| Author | Message | ||
     Jrad012x |
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/podcast/two-enthus iasts-podcast-episode-19-debunking-buell/ Didn't see this posted. Asphalt & Rubber (Jensen Beeler) 1+hour podcast on EBR/Buell. Critical and opinionated view on EBR/Buell which I am sure will stir up a lot of opinions on here. Worth listening to get an outsider's take on EBR/Buell. Enjoy! -Jason | ||
| Court |
I just listened to the entire thing. It's entertaining and fun to listen to but factually flawed in regards to a number of issues . . . starting with Jon Britten (who they appear quite clueless as to the facts) and the simply (roughly 8th grade) physics of the single front disc. They have nice radio voices. | ||
| Froggy |
I don't hold A&R in high enough regard to get facts right. | ||
| Court |
Wow | ||
| Court |
Their information about potential investors, HERO and the use of funds is 100% inaccurate. | ||
| Dennis_c |
I would rate them 25% accurate and that's being nice | ||
| Court |
I'd go along with 25% on the high end. The part that most aroused my curiosity had nothing to do with Buell or EBR but their embarrassing lack of understanding of simple principles of business and physics. They also knew nothing of Hero . . . . Either he company or what Hero was buying from EBR. | ||
| Jrad012x |
I agree with everyones opinion. I just tend to try to keep it neutral when listening to others opinion. They come off with an immediate and continuous biased opinion throughout this podcast. This was proven by one of them have a huge passion for Ducati and nothing else. They never use factual information and it was all opinion based, which is scary as they are a bigger online motorcycle blog. I like how one of them said they did the math and physics on the single disc system but never back it up with data. They supposedly knew some people that raced Buell and EBR with some insider information though. Either or, it was good to hear what non-informed Buell/EBR people think and this is the stuff EBR has to overcome somehow. -Jason (Message edited by jrad012x on April 09, 2016) (Message edited by jrad012x on April 09, 2016) | ||
| Snacktoast |
They come off with an immediate and continuous biased opinion throughout this podcast. This is part and parcel for most things A&R. This was proven by one of them have a huge passion for Ducati and nothing else. Bingo. They never use factual information and it was all opinion based, which is scary as they are a bigger online motorcycle blog. One of the main reasons I only read their site a handful of times. Too much biased opinion on many things, and sorely lacking factual data to backup their opinion. I like how one of them said they did the math and physics on the single disc system but never back it up with data. See previous response. I would like to thank you all for sharing your opinions so that I'm not actually enticed to listen to yet another botched attempt at journalism that is "reporting" on things Buell/EBR. I've come to expect that many (not all) of those reporting on the brand(s) often doesn't have the facts. | ||
| Mackja |
I find it hilarious, when Duatista talk crap about other bikes, I mean really!!! HAHAHA! Quite ignorant about the bikes, granted at the top level of racing the brakes do have an issue, there understanding of the fuel in frame was just totally wrong, and since when did an 1125 or 1190 have oil in the swing arm. And of course there was the unfair 2009 DMG issue, they conveniently forgot to mention the Buell had to carry extra weight, or the fact that Aprilia RSV 1000 was also raced in the series with no success at all. | ||
| Xb9er |
I made it 25 minutes into the podcast and had to turn it off. These guys have false facts and are informing folks with a biased opinion. No wonder they have limited followers on social media. Burnt hands and time consuming swapping out the front wheel? Rrrright. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
It seems that these Ducati lovers forgot to mention that when Nico Canepa switched from Ducati to EBR for the 2015 WSBK season, he said the EBR's chassis was better than the Panigale...... He also said that the ISO braking system was helping the bike corner better compared to the 2disc system..... but the braking power of the ISO was not as strong as the 2disc....... that perfectly sums the argument over the performance of the ISO brakes....... like any other component on any motorcycle ot has advantages and disadvantages ........ My personal opinion is that the ISO system has improved dramaticaly since the first ZTL (better pads, airscoop), and is now pretty good for stopping and simply the best for cornering ..... it is also "tank slap" proof which is really impressive ! | ||
| Buelliedan |
He also said that the ISO braking system was helping the bike corner better compared to the 2disc system..... but the braking power of the ISO was not as strong as the 2disc....... that perfectly sums the argument over the performance of the ISO brakes....... like any other component on any motorcycle ot has advantages and disadvantag for every action there is a reaction!! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Even that seems like a stupid statement from a physics standpoint. Just about any sportbike made in the last 20 years can completely flip at any speed with two fingers. That absolutely includes a fully laden Ulysses with full luggage and a fat 6'2" rider trying not to die when a corolla failed to yield (DAMHIK). I hit mirrors first doing a stoppie. So it's not a "braking power" question. Though it might be "repeated braking over short time interval" problem. Even that needs a lot more precision. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Canepa also went slower on the Kawasaki he switched to after EBR went under. I guess by A&R thinking that means the Kawasaki must be really awful... | ||
| Classax |
I found it to be full of biased 1/8 truths. The ISO requires is a different approach to the same problem of getting the machine to handle as a whole. I hate it when people in an industry who should know better use language that contributes to incorrect perceptions and these guys were full of it. Canepa was slower on the bike he got on after the EBR. As the only EBR ridding member of the Ducati Club of Houston, I find it funny when people talk about quality or fit and finish of Italian products. The stuff that comes out of the Oscar Myer plant is spotty and you had better hope your bike was built when they were having a good day. Same for the Apes. I think the ZTLs require a different approach to ridding. The EBR corners like a 250 but out drives just about anything at exit. It runs out of revs down long straights which is the only place it is vulnerable. I'm a crap rider and while 1299 is flashing its nannie light and leaving darkies, the RX out drives it on exits while floating the front wheel, no TC required. As for braking EBRs are not really your typical point and shoot machine. Think more Lorenzo and less Marquez, meaning go deep and trail to apex as opposed float the rear, then turn in and hope for the best. It trades initial bite for linearity and feel. What it really needs is a goldilocks pad material to solve a lot of the problems. To me its a bit silly that the M50 have been given so much initial bite that we now need cornering ABS. When was the last time you saw a Buell/EBR tuck the front. Almost never happens because the system gives you the linearity to modulate it with feel to stay on the threshold. The one thing I will give them is their assessment of LAP's business plan I hate to say and hope I'm wrong is hard to argue with. As for Erik being a poor CEO, no one is good, let alone great at everything. Did he make some huge mistakes in my opinion? YEP. | ||
| 86bgn |
At first, after listening to this, I was going to basically rip these two on pretty much everything they said.... But the problem is, they will always be critical of most anything Buell, and you can tell. They even said it themselves, when talking about the red, white, and blue bike. They know what this country was built on, and how it has started to deteriorate from that. In my eyes, they are part of the problem because instead of finding every great thing that separates EBR from the rest, and taking care of our own, they rip on EBR and sympathize with the Indian company Hero. Erik Buell has bigger nuts than either one of them put together. On a end note, I like the brakes. |
