| Author | Message | ||
     Mjohnson |
Does anyone know if the RX exhaust is for the EPA and something nicer looking will be available aftermarket? I have an 1125R and really want to upgrade to an 1190, but the look of the exhaust is enough to make me pass. I was REALLY hoping for something closer to the Panigale. | ||
| Ourdee |
Ask Dean Adams if he has plans on making an after market pipe for it. | ||
| Classax |
The secondary exhaust is really a quarter wave resonator, which suggests that the bike flows enough air to experience drone at a key rpm. The big advantage of long wave resonators is that they have proven to increase mid and top end power in high flow applications. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Didn't the later Tubers have a "Helmholtz Resonator" in the intake to assist high flow? Erik's team probably has someone very knowledgeable about that aspect. On the other hand, someone could adapt some Sportster shorty duals; everyone knows they make lots of HP. /sarc | ||
| Classax |
Nearly all modern vehicles have air boxes that are too small for the ideal application. Often the use of a high flow air filter and cold air intake help improve the situation, but the trade off is increased induction howl. That can be fun as it will make the machine sound mean, to a point. If have the the correct or near correct airbox volume to cc ratio and the engine is making big power and has a free flowing exhaust, you can get bad drone which can be FELT as much as is heard. No issues on a race machine, but on a street machine it can wear your nerves thin. A Quarter Wave kills drone without adding back pressure, or restrictions. The length of the capped pipe is determined by the rpm frequency of the drone. The added benefit is that it stabilizes the gas flow and increases the engines ability spin up or down (mid range response) and breathe at high rpm. Its basically a tuned pipe for 4 strokes that lets you make big power without race pipe sound levels. Some of night fighters in WWII used it to great affect. Its gets you a sound level and quality you want without choking the engine with a standard exhaust design. From what I've seen it can be removed easily for track, but knowing the Elves engineering team, and Erik's passions on the subject of where to put the exhaust, I'd say try it first, you might find like the folks at EBR, that you actually like it. | ||
| Ourdee |
I like lots of quiet power, The police don't start looking at you. | ||
| Sparky |
I believe the Helmholtz Resonator in the airbox was used primarily to minimize intake "honk" at lower rpms thus helping to pass EPA noise limits. My recent experience by removing the stock 96 S1 airbox and replacing it with the American Sport Bike race A/C proves the quieting effect of the original design. | ||
| Classax |
To all of you complaining about the RX exhaust, please feast your eyes on what Ducati has to do to the Panigale in order to make it legal in Japan. By the way, Panigales are technically too loud for many UK tracks and all of my local track but being Ducati's they get a special exception from the rules..http://i1.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-conte nt/uploads/2014/01/Ducati-899-Panigale-Japan-exhau st-01.jpg | ||
| Mjohnson |
That looks horrible... Glad I'm not in Japan! I hope the SX doesn't have the same exhaust as the RX though.. It just looks bad (my opinion.) at least the Panigale in the US looks good... It is really what I expected out of EBR - tucked under the bike. | ||
| Classax |
I don't think it looks all that bad. It looks fairly normal, but the actual muffler on the RX is under the tank. I would be inclined to keep it since is smooths out the power band. If they make a race exhaust that keeps preserves the stock'ish torque curve, I'm in. You have to think, just about every other maker uses a valve of some sort to do the same thing. Its pain to pull all that out and add a Power Cmdr to get rid of dips in the curve. With this, no muss no fuss. I guess its grown on me. | ||
| Reepicheep |
That whole bike is a mess... what is up with the squished tank under the tank? Ugh. | ||
| Classax |
One could argue its a form of protectionism, in that the Mechanics from Vergehra are just as prone to having their art work defaced as wellhttp://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-conte nt/uploads/2013/03/MV-Agusta-F3-675-Japan-01.jpg as opposed to what they put on any Hondayamazuki for export. The RX is 50 state legal right out of the gate and beats EPA and Cali testing by a mile, all while smoothing the torque curve and sculpting sound. Like I said from a weight, CG, and looks perspective it must have took some real persuading, knowing how Erik feels about the subject to get it into the design. In the end the engineering appears to have won out. That fact lends a certain beauty of its own. | ||
| Classax |
A few RX owners are already trying the bike without the second resonator and I admit both the sound and look is very nice indeed. Trouble is I just can't bring myself to give up the flatness of the torque LINE. If you haven't ridden on you have to demo one to know what I mean. The other thing is the quality of the note itself. The bike is quiet but the note is so distinct you can still clearly hear your own bike even when surrounded by other much louder ones. Aftermarket is going to have to work hard to beat this one. (Message edited by Classax on March 11, 2014) | ||
| Satori |
It would be interesting to see two back to back dyno pulls. One with the secondary muffler and then one without. | ||
| Gregtonn |
From another thread (thanks Wymaen): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHSVZqj7-Ww Notice the stumble at throttle opening with the secondary can removed. G | ||
| Midknyte |
it's almost as if it serves a purpose to be there  (Message edited by midknyte on March 11, 2014) | ||
| Sticks |
Wow, that Ducati can is crazy ugly. Poor Japanese. | ||
| D_adams |
Still a work in progress, but I did get some stuff done. Sound is pretty much identical to an 1125 RT-3 pipe. Hearing senstitive people need not apply, it will wake the neighbors for sure, possibly the dead (or undead if you're a zombie fan). Stock pipe is 25.75 lbs, this one is 8 lbs.   No performance data as of yet, I haven't even made it in for a stock power run on it. | ||
| D_adams |
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| Trackdad |
Dam, does it do more than idle???? I want!! | ||
| D_adams |
Nope, not yet. The canooter valve was inoperative, probably due to not having a race ecm yet. Going on the assumption that this performs anything like the other stuff I've built, it should show at least a small gain in power. Won't know until I get a programmable ecm for it though. I've been told that Tunerpro RT will not work on the RX ecm, I have not attempted it myself to find out. At this point, I'd rather have the factory race ecm to play with. | ||
| Anonymous |
Guys, You really need to be aware of the risks "hot-rodding" the EBR 1190RX motor. It is not like starting with an engine making 90HP per liter stock, where mods are easy. This engine comes with 185 crank HP using high CR, sophisticated mapping, and of course it has TC. To that end it is CRITICAL that a precision map be done for any exhaust modifications. For example, if you simply remove the secondary the following happens: •Spark and fuel are dramatically different everywhere, especially mid-throttle, to the point of being very concerned with engine damage should a customer remove the secondary and continue to use the production calibration. It is kind of the perfect storm, close enough to run sort-of okay, but way too lean and over-advanced so there will be damage. •Because fuel and spark are dramatically different, the traction control work on the back end of this calibration development to make it work properly is a calibration effort on its own. We are not trying to discourage tuning, but want people to know that on this engine, it is NOT an easy bolt-on procedure, and the people tuning will need time, expertise and sophisticated tools. Knowing that owners want to take these to the track, EBR will try to get race ECM's out for a few race exhaust options, but we will not have them for many (as it takes weeks on the dyno to get everything right for each calibration), and it will take time. Obviously the first tunes we will do will be for race exhaust options that we will have in our catalog, | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
I'm betting that's from the horses mouth....or should I say Pegasus. | ||
| Court |
Sounds eerily similar to what I've been preaching . . . . this is NOT your daddy's Oldsmobile. | ||
| Dmhines |
Anonymous ... Please offer a Race ECM to support simply removing the secondary muffler/resonator. ... Thanks! Better yet ... offer to allow current owners to send our ECM to be reflashed to no secondary muffler free of charge. (Message edited by dmhines on May 03, 2014) | ||
| Ratbuell |
I personally don't see the big deal about the secondary muffler. It's not like it's neon green with pink polka-dots or anything... Credit to EBR, if a muffler is the only thing folks are focusing on bitching about! | ||
| Classax |
Anonymous ... If you're taking request: A lightweight or carbon fiber exhaust hanger for those of us who will be keeping the the resonator would be nice. An ECU Race programming kit and key so we don't have to send in or replace our ECU's Race ECU maps for: *Secondary Throttle control solenoid Delete & Stock Exhaust with resonator. *Secondary Throttle control solenoid Delete & Stock Exhaust without resonator. *Secondary Throttle control solenoid Delete & Race (No/Cat) free flow Exhaust with resonator. *Secondary Throttle control solenoid Delete Race(No/Cat) free flow Exhaust with out resonator. *Secondary Throttle control solenoid Delete & aftermarket Slip on Exhaust with out resonator. I personally like the quarter wave and the way it smooths the mid range, it fairly light as well.Its the main exhaust that is too quiet, and too heavy. So we really need TWO race exhaust options, one with and one without the resonator. Hope fully you guys will release the race catalog by mid summer, I could use a taller wind screen and race plastics and exhaust for track days. PLEASE... Go EBR | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
I like the secondary. It embodies what this while bike is about.....being different from everything else while applying function. That secondary helps this thing reach the ungodly torque we all desire and it looks good imo. | ||
| D_adams |
This pic...  tells me that this... ...will probably work just fine once it's tuned properly. It's just a matter of getting that done. I'd also put some money on it making power, although it will probably be mostly up top. | ||
| Jdugger |
> I'd also put some money on it making power, > although it will probably be mostly up top So, take this with a grain of salt -- different dyno, different day, different state, different yadda yadda yadda... But, a showroom stock RX put down 162RWHP, and my built 1190 race motor with race gas and the EBR exhaust put down 161. Of course, the RX has improved fuel injection, air box, and a number of features my chassis and motor combination does not. But, I've got to say, I'm pretty friggin' impressed with the RX. I'll bet the main advantages of a race exhaust are going to be around weight as much as power. | ||
| D_adams |
2nd version. Not quite as loud as the 1st one, but still pretty umm, throaty sounding. Yes, this one has been in the works for a while.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
If the tuber days are any indication...the "race" exhaust is tuned for WFO operation, not streetability, midrange, ridability, and torque. I know I've never been happier with my S2 (or my Uly) than I am now...after I have gone back to stock exhaust systems. It's a Buell - a muffler doesn't just make the engine quieter. Like anything else on board - it does multiple jobs. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I have the stainless steel race can on my Uly but only because the stock muffler started rusting but if I had to do it over, I would have powder coated my stock muffler and run with that! | ||
| Dmhines |
Generally in the world of engine tuning changing the exhaust doesn't usually affect engine management. Normally it changing the intake that requires tuning changes. The RX already has a K&N filter so its tuned for that. Any ideas why removing the resonator (NOT THE MUFFLER) would impact engine management and require tune adjustments?? | ||
| 1313 |
Joe, Something must have been way off with your tuber race exhaust setup. Every race kitted tuber I've ridden - my S2 included - makes a Buell what it should be. Now, the XB's, on the other hand, NICE dip in the torque! Which is why I have a Drummer on my XT-BOLT. YMMV, 1313 | ||
| Ratbuell |
My thunderstorm s2 is MUCH happier with stock muffler...although the race muffler I had on it was hooked to the stock 2" header by way of an adaptor. Probably didn't help. I don't have issues with my s1 or m2 with the full race kits...but the m2 was definitely more midrange-punchy with the stock setup. My s1w had a v&h on it when I got it, so anything is better than that was! My uly? Thousand times better with the stock muffler. And the factory xb race muffler was not stainless. Some were silver ceramic coated, but none were stainless. Dmhines - research "quarter wave tuner" here on badweb, and on Google, and you'll see why it changes things. Think "two stroke exhaust tuning"...and to a lesser extent, the muffler valve on the xb12. Its not just a resonator. | ||
| Dmhines |
RatBuell .. just read through a truck forum and a car forum. Little bit of math invovled to find the optimal length but it seems a 1/4 Wave Tuner is for eliminating exhaust drone. There is no mention of it having any effect on the engine performance or characteristics. Most folks call them J-Pipes. | ||
| D_adams |
I know there was a slide floating around from the expo showing it, but apparently google is filtering some of the images from it and I can't find it now. Might have been a take-down notice filed for that one and the one with the dealer prices. I recall it being $15,500 dealer price, so there was (roughly) a $3k mark-up for dealer profit. | ||
| Satori |
Here you go  | ||
| D_adams |
Not the slide I was referring to, I meant the dealer priced one. | ||
| D_adams |
Hmm, AF1 says 1190rx, website says RS. http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.as p?idproduct=61943 Hmmm, what to do, what to do? | ||
| Classax |
It deletes the Traction Control though. | ||
| D_adams |
Bazzaz has their own TC system, so it would just get turned off in the factory ecm. They've also got a logging setup for tuning to a specific air/fuel ratio at any cell, although it's an extra $300 for it. Just got off the phone with them, they do not have a plug-in kit for the RX yet, although they have a bike available to them for setting it up. This, with the self tuner would make using any aftermarket exhaust a viable option. I'd give up some fuel economy for the extra power, but I'd bet with individual cell mapping, you wouldn't lose much if any at all. Bad part about it is, it would be over $1200 for the whole kit, fuel map changer, traction control and quick shifter with the add-on self tuner. I still might do it anyway, I have a fair bit of time into the bike as is. | ||
| Johnshore |
I just posted this video. The title doesn't make it clear that its an EBR piece on one of their test fleet bikes. http://youtu.be/olSyILrPBTk | ||
| D_adams |
Hmm, AF1 deleted the item from their store. Bazzaz still lists it, I talked to one of the tech guys there again yesterday and they have an 1190RX lined up for building their kit, so now it's just a matter of getting it done. It's a bit rich for some, but I've already dropped $20k to get the bike, another $1200 isn't going to kill me. I paid more than that in sales taxes on it. The charts don't say what exhaust was on the bike either, so it could have just been all stock. Not a huge increase over the baseline numbers, so it's not the best bang for the buck, but at least it's an option for tuning it when it becomes available. http://www.bazzaz.net/index.php/ebr/1190rs-12-13   | ||
| Court |
I notice that it's for a 2012 or 2013 1190RS. Same for the RX and SX? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Boy, EBR didn't leave much performance on the table, did they? | ||
| Court |
It's a shame that the word is not getting out . . . .but the 1190's, all variants, are REALLY well thought out bikes. | ||
| Ffbuell1 |
Court ,Yes you are right ,these are such great bikes and it is a shame the word is not getting out. I have posted several times that the dealer's I have been to or called are absolutely clueless and have no information to give or were not paying attention to any thing they might have been told by EBR dealer reps when they became dealer's. You look at the EBR Face book page and see an awful lot of positive post's but how many of these people will actually by one is a big question. As for my self I have been waiting since last Friday to hear back from a dealer about a trade in # and a price on a 1190 SX . | ||
| D_adams |
They (Bazzaz) do not have a kit or package for the RX/SX yet. They said it would take them a week or so to build out the kit once they have the bike in hand. I don't know who's bike will be the loaner, but they do have one lined up for it. | ||
| Mjohnson |
If anyone knows a California dealer that will sell the RX with the exhaust on the white bike I'm in. My local dealer (Sacramento) told me they don't install exhausts not intended for street use. I like the looks of the RX with that exhaust and although I was hoping for an SX I'd like I'm ready to upgrade the 1125 to this look. Pic was too big to post... It is the exhaust on the white bike in this thread: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/713 493/750533.html?1413953500 | ||
| Phelan |
The RX has a different, in-house designed fueling system, different from the RS. That's why exhaust and maps for the RX, SX are a lot harder to come by. The new fueling system was mentioned in a video I watched, I believe by EBR. The video was taken at EBR. They did this so they could change the stuff like the offset intake valve opening times to get better atomization for midrange and overall power, hence why the RX and SX have 10 more horsepower than the RS. | ||
| Bluex |
Mjohnson: that is available thru EBR. Look in their web site. | ||
| D_adams |
The exhaust pictured on the EBR site will NOT fit without some heavy modification, it's for an 1125, not an 1190. http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accesso ries/exhaust/1125-race-exhaust-kit.html That said, (without actually seeing the front header on that bike) the muffler has quite possibly been adapted to fit the headers, just like what I did 7 months ago. Yes, still waiting on a tune. I may have a power commander one available soon, but it will only be a dyno tuned one. | ||
| Bluex |
Could have sworn I saw this from EBR site!  also: http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=73830 | ||
| Classax |
I find it some what funny that even with their race exhaust option EBR is still the greenest liter bike on the paddock. If the fueling and power delivery remain the same I may just bite the bullet as this does clean up the bike nicely. | ||
| Froggy |
Bluex, that kit is not a new exhaust, it uses the stock 1190RX/SX exhaust, it lets you remove the resonator and then put those turnout tips on the muffler, comes with a reprogrammed ECM to match. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
http://af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?id Product=73830 Exhaust kit I find it amusing that their race exhaust is two small turn outs and an ecm. Much cheaper then the 1125 race exhaust. (Message edited by figorvonbuellingham on November 01, 2014) | ||
| Buelliedan |
strange that a non-ebr shop is listing the ecm and exhaust tips kit yet it is not shown on the official EBR site. | ||
| Hughlysses |
AF1 is an EBR dealer. | ||
| Wymaen |
strange that a non-ebr shop is listing the ecm and exhaust tips kit yet it is not shown on the official EBR site. Perhaps that is intentional...possibly as a ham-fisted attempt to get folks to do what the EBR storefront tells them- "See your dealer." I'm just guessing, of course, but much was made of the partnership with PUnlimited, so I can certainly see EBR being more than happy to get away from slinging parts online...especially considering the bulk of what they sell online absolutely has to be items that aren't even going to end up on an EBR product. | ||
| Dmhines |
The exhaust is not available yet ... I think that product info was released at AIMEXPO. According to EBR the ECM/Pipes should be available Mid-November. Perhaps they will put them on their website then. I already have my order in with AF1 for it. | ||
| Buelliedan |
"AF1 is an EBR dealer." Indeed they are. I stand corrected. | ||
| X1brett |
Anyone seen this? Looks sketchy to me, with no explanation of ECM mapping. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EBR-performance-exhaust-/1 61467614133?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits= Model%3A1190RX&hash=item25983843b5&vxp=mtr#ht_22wt _1153 | ||
| Phelan |
Looks to me like the drag race exhaust they made for the 1125s. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Looks like one of those $99 exhausts you buy from China. | ||
| Phelan |
NVM, looks hand-made to me. The EBR drag exhaust didn't have a meffler, just a straight megaphone IIRC. | ||
| D_adams |
Hmm, $888 for that one. Yep, I can do it cheaper. | ||
| Tq_freak |
UGH those welds look like Ray Charles did them with his foot. | ||
| Xb9er |
Really Will? hahahahahahahahahaha! | ||
| Classax |
Well the Slash cut tips and new ECU are mounted. 105.8db at 5500RPM so JUUUUSSST under the wire for being legal for out tracks. DEEP rumble now. The but dyno says its got same power, but it goes on the real dyno tomorrow. Initial thoughts are fueling feels about the same, a touch richer in spots but the sound is MUCH improved for more visceral experience overall.  Side note: It strikes me that its basically the 1125 exhaust with much larger outlets for better flow. Race exhaust with a CAT, still the greenest bike on the grid! LOL Vibrations in the pegs seems less to me now too. | ||
| Dmhines |
Great .. My ECU/tips were delivered today .. should be waiting on my doorstep when I get home for work. EBR change any info or messages on the DASH display ?? When I installed race ECU on my Ducati it shows a different Banner at startup to indicate the Race ECU is installed. (Message edited by dmhines on November 21, 2014) | ||
| Classax |
Nope. If you look at diagnostic screens you can access the firmware versions display. | ||
| Dmhines |
Installed today. Took a quick ride .. it was only 40 degrees this morning. Install is simple .. remove Resonator and install slash cuts. Disconnect Battery. Swap ECU. Clear Fault Codes. Perform TPS reset and go. EBR recommends to let the bike idle and warm up for a while with the new ECU before riding to let it learn. Race Map in the new ECU seems nice. Runs smooth even at low cruising RPM's. Butt Dyno feels same no different than the original ECU. It does not seem much louder at all than it did with the resonator. I did a quick walk around video of first start and idle as per EBR directions. (Message edited by dmhines on November 22, 2014) | ||
| Meoff_69 |
where is everyone ordering this from? Dealer or EBR direct? I want to get one for my sx | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Afraid to rev that thing or something? LOL | ||
| Classax |
where is everyone ordering this from? Contact your local dealer or AF1 Racing Afraid to rev that thing or something? Or something. It says right on the ecu "Race Use Only" When it is revved it overwhelms the little diaphragm on most camera mic so you don't get the rumble you do in person just distortion, while the resulting eargasm has been known to send the videographer into spastic pleasure resulting in dropped cameras.  | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
Buell 1190RX is 155 hp/liter. 2009 Honda S2000 - 107.72 hp/L 2009 BMW E90 M3 - 103.5 hp/L 2009 BMW E90 M5 - 100 hp/L, 2009 Chevrolet Corvette 69.35 hp/L 2010 Ford Mustang GT - 68.48 hp/L 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia - 123 hp/L 2014 Corvette 74 - hp/liter If the 2014 Vette had 155 hp/L it would have 963 hp! That should illustrate what Anonymous is talking about. 155 hp/liter is about as close to the edge as a naturally aspirated pump gas engine can be and still allow for variances in gasoline quality, air quality, etc. When messing with a 155 hp/L tune there's no room for error. (Message edited by Jesse_lackman on November 23, 2014) | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
That just looks so much better! | ||
| Classax |
MPG down to 34.3 avg I guess you can't get something for nothing. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Not worth it for me. I'll take mpg's over sound any day. | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
"MPG down to 34.3 avg I guess you can't get something for nothing." Is the power up at all? | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
At 155hp/L I kind of doubt there will be substantial power increases with anything anybody does - unless someone converts to E-85 or methanol or something like that. Even with that the compression ratio would have to be changed to take advantage of the higher octane. One way to raise HP is carry torque to a higher RPM. For that reason the Thunderstorm engine actually has more tuning potential - it's a relatively low RPM engine for a motorcycle. (Message edited by Jesse_Lackman on November 24, 2014) | ||
| Classax |
Mpgs may be affected by my spastic right hand which likes to make the moto music and the accompanying launch into a blurred horizon. Preliminary numbers show increases in torque of 2ftlbs at peak and 4rwhp to 171hp@ 10,500 rpm from my last run on that dyno. Will post up the sheet once I get file. | ||
| 1313 |
MPG down to 34.3 avg Mpgs may be affected by my spastic right hand which likes to make the moto music and the accompanying launch into a blurred horizon. OK, I'll ask the obvious question... What was your average fuel economy prior to the install? Armed with half the facts (data), one cannot make an informed decision/opinion... 1313 | ||
| Classax |
38.4 mpg before install. Bear in mind the bike sees a fair amount of track time and I don't exactly putt putt around for fuel savings. | ||
| Jesse_lackman |
"Preliminary numbers show increases in torque of 2ftlbs at peak and 4rwhp to 171hp@ 10,500 rpm from my last run on that dyno. Will post up the sheet once I get file." It's pretty easy to get caught up on peak numbers when the average numbers probably matter more. I have to remind people of that all the time when I'm dyno testing. I try to use the same RPM band from test to test so average numbers can be compared. You can make changes that increase the peak numbers but actually drag down the average. It's pretty easy to make changes that crank out good peak numbers the engine can survive on a dyno that it might not live through in the real world. Then there is the issue of repeatability, when the changes in HP/TQ are a very low percentage changes is the change real? The only way to know that is repeat the tests, or know for sure the dyno's repeatability characteristics. Theoretically "corrected" numbers from different days and different locations can be compared but that does not hold true in the real world. To be accurate and believable small change testing needs to be done in one day. Here are a couple links that show how hard small change dyno testing is; http://www.revsearch.com/grooves/grooves.html This discussion that took place about the testing; http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=139 6&start=120 (Message edited by Jesse_Lackman on November 25, 2014) (Message edited by Jesse_Lackman on November 25, 2014) | ||
| D_adams |
So what's the general consensus on weight loss for a perceived hp gain? 4 lbs/ hp? 5 lbs? Dropping almost 18 lbs is a fair amount is it not? | ||
| Classax |
So what's the general consensus on weight loss for a perceived hp gain? 4 lbs/ hp? 5 lbs? Dropping almost 18 lbs is a fair amount is it not? Ditching the noid(2.5lbs)the Resonator, pillion pegs and brackets only netted me just over an 11 Lbs weight savings. Full tank of fuel on the office truck scale shows 434lbs. Its scary, I weigh a little more than half what the bike does.  | ||
| D_adams |
Ok, so add that to what I can do, that nets you a 29 lb drop of weight. Might be worth something, yes? | ||
| Sprintst |
Those slash cut eliminators look great Shame that isn't how the bike comes from the factory I was just reading the 2008 article on the 1125R bragging about how outdated the large can on the side of the bike is, and here we right back having one | ||
| D_adams |
Should be good for a little bit of something. Mild change on the right side one.  | ||
| D_adams |
Had a buddy do this in autocad last night. Should hold up an 8 lb exhaust can.  | ||
| Wymaen |
Not going to lie, this is my least-favorite exhaust video ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmDL1ypBwXQ | ||
| Dmhines |
OMG .. that's horrible. | ||
| Classax |
Uhmmm.... No! | ||
| D_adams |
Anyone in the Los Angeles area with either an 1190 RX or SX, shoot me a PM. I need some assistance. | ||
| D_adams |
RS slip-on also done. No idea how it will perform, but it's exactly 8 lbs with all the hardware and connects directly to the stock headers.   | ||
| D_adams |
 This was done at the Dynojet facility in Vegas on Monday of this week.  Stock run, 160 hp, final run, 174 hp at the wheel. 92 ft/lbs with no less than 75 on tap to start. As I recall, mine made around 162 hp, so this is in line with what I was expecting. Some make more, some less. Crank rated info. Peak Torque 101.6 ft-lbs. @ 8200 rpm Peak Horsepower 185 hp @ 10,600 rpm | ||
| Snacktoast |
It would be nice to see a stock run from the same bike on the same dyno overlayed with that curve, on a dyno graph that isn't scaled and squished down all crazy like that one is... | ||
| D_adams |
I can ask them for it. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Dean, your weld appearance has progressed nicely! | ||
| D_adams |
I've been thinking about the current layout and I may make an additional change. Still going to mull it over a bit longer. The RS has springs connecting to the head pipes. I may do the same with the RX/SX, although that means there will be a few more pieces to the pile of parts required to make them. | ||
| Mike13 |
Is this with the EBR race ecm or other tunning? | ||
| D_adams |
Dynojet PC-V only, so it's just fuel changes. | ||
| Phelan |
Dan's EBR 1190RS Carbon with Dean's KEDA exhaust pictured above, and Bazazz tuner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ohDa6KGG8&featur e=youtu.be And walkaround while running https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzaevQoOqNg&featur e=youtu.be | ||
| D_adams |
Since I've had a few requests for it, here's the long version again. The wideband display unit, it's a WEGO 3.  Custom bracket to hold the wideband display.  Stuffing in some wiring.  Stock O2 on the left, wideband on the right. After doing some research, the stock unit appears to be a GM O2 sensor made by Bosch.          Clearance to the bodywork, it's close. Stock muffler already melted it some and was touching.    Yes, this version is a little quieter than the short one. | ||
| Dualbuells |
Dean, I want one for my SX with the spring attachment and the short turn outs, only slightly longer than the ones EBR was offering. Are you ready to sell those with a tuned ECM for the pipes? I removed mine to replace the starter and a few other maintenance items, now that I have it off I don't want to put the lead weight back on, it weighs a ton! LOL  | ||
| D_adams |
The spring hook setup is for the 1190 RS only. It already has the hooks on the headers. The RX/SX uses clamps everywhere on the short version. The last one I posted (the long version) has springs, although I don't know if I'll leave it that way for production since it's only in the middle. Clamps are still in place at the headers, so there's no real advantage to using them. | ||
| Dualbuells |
Dean, is there any reason not to have the spring version for the road, is it a safety issue? I can get the spring attachment welded to my headers, not a problem! It would seem to be a time save for other maintenance items on the engine extremities. Anyhow, let me know $ and where to send it to get on the list for your exhaust and ecm program. Have you had any success with adding a silencer core like Barker Exhaust has? My neighbors already don't like me, just cause I ride! LOL | ||
| D_adams |
www.deanadamsdesigns.com to order one direct. I can put the spring hooks on it, but I don't recommend it for the RX/SX. The clamps and the way it's set up is sufficient for retaining it in place, removal doesn't take all that long either. No quiet core for it, although the long version is definitely quieter than the short one. I've been testing with it since last week, it's relatively mild in my opinion. Good bark to it when you drop the hammer on it, but nice tone cruising along at pretty much any speed, 10 mph or 90. | ||
| D_adams |
Finally got a chance to get to a reputable dyno shop, Cycle House Performance off of Watson Rd in St. Louis. They've got a Bazzaz Principia dyno which apparently reads 15% lower than what Dynojet shows, so it's similar to a Superflo dyno in numbers. That said, it made 155.5 hp and 82.9 ft/lbs of torque. In Dynojet numbers, that equates to 178.8 hp and 95.3 ft/lbs of torque. As I recall, mine made 162/85 on a dynojet in stock trim. That dyno isn't available now, so eventually I'll have to put mine back to stock and take it to Cycle House again for a "stock" run. Jerry (the owner of Cycle House) saw the air/fuel display on my bike and watched it at the end of the runs, it was reading 11.6:1 or so and he'd mentioned if I leaned it out up top I'd see another 5-7 hp easily since it was so rich. Well, there's a wrinkle to that. My bike was initially dyno tuned, but for the last couple of months, it's been ROAD tuned at speed, as in logged at whatever I was riding at. On occasion (more often than not) I did exceed the posted speed limits in an effort to capture valid data. Apparently the RAM air effect does work. The logs showed an AFR of 12.5-12.8:1, which is what I was after on the road. I guess what this means is, even though it shows as running extremely rich on a dyno, it's not rich while out on the road, and is potentially making even more power than what was observed on said dyno. It's possible I broke 183-185 hp, but without that forced air induction to prove it out, I guess I'll never really know for sure. I will say this, the bike was fast before, now it's even faster. Looks like it's a solid 10% gain in power from the exhaust and tuning. I'll take it. | ||
| Zhen13 |
Anyone know where to get a factory exhaust finish kit wth ECM ? Tried AF1 racing but could not find it. | ||
| Buelliedan |
"Anyone know where to get a factory exhaust finish kit wth ECM ? Tried AF1 racing but could not find it." Sorry but that kit is not available anywhere unless you find a used one. I can get you the ECM from IDS and there are tips available from Europe but they are expensive. Here is a link to the tips: http://ebutik.nccr.se/ebr-erik-buell-racing-3/ebr- exhaust/ebr-1190-rx-sx-exhaust-tips | ||
| Noone1569 |
Dean Adams sells the race ecm and very similar tips | ||
| Buelliedan |
I did not realize Dean was selling the tips now. Here is a link to those: http://ecommerce.deanadamsdesigns.com/product_info .php?products_id=42&osCsid=77a65bae0a87acb307e920c e36710746 | ||
| Dave |
Dean Adams tips (I polished them) and IDS ECM https://youtu.be/RdnaAKhvmX8 DAve | ||
| Dave |
 Tips by Dean Adams (I polished) DAve | ||
| D_adams |
 Latest version, similar to factory oval. Wee bit heavier material (ss vs titanium, thicker wall material as well) but should work. | ||
| M1combat |
I assume it's a tad deeper sound than the other? Very similar numbers? Stock belly pan still mounts? Any plans on doing a Titanium one? | ||
| D_adams |
It's similar in sound, maybe not quite as obnoxious? Haven't done any real testing as of yet, although there are now a couple of them out there just for that purpose. I'm only sending these out with programmable ecm's. Mounting is the same. No plans for Ti as of yet, although I do have a source for it now. I think it's a couple of pounds weight difference at most for the whole thing, but getting the merge collector done in Ti will be difficult. | ||
| D_adams |
Initial feedback on testing for the oval, +15 hp up top. Bike went from 156 to 171 at the wheel on a Dynostar dyno in Texas. | ||
| Mike13 |
Dean, does IDS have a canned tune for this? Really thinking about an exhaust for my RX but, don't want to buy another ECM. | ||
| D_adams |
I wouldn't call it a canned tune per se. We spent a couple of months developing it, and yes, it works quite well. Very rich on a dyno, but it's spot on for what I wanted to target the air/fuel ratio at out on the road. It *could* be leaned out for slightly better fuel mileage and not be detrimental, but the hp gain was just a side effect based on corrected fuel trims. To answer the question though, yes, there is a tune specific to this exhaust. (Message edited by d_adams on March 03, 2017) |
