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     Sifo |
Rick, thanks for that info. I'll have to take a good look at what's going on with the extractor. I'm not sure why changing the OAL slightly longer would solve an extractor issue. Who knows though. This summer has been a very busy one, and shooting has been a lower priority than other matters. My understanding is that STI is pretty good with resolving issues like these, but it just hasn't been enough of an issue for me to bother with sending it in. Reep, I assume you at talking about a .45 ACP. Mine's a 9mm that has several deviations from the original 1911 design. | ||
| Slaughter |
I said the same thing after my 3rd FAL rifle... and 4th and ... I THINK I'm up to an even half dozen with two more waiting assembly. | ||
| 1313 |
First BadWeB thread to be blocked by my work's filters. Tried it twice today at lunch and both times got the blocked message. Fortunately I was able to continue my normal lunchtime BadWeB perusal! 1313 | ||
| Aesquire |
On the idea of faster rounds penetrating deeper, that often doesn't hold true. With hollow points, yes. Faster equals opening faster, giving more energy transfer faster, and often less penetration. The Federal ammo has a food safe polymer blob in the tip, over the lead core, and under the pre-cut full metal jacket. Unlike a hollow point it does not depend on fluid flow to expand. A hollow point can get clogged with plaster, leather, cloth, etc. turning it into a non-expanding slug. The PowRBall has a hollow point core, with a polymer ball under a jacket as well, but is assumed to work by using the ball to expand the hollow point, and tend to shed their jackets. The Federal Guard Dog flattens out on impact, and the jacket material forms a X shape and stays with the rest of the bullet, although sometimes it will shed a "petal". It does that in wood, plaster, gel, does not care. If it goes faster, it goes deeper. ( the LEO version is loaded hotter, to go deeper ) The important part to me, I want the bullet to stop after only a few walls, and not penetrate outside walls. I also want good expansion, even if the target has a thick jacket, and consistent performance. Guard Dog does all that well. What it doesn't do, is penetrate all that deep, and it's possible to not get enough performance to do the job. ( let the Angry Out, Quickly ) If you want 16-18 inches in gel, some ballistic gel tests show it coming up short, like only 11-12 inches..... YMMV, and it's all a compromise. I agree with Rick_a on the +P+ stuff. I don't care about "making major" in competition, and less boom & kick is fine with me. If you are carrying a lightweight small 9mm and it will do the job without more drama, that's fine. Never really enjoyed shooting full boat .357's out of a snubby, either. Not to mention the big ball of fire. http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/han dgun.aspx?id=936 http://www.thegunzone.com/powrball.html 9mm hardball is not my choice for anything but plinking or paper practice. There's a reason that when you are required to use hardball, many prefer to make a bigger hole to start with, and thus...... .45ACP However, Winchester now has it's "Train & Defend" line, using careful component selection & loading so the hardball you practice with ( with brass cases, for reloading ) has the same point of impact & recoil characteristics as the Hollow point load. ( with nickel plated cases, so you can see it in darker conditions, & will corrode less when kept next to the body and it's acid sweat ) The compromises involved led them to a moderate power load, with the bullet designed for the velocities involved.... and, of course, an incentive to buy all your ammo from Winchester.  http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunit ion/Innovative/w-train-defend/Pages/default.aspx | ||
| Rick_a |
Out of this one it's fun for a few cylinders worth.  20150312_104857 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr One of the guys demonstrates:  Screenshot_2015-06-01-14-31-26 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr Ruger's SP101 is another that's controllable with magnums. I don't mind +P in my snubbie .38, but in a good standard pressure 9mm load out of a decent length barrel it's really not necessary. | ||
| Pwnzor |
SP101 for the win! Love that piece. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The SP101 really is nice... and cheaper and easier to find than the S&W. People who know more than me insist the S&W has a better trigger, but I can't tell the difference. | ||
| Pwnzor |
S&W guys are S&W guys. I'm a Ruger guy, simply because the first gun I ever fired was a Ruger and I grew up with the son of Ruger's main guy in the Western hemisphere... I don't know his exact title but his house had almost every kind of animal head on the wall. I've owned a lot of Mini 14's & revolver variants, and loved every one of them. Got a couple of S&W's too, they're great. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
I have a few different 1911s. Colt, Kimber, R1 in stainless. The Remington is best shooter of those 3 too...also the least expensive. I also have a 1968 Colt Government that mostly just gets cleaned (the serial number is one off from the weapon I learned on...so I bought it). In the mid-80's they started moving us all to the M9 and we, to a man, whined about it. However, the M9 was a superior platform in my honest opinion. I do have a 92FS but rarely fire it. I carry a S&W Shield 9mm for EDC and my favorite handgun is a S&W M&P .45. I like them all...who am I kidding. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I like the 1911 more. If I was really in fear for my life, and was standing in front of a gun safe with a 1911 and a 92FS, I'm walking out of the room with a 92FS, no question. The 92FS is sporting a 18 round magazine, and has never failed to fire for any reason ever (reloads, ball, hollow point, +p, you name it). But aesthetically and philosophically, I think the 1911 is cooler. | ||
| Reepicheep |
(OK, truth be told I'm walking away from the gunsafe with both guns, but the 92FS is in my hand, and the 1911 is in my back pocket... ) | ||
| Hughlysses |
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| Pwnzor |
92FS has 62500 MRBF. Enough said. | ||
| Rick_a |
I'll take my full size 1911 in 45acp over anything else I own. I was issued an M9 for some years, and while I like and respect the gun and qual'd well with it, I'm not in love with it in any way. It was just another issued weapon. In my hands a conventional 5" steel 1911 is about as close as perfection as there is in a sidearm. | ||
| Pwnzor |
For me, it's the Ruger Security Six. | ||
| Macbuell |
Three reasons I don't like a 1911 ... 1. It's not double-action. 2. Low capacity 3. Reliability concern's in 9MM. All of my pistols are 9MM and I have a decent amount of ammo stored up. I have no desire in spending a lot more money on ammo for another pistol in a different round. Those are just my opinions and preferences but because of that, I will probably never own one. I've looked at them a lot and shot a few because they are perty but I always stop short of purchase for those reasons. (Message edited by macbuell on September 11, 2015) | ||
| Rick_a |
Three reason I like the 1911: 1. It's single action. Simply the best trigger in any centerfire firearm ever. The grip and manual safeties make it redundantly safe. The first shot is the most important and it doesn't get any faster or easier. 2. It's single stack. The round contours and flat profile make it easy to conceal and carry for a large pistol while allowing for a hand filling, comfortable grip. 3. Natural pointability and smooth recoil characteristics. It points like an extension of the hand and comes back on target naturally. I can simply run it harder, faster, and more accurately than anything else. As for reliability, from the first experience with a Springfield mil spec range gun in 1996 to present I haven't come across one that didn't work. As for capacity, that's not a concern of mine. I'm usually carrying a pair of five shot revolvers and am quite alright with it. If more gun is needed there's long guns for that. | ||
| Pwnzor |
SP101 is my choice for a carrying piece. Point and click, leave no brass on the ground, shatter cinderblocks if necessary. If more than 5 bullets are needed, I'm not firing my weapon. I'm getting the f*ck out of Dodge. | ||
| Tootal |
If I ever get around to picking up a 45 it will be a 1911. Just like the looks and the history. As far as 9mm, I still love my old HK P7 M13. Polygonal bore, squeeze cocker and single fire trigger. It's heavy by today's standards but very accurate and has never jammed on me shooting all kinds of ammo. | ||
| Macbuell |
I don't have a concealed carry license. If I did I agree a .45 1911 would be an excellent choice. But, like I said, this is just my opinion but I want something with a larger capacity in case if have to fight my way to my son whose room is down a different hallway. Protecting my wife and child are all that matters and getting out of dodge isn't an option until they are safely with me. Hence the desire for larger capacity. It will be time consuming enough to get to my weapon and get it out of the safe without additional concerns around carrying another magazine when I am in my underwear and I certainly don't want to run out of bullets. | ||
| Tootal |
Man did you just wake up a scary memory! I'm a young teenager that's awaken at 3 a.m. by a noise in the basement. I grab my boy scout sheath knife and crack open my bedroom door. At this point I see my father walking naked down the hallway racking a 12 gauge. You have to understand my father had the nickname at work of Tripod. I did not get this gene. So as scary as it was to see a 12 gauge that was not the scariest part of the picture that is burned into my brain! Fortunately it was just something that had vibrated off his reloading bench from the vibration from the furnace because if there was somebody down there I would pity the fool!  | ||
| Reepicheep |
LOL Tootal. For carry, a Kel Tec P3AT in .380 is pretty easy to take anywhere anytime with no fuss. Cheap enough that I don't worry about it getting rained on or filled with lint or generally beat up from daily carry. The Ruger whatevertheycall it equivilent is nice too. And they make it in 9mm also. But I've seen the Kel Tec in .380 for like $200, and with a minor fluff and buff it's dead nuts reliable. | ||
| Pwnzor |
If you're unfortunate enough to be an unwelcome visitor in my home, rest assured there will be more than just a single weapon with five rounds in it at my disposal. | ||
| Rick_a |
In the home it's something else altogether. There's a 5.56mm, 12GA, and .40S&W at my disposal. This is my only mouse gun:  20150319_093037 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr It's an incredible shooter for such a little gun. | ||
| Thumper74 |
You's guys are a terrible influence. I went to gun shop. They had a Kimber Pro Carry II for $600. I left with it, a spare mag, holster, etc. I also have the Glock 17. My Triumph was stolen Friday... I treated myself to the Kimber Saturday. Thieves suck. | ||
| Pwnzor |
They had a Kimber Pro Carry II for $600. I left with it, a spare mag, holster, etc. I assume you mean you left with a receipt... If you have a gun shop that does cash and carry for handguns, I'll be going on a roadtrip | ||
| Thumper74 |
Yeah, I've been using this gun shop for ten years, but it's under new ownership. You can't buy handguns from an FFL out of state. It would need to be shipped to your FFL in GA. $600 was the Kimber, not the holster, mag, etc. | ||
| Sidepipe79 |
I assume you mean you left with a receipt... If you have a gun shop that does cash and carry for handguns, I'll be going on a roadtrip Up here in Wisconsin there is no waiting period for any gun. Pass the background check, pay , leave with gun. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Wow... learn something new every day, I thought every state had the 10 day wait. Good to know! What are the home prices like in your area? | ||
| Rick_a |
That they do. Congrats on the Kimber. That's a good price for any of 'em. |
