| Author | Message | ||
     Tpehak |
Hello BadWeB. I started similar thread in BuellXB forum. Is there any EBR engineers in the forum or staff from EBR who has access to the EBR 1190 CAD files? I am looking for the full CAD assembly model of the 2014 EBR 1190 (preferably SX model). I am going to investigate the CAD model and see if I can create some modifications for the motorcycle for personal project, I have some ideas about it and the CAD model is very helpful. I still do not have an EBR 1190 but I'm assuming to buy one. I do not care about file(s) size, but I would prefer lightweight CAD assembly. Any CAD format is acceptable for me (Parasolid, IGES, STEP, SolidWorks files, CATIA files, Unigraphics NX files etc), I can clean and convert the files to the file format I need with no issues (but Parasolid is preferable). Please let me know If someone has email contacts of the people who worked or who works for EBR so I can contact and ask them. I see the 1190 RX/SX CHASSIS PARTS LIST document has pictures and illustrations wits CAD model. So maybe the person who made this documents can share the CAD model? Maybe another way I can find some CAD files is to ask Pegasus Race Team and Gruner Engineering guys to share the files they used to create the Erik Buell Racing 1190 RRB Typhon motorcycle in 2010. EBR shared some CAD models with them for the project. | ||
| Fotoguzzi |
do you really think they'd share that for free? | ||
| Tpehak |
Why not? I'm going to do some mods and share my experience here and there, and this is a good practice to improve public relations. EBR needs to be more popular, people see more crazy EBR stuff --> people love EBR --> it is good for business. | ||
| Snacktoast |
I think you're dreamin' if you think any company is going to share their CAD models through a public forum or otherwise. If you think they should do this to "improve public relations", I'm not sure you realize how much time, money and energy go into vehicle design. | ||
| 1313 |
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| Tpehak |
Hello 1313, I sent you a private message. Is this the CAD model or polygonal 3D model? Thanks! | ||
| Court |
Most the work is in ProE and Think3. EBR (and Buell) has shared nothing with any outside entity including Pegasus Race Team, nor will they. I've got digitized prints from the "old" days and even with those there is nothing good that could ever result from sharing them. | ||
| 1313 |
Is this the CAD model or polygonal 3D model? I have absolutely no clue. What I posted was simply a flat 2D JPEG image. Just an image that I saved from some online search I did back when I had the time to do such things, I guess. Interestingly I only had the image on my phone with a timestamp of 2014-06-13 12:52. Interesting for one that it was a Friday the 13th. Interesting for two that it was the day before I bought my 1190RX. What could be more American than buying a world class American product on Flag Day? Sorry if it appeared as though I lead you on. The point is that no company (EBR included) would share this type of proprietary information with anyone outside their doors unless there is a valid business reason for doing so. And for everyone else who thought I actually had something like this CAD info (with nothing more than a Windows 8.1 upgraded Windows 10 laptop...), thanks for the 'hate mail'. It's always good to know that one is 'loved' or 'loathed'...  1313 | ||
| Court |
Hahahaha . . . Brankin you are still loved ! I saved cases, cases and more cases of diskettes, ZIP drive disks and hard drives with all sorts of stuff on them. But many of the files, and program proposal booklets, are labeled CONFIDENTIAL There's no expiration date, even on the old Loki files, so I still treat all the build files, databases and internal info and confidential. I also have a couple cases of experimental and prototype parts . . . mostly good ideas that never gained traction. Releasing ANY pre-production or design information is an invitation to trouble on a number of fronts and would be ill advised in any field. | ||
| Crusty |
Would this be on a par with Erik giving me his Bank Account information and password? I really am a Nigerian Prince with a need to hide 50 Million dollars.  | ||
| Phelan |
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| Slaughter |
I am always amazed at how little value some people place on others' intellectual property. Ask Erik and the Thunderbolts to play at your local city park because of the "exposure" you'll be giving them... of course, you'll be re-arranging their music to suit your taste but you'll be giving them the exposure they "need." I just don't understand... not at all. | ||
| Tpehak |
It looks like this guy was working for some Buell stuff http://www.coroflot.com/westone/portfolio Hi has the portfolio with Buell parts http://www.coroflot.com/westone/Powersports . Mostly old models XB and 1125, but I see the front wheel implemented in the 1190 and body plastic CAD models had not been fully implemented in the final 1190 product.   (Message edited by TPEHAK on October 19, 2015) | ||
| 1313 |
Ed Weston is a former Buell Motorcycle Company employee. Former employee = valid business reason... | ||
| Airbozo |
Well, the open source model works for some software and hardware companies, but not sure it would work for a motorcycle company. Although it would be nice to have some of those models if you wanted to build accessories and mods. | ||
| Phelan |
The stuff you posted is Buell IP, not EBR. Those CAD models are to the Barracuda. | ||
| Skntpig |
Most custom accessory companies begin with acquiring a test bike and measuring for prototyping not with manufacturing cad files. Call Lamborghini and ask them for the cad files to replicate their machine. I'm sure you would get the same answer. | ||
| Red93stang |
The automotive market is totally different. Most of your performance parts are built from manufactures CAD files. We are members of SEMA and have developed parts from many automotive manufactures. A request is sent to SEMA and we usually have the files within a 24 hour period. Its my choice whether I want to replicate the part and risk loosing our business or continue to use their files to continue to build my business. Not a hard choice in my mind. I have no idea how the motorcycle industry works and don't want to take sides in this argument. Just here with my popcorn. | ||
| D_adams |
Yep, that's how I started. Bought a $19k bike, took it apart and started fitting exhaust tubing. Took a while to get the tuning process started, but it's almost completed now. | ||
| Skntpig |
Dean, I'm guessing your investment paid off in grins and potentially some $ as a bonus. I'll be calling you soon for my second Deandesigns pipe. I have a few hand-made parts on my S1 and they all began in my...um hands. It would be cool to load a file, modify it to your liking and hit the print button. | ||
| Airbozo |
"Most custom accessory companies begin with acquiring a test bike and measuring for prototyping not with manufacturing cad files." Agreed, but imagine how much money you could save on prototyping and production if you had access to those models. The resultant parts should be cheaper too. The automotive industry seems to have some standards in place an that started mainly due to collaboration between the companies. The computer industry is a great example of how this works. Standards such as motherboard layout and slot design are the reason parts keep getting cheaper. There are holdouts of course (Apple), but they are coming around. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Giving certain CAD files to entities that have a valid business related reason to have and use them (i.e. the aftermarket parts SEMA converstaion above), is vastly different from sharing them to the public, no matter if it's the moto or car world. | ||
| Slaughter |
Agreed, but imagine how much money you could save on prototyping and production if you had access to those models. The resultant parts should be cheaper too. This is the same logic used by consumers who value the "economy" of Chinese knock-offs. | ||
| Airbozo |
"This is the same logic used by consumers who value the "economy" of Chinese knock-offs." Seriously? I go out of my way to buy American made first and Chinese made last, but fail to see the correlation. Chinese made knockoffs are not cheap only because of labor costs. They use substandard materials and production methods. They also duplicate one manufacturers products (in most cases on the same production line) and sell them at a discount. Having access to a cad model still takes the effort to make a quality product. Having the "open source" model also levels the playing field so not just the companies with deep pockets can afford to manufacture a custom part. Sure you can buy a new EBR, strip it down and measure every part, or if you have access to it, use a 3d digitizer on each assembly, then you can start to design your product. | ||
| Court |
>>>They use substandard materials and production methods. Sometimes, yes. But . . less frequently that during the times were were learning all those "Chinese crap" slogans. Don't get me wrong . . . . I buy as much American stuff as I can . . some of you recall the story of me buying up the remaining inventory of MADE IN USA Vice-Grips when Irwin moved production to China . . . but I've also learned, specifically in the case of Mexican made Fender guitars and the Chinese EPIPHONE guitars. I bought a couple Epiphones to test the things I've been hearing. I have a $4,000+ Gibson Hummingbird and a $299 Epiphone Hummingbird. It's fun to challenge folks to try, blindfolded, to tell them apart. By the way . . . that was not true 10 years ago. The Mexican starts were puree crap. I'm particularly disturbed as I build this cross country power line that ALL of the parts and pieces are marked Japan and China. | ||
| Hootowl |
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| Airbozo |
"I'm particularly disturbed as I build this cross country power line that ALL of the parts and pieces are marked Japan and China." Agreed with the Mexican manufacturing. It's come a long way in 10 years. Lots of north of the border investment helped with that. Two of my suppliers moved longtime businesses from California and Arizona to Mexico. Took half their employees with them. The difference between Japanese and Chinese manufacturing (in my experience), has to do with pride. |
