Long rant on alternative fuels deleted to reduce boredom. ( just imagine a lead caused low intelligence insult here ) Freon? Interesting how it became evil when the patent ran out, eh? But research showed a lot about Antarctic polar vortex flow & that volcanic emissions can cause an Ozone hole. Does our Mobile One using fellow know it should not be used in his primary & gear box? ( it may dissolve the glue in the alternator ) Please correct me if I'm wrong. There. Science. I put forth a hypothesis. ( based on memory of a past post ) I put it up for peer review. If I'm wrong, they will tell me and I will change my mind. Others have conducted experiments, & I await feedback. And therein lies the difference. I could be wrong, the Watermelons never can be. That's Faith, not Science. If I disagree with your theory, I argue based on facts as I understand them. If you disprove my theory, I change the theory. Science. They demand conformity and seek to silence heresy. That's Faith. And there is readily available information that they change the data, not the theory. That's fraud. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/makin g_america_venezuela_the_left_is_coming_for_your_to ilet_paper.html Vincent, since they are willing to lie about toilet paper, what other lies have you bought into? Sandy the Taco Waitress/Planetary Ecologist demands we quit growing cauliflower and grow? Plantains? Yucca? Saffron? Papaya? Because cauliflower is Racist! Since she also believes she can change the climate by passing a Law, her stupidity is understandable, but not laudable. I await your reasoned defence with eager anticipation. Surely you are a rational person and can change your mind when shown who is lying to you to steal your freedom & property. Or make a convincing case for your beliefs. | ||
| Torquehd |
an Ozone hole is not possible. The Ozone layer is held to earth by gravity and it's a gas. If you could punch a hold through it, it would quickly re-equalize around the globe. Like punching a hole in the surface of water. Sure you can make a "hole" in the surface for a split second but, because of gravity and cohesion, water quickly rushes back in and the surface becomes the "flat" surface again. It may be possible to reduce the amount of Ozone in the Ozone layer but I'd have to see some real data on that. NOT "science" generated by institutions who are payed to publish opinions. Which brings us back to the question, which scientists do you trust? So far, every "science" outlet I've seen has an agenda and has sold-out to political lobbying. BTW, when I was a child and every hairspray manufacturer used "no CFC'S!" to try to sell you their BS, I didn't believe that the "Ozone" was even real. I'm still skeptical. There was a Star Trek TNG episode where the Enterprise visited some foreign planet and the local scientist/global-defenders used artificial emergencies to consolidate the citizen's trust in them. But, Jordi Laforge saw through it because of the science in his visor. I always assumed that the "Ozone" was the same kind of thing. That $#!t ain't real but it makes for a good emergency. "never let a good emergency go to waste". | ||
| 86129squids |
Funnin. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ozone holes exist. Antarctica has a big one regularly. Oh, I could note that the big crisis happened as the patent for Freon expired and Mexican plants were poised to flood the market as soon as they didn't have to pay royalties. And that you couldn't get a grant to actually measure UV hitting the surface that would show how bad the problem was. The science was settled. I have no personal information on how much or who got "campaign & charity contributions" to get the ban done on a planetary scale, so quickly. but if it was real, we fixed it. It cost billions of dollars to buy new refrigeration equipment and the chemical company made a large fortune, but we don't have to worry about it now. In fact, it seems to be a great example of international cooperation in a Grand Cause. ( aka the conduits for bribery and exploitation were fully established ) But Ozone holes? Yes. But understand that they happen in the dark. Ozone is constantly created by Solar radiation in the upper atmosphere. Chlorine gas breaks down Ozone, and it's a catalytic reaction so a tiny amount just keeps on poisoning the Ozone. Antarctica has no sunlight in it's winter. Thus ozone is not restored there, for months. Polar winds tend to keep the Ozone reduced area together, not letting in fresh ozone from sunnier climes. The same is true for the Arctic. But. The Arctic doesn't have an active volcano inside the polar wind vortex, spewing tons of Chlorine rich gases. Earth farts. Antarctica does. So they freaked right out when they discovered the hole there. It's seasonal. And you can't get sunburned during a month's long night. The chemical company said Freon would break down in the upper atmosphere and the chlorine released was the big problem. Quite probably true, I haven't irradiated ozone in a lab. What no one said, was that the replacement chemical would not break down. It was implied, and it you're in a position to test that, let us know. If the replacement chemical suddenly becomes evil when the patent expires it's a good bet it was either A. The ban was unnecessary, and a ploy to make billions. Or B. That they knew all along it was a problem and don't care as long as they get rich. Your guess is as good as mine. | ||
| Torquehd |
Patrick, I may be wrong about the ozone thing, but I can't even research what ozone is without being bombarded by "there is a hole in the ozone that evil humans created with their evil CFC's". | ||
| Chauly |
There's a theory about the removal of lead from our environment lowering crime rates since the early 90's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime _hypothesis | ||
| Aesquire |
That lead theory makes sense. It may be correlation without actual connection, but it's a good bet. I actually committed an international crime when I did the forbidden experiment. I filled a balloon with Freon and released it to fly into the sky and rip a hole in it. It dropped like... well, a balloon filled with heavier than air gas. Surprisingly fast. What did that prove? Nothing at all. If gases separated by weight in human compatible temperatures, we'd all be dead in the CO2 layer. molecular motion stirs it nicely. Release a bottle of some rare isotope of any "room temperature" gas in your backyard, ( so you can track it ) and in a few months you could find it in China and Belgium. Peru or Australia might take a few more months, because of how air flows on a spinning ball heated on one side by a nuclear lamp, and the South pole might take a year, ditto. In the story A Pail Of Air https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51461 The Earth freezes and the survivors have to dig below the Nitrogen snow layer to get to the Oxygen snow to melt to keep breathing. A little optimistic  but I once did the math on the "air lock" system in the story, for Physics class, and it would work. But back to Freon. I don't know for a fact that the whole thing was a scam. I do know the timing is suspicious, and that research on what levels and frequencies of UV hitting the ground were discouraged. I know that last personally, because I couldn't borrow the spectroscopic gear from the college to do so, and a skydiving buddy had his grant application turned down to do a survey at R.I.T. and was told basically to sit down and shut up. There was serious money being tossed around on the legal end, but on the research side, it was conspiracy theory inspiring taboo. None of that proves anything, but if it was a murder case, it might get a warrant to search a house for other than circumstantial evidence. This many years later? It would be an interesting subject for a News Editor to give a pain in the butt cub reporter orders to investigate. Someone you don't mind that much if he disappears. This notion gives new meaning to Publish Or Perish. | ||
| Ebutch |
Hey patrick what's the WindChill factor here today?  | ||
| Gschuette |
You guys are cracking me up trying to talk shit because I put Mobil 1 in a box when I signed up for BadWeb before I even owned a Buell. What scientists do I trust? Well, here we are 50 years since these guys and gals put a couple peeps on the moon. I believe their resume is a bit more polished that that of some right wing talking points site. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Chart one says it all, rate of change! Anecdotally,a friend in college moved down from Alaska and his stories about how much glaciers had receded in his lifetime made me start to question things. I've grown up so much since college though and the days when I entered Mobil 1 into a box. I now use Motorex and Bel-Ray in most of my bikes, I drive a used Nissan Leaf as a daily driver and even occasionally commute by bicycle. So I guess that makes me a communist or something? | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Sifo |
Well if the people who have been observed altering the data, repeatedly, put it in a chart, it must be gospel! | ||
| Pwnzor |
The flooding behind Hoover Dam is completely out of control. It can only be attributed to climate change.  It has to STOP! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/lefti sts_are_ignoring_settled_science_when_it_comes_to_ the_homeless.html We need to build a wall! Around Kalifornia. To keep the Plague out of the free States. I haven't seen any numbers on medical professionals fleeing Cali because of high taxes, energy costs, housing costs, and lower payment for services by the State Medicare. But it must be huge. In any case a real outbreak of typhus or bubonic plague would quickly overwhelm the health care system. Lots of kind hearted docs and nurses will stay until the end, but that just kills them when the patients overflow the Emergency rooms and bodily fluids run down the halls. There is some mitigating factors if LA has a real epidemic. Lots of suburban sprawl areas, like Orange county, have neighborhoods that follow a LA tradition, Gated communities. If you're from the rest of the planet, typical gated communities begin as elite housing with a wall around the block ( or multi block development ) with a human guard and substantial power gate. As they age, and the demographic shifts, first the human guard is cut, & residents use cards to enter. Then the gates are torn down, & other than the walls, it's a normal condo rich 'hood. Thus parts of the LA area are already set up for zombie apocalypse living. I'd expect armed guards to return, albeit amateur & mercenary, to hold the line & protect the communities. With, of course, extreme hostility from local government but benign neglect from local police. After all, the rich already have armed guards, and the pattern of selective enforcement is well established. But gated communities need a supply of food, water, and power. At some point truckers will refuse to enter plague zones in numbers high enough to cause shortages. Utilities will fail as repair crews and plant workers don't show up for work because of illness or their spouses insisting they leave town. This has the makings of a humanitarian crisis not seen in the Western world since the Black Death. ( killed a third of Europe ) No medieval cities have the population density of modern ones. The scale of disaster may approach the great deaths of India and China, which are not taught in American grade schools. There The higher Castes/Imperial/Socialist elites thought little about life of dead peasants, ( like Democrat Socialists here ) and there are cases of entire cities wiped out, and the memory of them erased from history. The difference is modern medicine and a Federal Government capable of providing aid. That is, it the refrigerator trucks carrying medicine are not parked in the sun to rot as has happened with corrupt and incompetent local governments here. ( including, but not limited to, Puerto Rico ) Troops in chemical warfare gear distributing food? There's a great Netflix movie or series in this horror show. But as things are progressing, it might be live action on location and "found footage". Maybe they can make a deal with Google etc. to use videos uploaded from the disaster area. | ||
| Ebutch |
(I guess that makes me Communist or something)    | ||
| Aesquire |
Hey patrick what's the WindChill factor here today? Prediction was 103? Haven't checked. Or left the A.C. today. It'll be cooler by the Lake. You'd think it was July or something. Btw, I used to work in Newark, but isn't it Newark-Arcadia for decades now? Nice town. I mean City. I've spent a lot of time cycling the canal path from Newark to Greece. At one point I knew every deputy in the county, because I bought my GS1100 from a local who's mom was a State Trooper dispatcher, and they'd pull me over to bust his balls. Multiple repeat conversations. "Hi, I'm Patrick, I bought the bike from Ron, I work with him, his Mom's doing fine, talked to her last week"...followed by a "be careful out there"... sometimes the same Deputy twice. | ||
| Aesquire |
Btw, I really want there NOT to be a plague. I don't want a human disaster. But the probability goes up every year, with current social policy. Is there a betting pool for LA? Plague, Earthquake, Volcano? ( I loved that terrible movie ) Maybe nuclear tsunami? There's a Syfy movie. Needs an ex porn star and a bit player from Northern Exposure. | ||
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| Ratbuell |
Well...on the note of the superflu...  Steven King got it pretty right, way back in '78. Grab a copy of The Stand - pretty well lines up with Patrick's post from 05:49pm up above. More than a little disturbing, in its accuracy and potential-foreshadowing of our current situation. The panel above is from a Marvel illustrated version of The Stand, about Captain Trips - the street name of the superflu in the novel. Curious a) if a typhus outbreak (or similar) actually WILL happen because of our unchecked migration problem combined with medical exodus from Kalifornia, b) if the Left will actually lie about it as shown in that panel, and c) how long it'll take for someone to assign the Captain Trips moniker to the whole thing. I agree - I hope it never happens. But we appear to be doing everything we can to encourage it. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The more that die from disease means the less there will be to exterminate. Let that sink in. | ||
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| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/07/every _time_we_have_a_little_heat_wave_the_media_acts_li ke_this_is_the_worst_one_ever.html | ||
| Sifo |
Antarctica Warmer 1,000 Years Ago… Now, *That’s* An Inconvenient Truth! |
