| Author | Message | ||
     Rpm4x4 |
So I am seriously considering buying a new RX. 2014s can be found with under 10 miles for around 3k less than 2017s. Logic tells me to buy a 2014 for less. Is there any reason to purchase a 2017 instead? Is there any real updates to the 2017 that would be worth the expense? | ||
| Froggy |
The 2014 isn't a bad bike, but 2017s have numerous little fixes and improvements. Nothing that can't be done to a 2014, but the savings will quickly disappear, biggest benefit of a 2017 is it will have a warranty. I've seen some 2014s that have a special warranty offered by the dealership or other 3rd party, but the 2016+ bikes are the only ones with a factory warranty. Among the little changes, one of the bigger ones is the clutch springs. The 2014 has stiffer springs, which many complained about as it does need a bit of effort to actuate than a typical bike. The 2015+ softer springs can be installed. There were some reliability tweaks too, like the tail section plastic is now two pieces, the 2014 single piece tails have been reported to crack. There was a bad batch of starters on 2014s, some had an undersized o-ring which would allow water penetration causing the starter to fail. The 2014 gauge clusters seem to have been made not as good as later years, many have bad solder causing failures. In addition, the interface on newer clusters is nicer with easier to see turn signal indicators and shift light, also better info from the onboard diagnostics. The software can be updated on the old clusters if it is sent to EBR. It is your call, neither is a bad bike. | ||
| Qurtrn10 |
MSRP for a '17 RX is either $14-15k and you should be able to find a leftover new '14 RX for around $9k, so the cost differential is a little higher than $3k. I agree with Froggy on everything he said with one amendment about the heavy clutch pull. Many '14 owners didn't want to go with the lighter clutch pull kit from EBR (which is now standard on the '16+) because of the potential for clutch slippage in racing or "spirited" riding. I personally prefer the lighter clutch pull and have it on both of my '14s, but some owners will actually prefer the stronger clutch pull of the '14. Anything the '17 has can be added to the '14. Lighter clutch kit is $165 (I think I paid $80 for install) Updated tail pieces are a few hundred dollars (if I remember correctly). Dash and ECM upgrade is free (you just pay shipping) I bought a brand new replacement starter for about $60. So for the difference in price, I personally would buy a '14, spend the money to update it to '17 specs, and have plenty of money left over for a warranty and (most importantly) upgrades! (Like the quick shifter, exhaust/race ecm, tail tidy, etc. (Message edited by qurtrn10 on January 22, 2017) | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Good info to ponder. Does anyone know if ulysses pegs will fit? I'm 6'4" and the ulysses pegs are what made the 1125r fit me correctly. Speaking of which, how is long riding comfort compared to the 1125? I just love my 1125 but the 1190 is just so beautiful to me. It's hard to resist. Also does the 1190 airbox handle being laid upon as well as the 1125? Sorry, lots of random questions. | ||
| Ljm |
I understand that the Uly pegs need modifications to fit, but EBR has drop pegs for the Black Lightning. One guy on the EBR Forum also used Knight Designs (pegs). Didn't say if they needed adjustment. For long rides, the RX is better for me. The 1125 had the plastic bodywork that stuck out beyond the seat and made my legs sore. RX/SX doesn't have it. | ||
| Froggy |
Comfort is subjective. I've done 600 mile days no problem on my 1125R and 1125CR, and have done about half that no problem on my 1190SX. I can't particularly say one is more comfortable than the other, but if you are happy with a 1125R you are likely to be happy on the 1190RX. The Black Lightning has 1" drop pegs, they should be plug and play once they become available. | ||
| 1313 |
I guess I'm the oddball then. (If I weren't already an early adopter of a 2014 1190RX) I'd proudly put my money on a 2017. Although truth be told, probably a Black Lightning... Of course, there is $$$ to be saved by buying a 2014. But what does buying a 2014 do to further EBR or LAP? If LAP is as sharp with business as I've gathered, the bikes that came with the purchase of EBR are skeletons in the closet. A necessary evil to dispose of, and only help to recoup some of the expenses in purchasing EBR. Now, what does buying a 2017 do to further EBR or LAP? Again, if LAP are sharp with business, they'd really be focusing how they run the business (how much investment they're willing to make, and how long they're willing to make it for) based on the sales of the products that have been built while they've owned it. I'm pretty sure that entities interested in purchasing a company as - how was it stated - a 'going concern' (?) would only be interested in the performance of the business since the new owners took the helm. EBR would also benefit more from a 2017 sale than a 2014/2015 sale as the support side of the business has something to (more) actively support. Data is generated from the new bikes being in the field. There's more activity at the dealership level. Honestly, I can't see any reason why I wouldn't choose a 2017 over a 2014. These are my opinions, and obviously they differ from most. I'm not a wealthy man, and $$$ is $$$, but I've always lived by the motto that I'm willing to spend my money when it does me (and what I care about) the best. That's my $0.02! 1313 | ||
| Terrys1980 |
The 1125 drop pegs can be filed down to fit the 1190. The plastic is a bit thinner on the 1190 vs the 1125. There were issues with mounting holes cracking but I think a lot of that was operator error when re-installing. | ||
| Crusty |
Brankin; I fully understand and support your position. I also agree with it in principal. Last week, I bought a battery from my favorite shop. I could have gotten the same battery for half the cost online, but I've been doing business with the shop for close to 45 years and want to see it stay profitable and in business. I put my money where my mouth is. However; I'm very seriously considering getting a leftover 1190 SX. I want to see EBR succeed, but it's looking like it's a choice between buying a leftover or buying nothing. There's no way I can swing the price of a new Black Lightning. So my dilemma is do I buy a leftover and ride an EBR, or do I not buy it and ride the Roadster? In my case, I think I'd rather ride the leftover. I'll still promote the brand to everyone who shows any interest, and nothing sells a bike better than a happy owner. So, while I'm not directly putting my money into EBR's current bank account, I'll hopefully be influencing others to at least consider buying one. And should I have an amazing reversal of fortune and win a chunk of change from the lottery, I'll be at the dealership putting down the bucks for a new Black Lightning. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Crusty, I may have your same predicament in a couple of months. I retired in January and plan to buy an EBR when my wife and I get settled with our home. I think buying a leftover bike is still a significant benefit to EBR. Clearing out the leftover bikes puts more EBR's on the road and probably makes the new company look better to prospective customers of new bikes. Servicing these bikes will provide work for dealerships and parts orders from the factory. | ||
| Ebrfan |
Reliable source told me last week that all the leftover RX and SX models LAP bought at auction are now sold and on the streets. Time to invest in EBR's survival by purchasing a new 2016 or 2017 model year bike. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ A search at cycletrader.com still shows plenty of 2014/2015 models at dealerships around the country. |
