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Charlie_zulu
| | Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:44 pm: | 
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"My '06 Uly is STILL the most "fun" bike I've ever owned (and I've ridden since '57) and is much better off-pavement than one would expect. although that may change if I get the KTM 690 Enduro I've got my eye on…"
it's going to change.. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 11:37 pm: |
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Three different times I tried trading my Buell M2 Cyclone in on. Harley and both dealers were so-called Buell dealers at the time I tried to make the trade. Both dealers told me flat out they didn't take Buells in on a trade in! So after trying three different dealers, I ended up trading with Ukes in Kenosha for my Ulysses! Best motorcycle I ever owned!
As far as Harley dealers working on Buells, I know for a fact that Bob Clement's Ulysses fuel pump quit on him somewhere in Indiana and when he called a Harley dealer, they offered to tow it in but said that they don't work on Buells! I know you've read posts on BadWeb telling the same stories about not being able to get their Buells worked on!
Eventually you folks are just going to have to wake up to reality! |
Discochris
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 - 02:37 am: |
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Re: Trading a Buell in, that's completely accurate from my experience. When mine was up for sale this summer, I did inquire at some dealers all around the midwest, both new motorsports dealers, and places that specialize in used bikes, and pretty much every one said they didn't have any interest in Buells as there's just not much interest in them. The only one that even had a smidge was the dealer in Lincoln, NE, and I decided I didn't want the Honda they had for sale.
As far as working on them/ordering parts, it varied. I could order parts from a couple places without any problem. I did most of my own wrenching, but the couple times I did need dealer work, it was a mixed bag.
The absolute best was J&L in Sioux Falls who helped me out on a Sunday when I was stranded. The single best experience I've had with any kind of a business ever. If I ever buy a Harley, it will be from them, no question about it. They're a first class operation. When Donahue's still owned the dealer in Sauk Rapids, MN, they were great. St. Croix HD in River Falls, WI, not so much. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 - 11:57 am: |
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You guys really shouldn't be PO'd at dealers that won't take a Buell in on trade. They've learned that Buells are only wanted by a very select type of buyer and that buyer might not ever show up. We love Buells because we are willing to do our own repairs and because we just like Buells. Most folks probably never have heard of them. Their loss I say. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 - 12:21 pm: |
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I agree with you on this Craig but what I was talking about was the lack of any interest for the Buell Motorcycles from a majority of the Harley dealers! How many times when Harley owned The Buell Motorcycle Company did we hear of Buell owners traveling to their show rooms only to find a couple of Buell Motorcycles stuck back in a corner of the showroom? I was at Woodstock HD one day sitting on a Buell when a salesman walked up and asked me what I was riding, I told him a Buell and he pointed to a Harley Davidson Dyna and told me most Buell riders are up-grading to a Dyna these days. I just looked at him and laughed telling him I was interested! |
Discochris
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2014 - 03:02 am: |
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A former co-worker of mine just moved from MN to Colorado. He had a Harley Softail (I think) and a Buell 1125 that he bought during the fire sale when Buell shut down. He just got rid of them both and bought a BMW.
He said the dealer had two used Uly's on the show floor and they can't give them away. They agree that Buell made excellent motorcycles (they did) but people aren't willing to buy them because of parts concerns. Even the BMW dealer said that the 1125's were among the best bikes they'd ever ridden and the Uly's were easily up there with the GS bikes. It's just unfortunate. I wish I had the money and space to have kept my Uly and added my ST1300 to the stable, but that wasn't going to happen. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2014 - 07:48 am: |
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Back in the day, dealerships saw the Uly as competition for buying a bagger.
Why would you buy something light and fun when you can own half a Buick for only 2 times as much? |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2014 - 12:05 pm: |
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In case you had any doubts:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/this-is-not-the- actual-ebr-1190ax-89712.html
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Kag
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 10:19 am: |
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I have to admit I am about done waiting for the mythical AX. I am either going to have spend some cash to invest in my Uly or move on.
Ok, who I kidding....investing the cash to keep it going |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 11:07 am: |
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I guess we have to realize that EBR is small potatoes compared to Harley, Honda, Kawasaki, you name it. Buell is able to concentrate on only one or two things at a time and only dream about the rest. I'd bet that they'd be doing way way better with an AX than these bikes they've thrown all their engineering efforts behind. It's us older, more mature riders that have the money to buy bikes is my way of thinking. Us same folks that would rather have a bike that is more street and travel oriented than track and hooligan. Anyway, for those others, there are plenty of cheap crotch rockets to choose from that cost thousands less so guess who wins on the salesroom floor.
(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on December 06, 2014) |
Dr_greg
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 11:44 am: |
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EG, I agree 110% with your reasoning. Maybe 120...
I especially liked the part about us "older, more mature riders..." 
C'mon EBR guys, I expect you to have something ready when my '13 R12GSW is worn out...
--Doc |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 04:34 pm: |
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My guess is that if you wanted the 1190 AX, you can get one today, by going to buy the KTM or Ducatti Multistrada. My guess is that EBR looked at it, said they would just be building another version of a bike nobody is really deciding they actually need, and they choose to take a step back and rethink what an AX should be.
Just a guess though. I love my Uly, but a 185 HP and $18,000 version of it would be, IMHO, silly. Very fun for a while if you could afford it, but silly. |
Buewulf
| | Posted on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 04:08 pm: |
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"My guess is that EBR looked at it, said they would just be building another version of a bike nobody is really deciding they actually need"
You can also buy an 1190SX and RX at those same dealerships, but EBR chose to produce those. Nobody "needs" a 150hp adventure bike, and I think that is probably the point of motorcycles like that. People buy them because they want them (and I have seen quite a few Multistradas and Adventures). Besides, EBR certainly doesn't seem to be in the business of building bikes that people "need" anyway.
The market segment for powerful, premium-priced adventure bikes is stronger than it has ever been. I get that EBR wants its brand to be built around sport bikes and racing, but I think it is important for a fledgling company to ride the current wave or carve its own niche. EBR isn't doing either. And to Dr. Greg's and E.G.'s points, the demographic with the disposable income and desire to fork out that kind of cash are looking for fast AND comfortable in a package that is still light enough to be fun on a twisty road. |
Sagehawk
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2014 - 03:51 pm: |
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Another side to all this is how long bikes still sit in a dealer showroom. Then a firesale of sorts hit. John h. Got that triumph explorer with 2500.00 worth of goodies and being 2 year old model for another 2500.00 off, he couldnt resist. Dont know what he give out the door, but for what is new but two year old model , he damn stole the thing. And having the time of his life with it. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2014 - 10:15 pm: |
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I'll chime in here since I agree with the last few posts here. When the Buell XB platform first came out I was at East Troy Wisconsin at their open house and was asked if I would like to test ride. Buell. I said no thanks, I wanted a more comfortable motorcycle and they gave me a funny look because I had no interest in riding a new Buell. When the Ulysses came out, I sat on one and immediately fell in love with it! I purchased one in 2006 and to this day still believe it's the best dam motorcycle ever made. At the 2007 Buell Homecoming, I shook Erik's hand and thanked him for building my Ulysses telling him it was the best motorcycle I ever owned or rode for that matter!
I personally can't wait to see the AX model, I'm sure it will sell like hot cakes! |
Solano
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2014 - 11:54 am: |
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I wish Eric could work a deal with HD to make more Uly's. Love the handling and I think that simple torquey v-twin fits perfectly. I have no desired for a 150 hp high maint, high strung engine. |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2014 - 12:46 pm: |
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Who is Eric?
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Afsoc_commando
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2014 - 01:36 pm: |
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I would love a New ULY with a small Turbo Diesel V-Twin with about 700cc and I would then get the range and torque all in one sweet package! |
Solano
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2014 - 02:35 pm: |
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Whoops....Erik...... |
Turf_moor
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 06:17 pm: |
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I wish that they'd just develop the Ulysses as it stands and make it completely reliable. I agree with Cyclonedon. It's the best motorcycle I've ever been on. And I also own a Suzuki B-King. |
Conchop
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 10:31 pm: |
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You guys might have a point here - A refined Ulysses without all the wow wee hyper high strung over priced formula coming out of Europe might just be the ticket - If not a Sportster motor, the new Indian Chief motor or a Victory motor shoe horned into a Uly frame might just do the trick. Good power and torque provides a proper balance for a Uly -
Miss my old Uly ... |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 01:11 am: |
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.......as likely as Ford introducing a new Camaro. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 05:19 pm: |
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.......as likely as Ford introducing a new Camaro.
Now that's funny!
I love the new engine as far as the power per liter and on those bikes it makes perfect sense. On a dual sport style machine, IMHO, you would want to make that torque at a lower rpm. The torque peaks at 8200 rpm! Wow! Not quite what you need for running a jeep trail!
It's stroke is really short which makes the engine shorter and I get all that. The thing is that as far as a street engine and possibly some minor off road entertainment, I've always liked a square engine. So if you narrowed the pistons and increased the stroke so they were the same and keep the really cool swirl valve timing you could lower the rpms allowing more torque down low and yet have an engine that runs out nice. It would increase the height of the engine but if you're building a whole new frame for an AX then you would just have to design around it. It wouldn't have the long stroke grunt of our Uly engines but it would be a lot closer and yet it wouldn't smack the rev limiter as much either.
Compromise is a bitch!!  |
Woodnbow
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 08:46 pm: |
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Even something like the Yamaha FZ07 with more displacement would work well. 1000 cc should get it done. |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 11:27 pm: |
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The idea of Erik Buell compromising is laughable . . .ain't gonna happen.
When the AX arrives . . . I suggest it will be as revolutionary and as fit for it's intended purpose as the Ulysses was when it first came on the scene.
Compromise?
Hasn't happened in 30 years . . . not likely to now. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2014 - 12:48 pm: |
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Court,
I'm thinking hybrid AX. Torque from the electric motor and hp from the gas engine. And it will be flex fuel compatible. Possibly it will use Thane Heins ReGenX Regenerative Acceleration Technology that HERO has already proved in one of their scooters. Watch the slide show http://www.slideshare.net/PotentialDifferenceInc/p di-regenx-prospectus-32996002 |
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