| Author | Message | ||
     Rick_a |
The kid really wants me to get a Black Widow. I've always kinda wanted one, though it'd be more of a novelty.  I've about had enough of buying guns and associated gear for now. | ||
| Hootowl |
It's good to be king. | ||
| Reepicheep |
It looks like you can until you try and do it and if you don't understand it. Then you actually do it, and you realize you go through a background check when you buy it. If you buy or are given a gun without a background check and were not allowed to own one, two crimes have already been committed. One by you in taking posession, another by the person supplying you the weapon. It's already doubly illegal. Would making it triple-ey illegal help? Anyone know if the crimes are felonies? I suspect the possession part is, I'm not sure about the illegal transfer part. | ||
| Gowindward |
I guess technically you can buy the gun online....but you cannot get your hands on it until you go through a background check and have it transferred to you by a local FFL....the left omit/lie to fit their needs. | ||
| Mtnmason |
AH HA! You're wrong! If you have a Curios & Relics license you can have an SKS shipped to your door without filing a 4473! ...oh wait - the C&R license IS your background check... Nevermind  | ||
| Macbuell |
I thought the "Gun Show" loophole was just people buying a Gun from an ordinary citizen that owns a gun and wishes to sell it for whatever reason. I've never done that so I am not sure how it works, if at all. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Provided both buyer and seller are in and reside in the same state, they are free to sell. But if it turns out the buyer was a prohibited person, they commit a felony by possessing the firearm. And the seller commits a crime (not sure if it is a felony or not) for tranferring a weapon to a prohibited person. That's the gun show "loop hole". If two people commit crimes, they can illegally transfer a gun. There is no loophole. If you have a way to confirm that your buyer is not a prohibited person, you can sell without a background check. This is hard to do, so it is generally only done for *very* close friends, or for immediate family members, or maybe if somebody can show you a current concealed carry permit. Otherwise, people like me will say "if you want to buy my gun, fine, but do it through a FFL that will do a background check and I'll pay the $20". So it's not a loophole, it's simply acknowledging the potential to illegally sell a gun. I'm not sure that adding a third law to the two already broken would do anything. Though I'd have no problem with it. I wish the media and Democrats would stop insinuating the lies that there is a "gun show loophole". If these kinds of gun sales are happening at gun shows, all we did is make it really easy for the BATF and FBI to set up sting operations. Which is good, it is a cheaper way to put criminals in jail. | ||
| Mtnmason |
"This is hard to do, so it is generally only done for *very* close friends, or for immediate family members, or maybe if somebody can show you a current concealed carry permit." Actually, quite the contrary. I have both purchased AND sold probably no less than 10-15 guns of a variety of descriptions to perfect strangers. The transactions have taken place all over the Commonwealth of Va (haven't done any private buys/sells since moving to NC), usually by the side of the road, sometimes at my domicile, their place of residence, various gas station parking lots, etc. Here is my protocol if I am selling: Buyer MUST present valid state ID and either a Concealed Handgun Permit or valid Voter Registration Card (I prefer a CHP) AND I always write up a Bill of Sale that includes his signature, my signature and make/model/serial number of transferred weapon. Eazy peezy. If you live in Virginia, here is where to go for all your "loop hole" transfers: vaguntrader----dot----com (Message edited by mtnmason on July 15, 2016) | ||
| Aesquire |
Under current law in NY, all the guns I have given as presents to relatives and close friends would be illegal transfers. I dumped my little collection when the new Governor was elected, since I had seen his act as State AG. I admit it was over a year before he passed an emergency bill at midnight with no comment period in total secrecy to screw us. ( Written by Bloomberg flunkies ) Pistols, naturally, did get paperwork, done all right & tight. In NY carrying a pistol not on your permit is a major no no. But I had stuff like a Mossberg 500 Combo pack, NIB, that I gave to a buddy who wanted to try deer hunting, and a Bushmaster Varminter to a buddy's son when he graduated Marine training. ( Last I heard, his Sgt. tried it at the civilian range off base, and wants to buy it. I'm sure both Marines & the Rifle, are better shots than I am. Sub MOA all day long when I did my part ) Not a lick of paperwork on all of the long guns, but all were gifts to people I'd known for years or decades. When you can't give a shotgun to your Brother/Sister/Son/Daughter I'm pretty sure "Infringed" is the word. And F*&^ Politicians. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Selling to a concealed carry permit holder? No problem, they have had their background check and evidence of training. No problem. I'd never take the risk of selling to somebody I didn't know really well just based on a voter registration card though. The risk would be WAY to high for me, both morally and legally. What is the legal penalty for providing a weapon to a prohibited person? Anyone know? I don't mind looking it up if nobody does. I'm curious now. | ||
| Court |
I still laugh about the time I bought 10 Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Stainless steel pistol to give to customers as holiday gifts. Rusty's sporting goods had a killer sale and they were perfect gifts for a couple of my buddies who were off shore sport fisherman and used them to take the fight out of large fish as they were landing them. In those days . . . I don't recall any paperwork, other than the store receipt, being involved. I have no recollection of who I gave them to (thank you to Lois Lerner for making that now a viable defense to stupid actions) but am confident they are all being used responsibly. | ||
| Court |
And I . . . if questioned . . . would . . . predictably respond . . "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?" I've learned so much about the legal system from politicians. | ||
| Ducbsa |
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| Rick_a |
Took a picture contrasting some old (1952, 1980, 1954) and new (2013, 2015, 2009) S&W revolvers. The older guns have their charms and feature a higher degree of craftsmanship, though the new guns are quite serviceable and very precisely machined.  20160714_191348 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr | ||
| Thumper74 |
I have sold a few guns online to local buyers (armslist) and at gunshows. I won't sell to anyone without a CCW for our state. I know they're legal. They know I'm legal. | ||
| Rick_a |
For online sales, I've used Gunbroker. If someone local gets it that's fine, but with good pictures and description it'll get the most $$. I haven't sold a gun for several years now and don't plan to. Everything I've sold I'll eventually replace with something similar I like better, anyway. | ||
| Rick_a |
Carry trio.  20160718_074717 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article89859 017.html ...many African-Americans now see gun ownership as an important civil rights cause We all do. Black Americans have been the target for over a century. We need to let the Black population know exactly WHO has been their oppressors. The SAME ones for over 200 years. | ||
| Rick_a |
Unfortunately the only history some people see is what is taught, what's in the media, and what our revisionist politicians tell them it is. They love to re-write history to suit as they go. There are many examples in the past decade that expose the true nature of "gun control." People are willfully ignorant, and more and more of our young generations are taught to see guns only as vile despicable killing machines. | ||
| Torquehd |
Well the wife wanted a compact for an anniversary present, so guess what we got. M&P Shield 9 mil. Only holds 8 rounds.... it sure tucks nice under a belt but if I'm only going to carry 8 rounds I'd rather have my 1911. The trigger pull is surprisingly heavy for such a little SA gun. Good thing I guess since the only safety is the compound trigger mechanism, whatever they call that.  It's a nice gun. For a girl. Ended the day at the range with gratuitous plinking with my "assault" 10/22. Man that's such a fun little gun.  It really needs a holographic sight. | ||
| Rick_a |
Your "assault 22" looks like a fun girl gun, too.  My wife's Shield shoots pretty damn well for a cheap little gun. While I prefer my 1911 (the trigger is certainly better), the Shield is a more practical choice for most people. | ||
| Reepicheep |
A red dot sight, even a cheap one, is no end of fun on top of a 10/22. Aim Surplus had some for $35 or something many years ago. I bought one, I should have bought more. | ||
| Torquehd |
It can be a girl gun, that's fine with me. It's not a "go to work" gun. I've got plenty of those however (well, "plenty" is never enough!). | ||
| Zac4mac |
That trigger is NOT a safety, it's "child proofing". My Shield 9 has a thumb safety behind the slide lock. There is also a 7 round clip that is shorter. The Shield9's main claim to fame is its thickness, or rather its thinness; it hides well. | ||
| Torquehd |
I don't see how the compound trigger could be a "child-proofing" at all, as if a child pulls the trigger, the gun will fire. I'm new to these little SA guns with no external hammer, I assumed the compound trigger prohibited the striker from being able to function unless the trigger was pulled, as the danger with SA guns (used to be) that they could fire if dropped or slammed (didn't that happen to one of the famous gunslingers of the wild west, he dropped his gun and it went off, and he said he'd never carry another SA pistol again?). If that's wrong please let me know, like I said I'm new to these little SA pistols and I'd rather know than assume. | ||
| Torquehd |
I know this is a gun-centered thread but I wanted to insert this, as it's defense related.  The Spartan Blades "SOC-P" knife. It was made to be a transition tool for soldiers in CQB. You keep it on your kit close to center-mass where you can grab it with either hand. If someone grabs you, pins your gun down, whatever, you just slip a finger through the loop, stab until they let go and you can make space, then present your main gun or your sidearm to engage. BUT, it's really an ideal self-defense knife. I hang it inverted on my belt loop, close to where my arm naturally hangs. It's inconspicuous, low-profile, and it's the quickest drawing weapon I've ever handled.  Knife laws vary widely by location. Doubled-edged knives are illegal to carry in some jurisdictions. And some jurisdictions either permit, or have a gray area for any knives under 3", as this one is.  The ring loop for your index finger is super user-friendly, not only does it give you positive control, but it's designed so that it can stay in the palm of your hand as you transition to your weapon (no need to re-sheath). Just watch out so you don't stab yourself if you're carrying concealed. | ||
| Aesquire |
Make that ring a bottle opener and it's perfect. The only child proof gun is in a safe. The safety shoe/blade on triggers is a drop/impact safety to lock the firing pin. On a 1911 clone.... that safety feature is varied by year & brand. Pre-70 series Colts had none. 70 series used a trigger activated safety. Many gunsmiths disliked it because it has more surfaces to hone & keep in proper engagement. So a creepy trigger pull. Newer versions are better made and smiths understand it better now. Ruger uses a light weight titanium firing pin. Prevents inertial firing fine. Kimber uses the grip safety and the trigger pull is uncompromised. ( I forget the designer's name. He deserves credit ) Some clones have no firing pin safety. That's on an over century old design. The wide range of hammer & striker fired semis use a bunch of different approaches. From long stroke DAO on a Kahr to Glock's blade in trigger. You can & must practice & learn to conditioned reflex whatever system you carry. | ||
| Rick_a |
Childproofing a gun is having complete control of it or properly stored while a child may be around. I cringe every time I hear someone say that they buy hand guns with safeties because they have children  | ||
| Rick_a |
Not much in fixed blades here...at least that are practical to carry daily.  20140729_151354 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr That little push dagger on the top right was my first daily carry knife. These followed, and are still the ones that are with me most.  20130927_115944_Richtone(HDR) by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr The last things on my blade list are a Balisong and an inexpensive Katana.   | ||
| Torquehd |
Rick I love your combat knife collection. And the Alice pack. The army stopped issuing them just a couple years ago. I HATE the MOLLE replacement. Luckily Alice packs are still standard in my unit. |
