| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
https://www.realguns.com/articles/587.htm/ Rossi .454 review. | ||
| Aesquire |
I've done some research on .357 magnum lever action rifles. Thought about cowboy action shooting. There's a lot to like about having same ammo for pistol and rifle. New powders like Trailboss, wee donuts designed for the ancient black powder cartridges to prevent double loads have brought new, safe life to the old stuff. The size of the cartridge like .45 Colt makes it easy to load much more power than an old 1873 Colt revolver can take, not to mention conversion revolvers. They will explode in your hand if fed ammo loaded for a modern Ruger or other hunting gun. It's easy to double load Unique and other powders. Boom. Also small charges of modern powder can have wildly variable pressure in cavernous brass like .45 Colt or .44-40. So you have choices for pistol cartridge ammo and lever guns today that are great. Even .45 Colt which originally had rims too weak to function in lever guns are being made so you can have combinations that cowboys never had. So after looking at the field I chose either .45 Colt or .38 special/.357 magnum. ( cowboys didn't have the latter at all ) Research shows the Winchester clones don't do well with shooting .38 in a .357 without custom work and maybe not then. Marlins do function. Yes, there is a time range when Marlin quality dropped as they wore out tooling with no replacement in the later years, & it took a while for Remington to get things back to respectable. Lever guns can be just as picky or even more so than auto loaders on ammo. Especially in pistol calibers with straight wall cases, crimping and blunt bullets. The .454/.45 especially. Round lead & rounded flat point bullets are what the old guns are designed for. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Back in the beginning of my shooting hobby, I was plinking along with my .22 and an old guy sat down with a rolling block or falling block rifle that shot those 45-70 things. I remember that I just stopped shooting and watched that ancient thing (and person) do their thing. Here I was blasting through a brick of cheapo at an overturned 55 gallon drum and this old guy shot maybe 30 times in the same amount of time. I get the impression that the velocity was about the same from the sound of report/sound of barrel being gonged. My first gun club was cool. They had old washing machines and other crap out at the 100 yard line. They ended up being shut down due to some clown bouncing his barret .50 off of rocks beyond the berm and having the ricochets draining some kid's wading pool a quarter mile away. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"I've done some research on .357 magnum lever action rifles." Got my Ruger .357/9mm convertible Blackhawk revolver last week. Bought a Henry .357/.38 lever action to go with it today. The Henry is one of the most beautiful pieces of craftsmanship in black steel and black walnut I have ever seen. The trigger break is absolutely without creep and breaks so clean that I can't even describe it. G | ||
| Aesquire |
A great trigger is a treasure. | ||
| Rick_a |
Someone was telling me yesterday how terrible their 45-70 was to shoot. Perhaps not the best choice...then again, most have a steel, brass, or thin hard rubber butt pad. I love shooting slugs and buck out of shotguns, but those have big cushy butts. | ||
| Ourdee |
I like the triggers that you set with one then fire with the second one. My favorite trigger is the one I use on my bow. It is a "Like Mike" Set to minimum travel and weight. Adds real meaning to touching it off. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I like lever actions, bought a Marlin 1894 in .44Mag shortly after moving to Colorado in the mid 80s. Lots of fun and a solid brush gun. Loaned it to Dan when he went on a Texas pig hunt and he bagged the biggest boar of the trip with it. A few years ago I saw a brass Henry Mare's leg and fell hard for it. Ordered it in .44Mag also and gave it to the wife. win-win Z | ||
| Aesquire |
The recoil on a .45-70 depends on three things. Mass. The butt. A highly curved steel butt plate is far better for bashing in skulls than held against the shoulder. A flat shotgun style in steel isn't that bad. Best is a Packmayr rubber and no one but loons objects to them. One thing to be period correct. Another to be masochistic. ( oddly the period helmet liner I use from the 14th century is better by far than modern foam. It breathes. Linen with ribs stuffed with wool scraps. ) The third is ammo. Modern high velocity stuff including the fine flex tip pointed bullets for tube feed guns can approach rhino killing recoil. ( the bullet side of the equation is certainly rhino capable ) The black powder loads otoh give a firm push. Even the .50-70 Government load that preceded the .45-70 isn't unpleasant. More like a standard velocity shotgun than a 30-30. That's true with triple seven & pyrodex too. My .50-70 shooting buddy uses triple seven a lot, easier to find, much easier clean up. Windex & rinse with hot water. Then an oiled patch and oil wipe down of the exposed steel. Personally I rate the perceived kick in order. 7.62x39 .30-30 .45-70 black powder loads .308 .45-70 high velocity hunting. ( NOT suitable for old guns. Modern Marlin, Henry, Ruger #1 only ) Big fan of the Ruger #1. Elegant. Bank vault strong. Supremely reliable. ( and accurate if you know how to fit the fore end ) | ||
| Rick_a |
That's the way to do it. I guess one could always go ultra old school.  | ||
| Zac4mac |
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| Rick_a |
Checked out a Sharps yesterday. What a beast. No longer enthusiastic about that option. | ||
| Aesquire |
Too heavy? Too primitive? Cartridge or paper? I'm more of a Rolling Block guy myself. The Cowboy era has a great variety and an active shooting scene. Dress up, sure. But folk I know who do Cowboy Action Shooting love it. Lots of rounds down range & fun targets. | ||
| Rick_a |
All of the above...don't like the feel, balance, or operation. | ||
| Chauly |
Just imagine that it's a "rifle" from Turret #1 on the IOWA and plan accordingly... | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm a fan of the S&W break action revolvers. Quicker and more dramatic reloading operation than the fragile 1873 Colt. I also admit to a weakness for the outstandingly ugly British break action revolvers. A Webley being snapped open brings visions of Rorke's Drift and trenches under artillery fire. Exotic lands from Belgium to Singapore. And the altered to use .45 ACP imported models have fairly low prices because they've lost collecting value..... so you can shoot them guilt free. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I always wanted one of those Harrington break top .22 9-shooters. The last revision of those had floating firing pins so they were drop-safe. Hard to find those since they stopped making them as soon as the moronic Massachusetts gun safety requirements basically put them out of business. I think they only made that last revision for a couple of years. I think they were called model 999 or something. They earlier ones where the hammer has a big dumb firing fin sticking out scare me. I hate to think of bonking the back of the hammer on something and having it go off. | ||
| Gregtonn |
There's always the Ruger .22 ten shooter. http://ruger.com/products/newModelSingleSixSingleT en/models.html G | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
It doesn't open at the top and pop out the brass like the H&R job I want. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Had to do a little search... I have a NEF R92 Ultra that appears to be a later iteration of the H&R that Nate's looking for. My mom gave it to me when they moved into a retirement apartment. 9-shot revolver for .22 short, long and long rifle. Blued w/ walnut scales, swing out cylinder with extractor ring in the center. Nice little pistol, seem to be around $100 or less, even in immaculate condition. I haven't shot it but once but it was smooth and consistently on target. https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2014/07/01/3232443_03_nef_r92_ultra_22lr_9_shit_revo_640.jpg (Message edited by zac4mac on September 30, 2017) | ||
| Rick_a |
The Webleys in 45ACP have to be handloaded or they burst. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/britishmilitariafo rums/viewtopic.php?p=102881#p102881 Had not heard that. I assumed it unwise to use +p ammo and stick with light practice loads. Now I'm thinking reloading is needed. Not really a deal breaker. They are the bastard stepchild versions and very affordable compared to unaltered originals, which are zooming in price. Especially after any article in a big magazine. Cast bullets are cheap and Trailboss already at hand. The purpose of a Webley or Enfield is nostalgia. Even a light load is a useful defensive round, but the size and weight make it a poor candidate for concealed carry. One can only imagine the face on a mugger confronted with such a cannon, though.  But really it's an occasional plinker to bring back Afghanistan or Zulu war times without the danger of Mauser return fire. I'll keep it on my list to grab when I see a deal, but thanks for the heads up. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/10/sickne ss_of_the_left_on_display_in_reactions_to_las_vega s_mass_murder.html It's who they are. | ||
| Orman1649 |
Whats worse...a maniac shooting up a crowd or the vultures that want to push their agenda in the wave of such a catastrophe. I talked to some lefties about this yesterday as they were screaming for gun control not realizing that the full auto weapons he used were...ALREADY ILLEGAL. We need stupid control...not gun control | ||
| Macbuell |
Apparently he used bump or slide stocks added on to ARs. So not illegal. I wouldn't be surprised if those bump/ slide stocks are outlawed after this. | ||
| Aesquire |
The goal is completely disarming the citizens. Of course they'll try and outlaw it. It's probably paranoia to think that the Vegas murders are a planned attack on upcoming legislation. But only probably. Speculating so will certainly get you called crazy. Why, next you'll start doubting that a heavy weapons platoon with mortars decided to attack a Consulate on the spur of the moment because of a YouTube video, and claim an illegal arms smuggling operation was to blame. | ||
| Ducbsa |
"the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. " https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to- think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told- me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58 c702d2d975_story.html?nid&utm_term=.6fc4b8b19014 | ||
| Aesquire |
One of the most pro-gun books out there is by an honest statistician who began his study to figure out the best choice in gun control laws. Best way to control gun violence is legal ownership. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Obama's ATF https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/b ump-stock-device-received-atf-green-light-during-o bama-administration | ||
| Aesquire |
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/201 7/10/05/nothing-makes-liberals-angrier-than-us-nor mals-insisting-on-our-rights-n2390586 Funny. Accurate. |
