| Author | Message | ||
     Thefleshrocket |
All of the positive talk about the 1190s and the recent price drops have raised my interest, but I've sworn to not buy a new bike unless it's got ABS. Has EBR made any indication when it'll find its way onto the 1190s? | ||
| Meoff_69 |
I could have used it 2 times this weekend. I had this big fat chick run across the road right in front of me looking the opposite direction the whole time. By the time i got stopped and she noticed what she was doing, she was standing between my front wheel and handle bars. I was on the breaks hard then had to get off of them so i would prevent dumping the bike then on hard again. this chick had to literally walk around my bike to finish crossing the road. I was not to impressed by the whole situation. ABS would have helped alot. | ||
| Classax |
Glad you're ok, but I'm sure that has also put to rest any doubts you may have had about the abilities of the ZTL2 on the street. Powerful, but very linear. Seems like he whole theme of the pike is accessible power, both throttle and brakes have knarly power but come on so sedately they are very easy to use. I don't like the feeling of the ABS kicking in and not slowing at the same rate I would expect for lever effort. But the EU demands it so hear it comes. Glad I got and ole school analog bike while I could,. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
While riding my S1K I was looking left when a mini van in front of me slammed on the brakes. I completely hammered the front brake. I should have flipped but was able to steer around the van while totally squeezing the front. Made a believer out of me. | ||
| Henshao |
Oily wet leaves at night in a turn in a thunderstorm anyone? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Oily wet leaves at night in a turn in a thunderstorm anyone? Is exactly when ABS will NOT help you. ABS only combats rotational skidding. If you're going sideways...ABS is zero help. If the ABS did kick in during a situation like this, you would have so little braking force being filtered through by the system, you'd go wide (presuming you went into the turn too hot to begin with) and stuff the bike anyway. ABS is not the answer to everything. Does it help **straight line** braking? Absolutely. Does it let you steer through obstacles? ONLY if you hit the brakes and trigger the ABS before you start going sideways. ABS can only make the best of any available traction - the electronics can't MAKE traction magically appear from thin air. "Oily wet leaves in a turn"...have no traction period. ABS is not magic - and there's a reason the laws of physics are laws, and not suggestions. | ||
| Henshao |
I guess you're right. The ability to clamp down on the brakes with no concern as you continue to steer would be a hindrance, especially at night when gauging traction is more difficult. | ||
| Court |
"Continue to steer" assumes some available traction. Your oily wet leaves presumes none. ABS doesn't even enter the scenario. | ||
| Henshao |
If it were one large patch of leaves, then you would slide out. If it a were sporadic sprinkling of leaves, then traction would be on and off. Sort of like if a person desires argument over nothing, they will imagine a large patch of leaves. If a person sees some common pursuit with corresponding camaraderie, they will imagine a situation where ABS would be helpful. As someone who has hit gravel, sand, wet leaves, oil/antifreeze and other hard to see road hazards at night in a turn where lateral illumination was strained by the falling rain it might have been nice, and it might in the future be nice to have that third option between standing straight up and braking or continuing to turn while easing the throttle. But I think we all know that a well implemented ABS is a good thing so any further argumentative posts I will allow to "win." Stay safe out there and enjoy yourself. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Regardless of whether we want ABS on our motorcycles or not, it will be mandatory on motorcycles sold in the EU starting next year: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general- news/motorcycle-abs-compulsory-from-2016/21856.htm l Given that EBR has indicated they intend to sell motorcycles in Europe, they will have to include ABS on their motorcycles. | ||
| Ratbuell |
My main concern with ABS is the assumption that it is an "almighty savior". It is not. Motorcyclists still need to know how to ride. How to react. How to CONTROL their motorcycles. I'm afraid of ABS becoming the next "loud pipes" - the catch-all livesaver. | ||
| Henshao |
I can tell you this much. I wouldn't want ABS if it disconnected the brake levers from the calibers as some manufacturers do. Brake by wire. It is probably superior to a simple pressure release system but I don't want it. Not only is it one more thing that can fail, but it can fail both directions. Not engaging when you want it to, or possibly even engaging the brakes when you don't want. I have gotten on well enough braking my bike to a standstill with the tires whispering the whole time. These systems go beyond holding one's hand to removing the hand entirely. There is also the nannies that can't be disabled permanently. I hate having to turn something off every time I start a vehicle. I might have a day where I for some reason riding on gravel the whole day or something and I want to slide, or I'm practicing my panic stops and having ABS defeats the purpose. Similarly I don't like the automatically linked front/rear systems that transfer power back and forth. A sudden unexpected application of front brake can be hazardous to say the least, if you are turning especially at low speed. There are a lot of times I use the rear brake hard and feather the front because I can handle the ass sliding should it so happen, but the front needs to be delicately controlled. But I am rambling at this point. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The place where ABS would save you is a slick spot that you can't see and that isn't that big. The kind of spot that would just slap you down because the front kicked out before you had a chance to react. You "slide" through it because the ABS keeps the wheel from locking with low traction, but unlike a real front wheel lock, you are less likely to slide out. Like a wet paint stripe, or a pool of diesel. You still won't be stopping, but it could delay the falling part. The other place it would help would be with a less experienced rider in an emergency situation. Though that may be over rated. The last time I had to "break to save my life" it was a panic a stop as a panic stop could be, and I did a perfectly executed stoppie into the side of a failing to yield corolla. The mirrors hit first, followed by the handle bars. I was steering at the time as well. I'm a good rider, better than most locals, but in the smokies with a group of Buellers (most of whom aren't on Buells anymore) I am squarely at the middle to back of the pack (and comfortable there) with the older slower guys. I'm pretty good on dirt too, not in a "win an enduro" sense, but in a "give me a KDX-200 and point A and point B, and there isn't much that could be in between that could keep me from getting from one to the other". In my case, I wonder if ABS would have made things worse. It was a short stop, and because I could do a stoppie, the kinetic energy needed to raise the back end of a big fat Uly with a big fat rider through 90 degrees was spent making a Uly do a somersault, and not delivered to my pelvis (which ended up broken anyway) or my head (which had only a slight scuff on the helmet). With ABS, I am assuming the back of the bike would have been limited in how high it would go. That would have dissipated much less energy in terms of rotating the bike (I think). That being said, I'd probably take ABS on a bike if they didn't add too much cost and complexity and if they were well designed. | ||
| Buellmojo |
* Depending on road surface conditions, such as wet, loose, or uneven roads, braking distance for an ABS-equipped vehicle may be longer than for a vehicle not equipped with ABS. ABS cannot prevent wheel skidding caused by braking while cornering. Please drive carefully and do not overly rely on ABS.* Pulled this statement directly from the Suzuki Cycles web site. http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles /Products/V-Strom%20650/2015/DL650XA.aspx | ||
| Von |
Abs on motorcycles is still developing into a technology. It's still very much in its infancy. I believe a few companies are developing cornering abs now, but for the life of me I don't know why you'd want to brake so hard as to engage it at a good lean. That being said, I, personally, don't feel the 1190 needs it. The braking setup is set up with so much feel and ability to modulate the force, I would really have to be trying to lock up a wheel. I know with conventional twin discs, I've gotten the rear end up on occasions stopping hard, not once so far with the 1190, I'm sure if I grabbed a fist of brake lever and pulled like I'm trying to start a lawn mower it would have bad consequences, but that goes for other sport bikes with all that technology when it's set in the lower settings. The S1000RR in slick mode will allow 5 seconds of wheelie or stoppie before intervention, most knee jerk reactions occur within those 5, if I had ten, that's a lifetime. Anyways, I appreciate that it is a more analog bike, much less parts to replace/repair and I don't have to do to MMI to do my own service. | ||
| Henshao |
Here-here. Like I hinted, there are many ways of implementing ABS I wouldn't want anything to do with. To be honest every time I grab any brake while I'm turning I feel a little sadness in myself. But sometimes that Toyahonda accordrolla is taking the exit ramp a little slower than you thought  | ||
| Rodrob |
I remember being a the Rock Store here in CA a few years ago, when a guy on a then brand new, first year BMW S1000 was getting all kinds of oohs and aahs from the crowd as he explained the the bike was virtually un-crashable due to the sophisticated traction control and ABS. He took off up "The Snake" on his brand new bike in his brand new leathers and after a brief time I headed out as well. Somewhere near the top, I found him in a heap, the bike having tumbled into the canyon. As several other riders were already assisting, I did not stop. That experience tempered my traction control, ABS envy substantially. There is no substitute for training. | ||
| Buelliedan |
"There is no substitute for training." Something I learned the hard way back around 2002 in Leakey, TX. | ||
| Froggy |
A few weeks ago I saw one of those Lexuses that can park itself, it got t-boned by a truck in a busy intersection. I can park just fine on my own. | ||
| Court |
Hey . . .easy on the "self parking" . . . . I bought it as a novelty and am amazed at how well it works in NYC. I am an excellent parallel parker . . . but so, too, is the car. If you can put a soda can between the bumpers . . it'll park it in that spot. | ||
| Buelliedan |
I always wondered if you could use the "self parking" feature to do the parallel parking part of your driving test? | ||
| Henshao |
I find my parallel parking skills fade in direct proportion to the ratio of miles covered on two wheels vs four motorcycles spoil me when it comes to parking. Almost as easy as folding it up and putting it in the wallet. I always park facing outwards to give it a little challenge...never understood why people willingly backpedal a heavy bike uphill into traffic, looking over the shoulder |
