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Gonen60
Posted on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
still kicking around the idea of mounting an exhaust pipe on the right side of my bike. I have talked to the tech over at "JARDINE EXHAUST" and He has been very helpful. I have discovered that most exhaust cans are pretty much the same, depending on if you go with a street pipe or race pipe. The baffle is the differance. The race pipes for the bigger CC. bikes have a 2 1/4 inch baffle. Most pipes are 18inch and about 4 3/4 in diameter.
the pipe jardine makes for the XB is the same diameter, but about 2 inches shorter, and they offer a street pipe or a race pipe. so right now, I am deciding on either the 18 inch long pipe (made for a R1 Yamaha) or taking the actual XB jardine pipe (16 inches long)...both are available with the 2 1/4 inch baffle. The 600 cc. bikes, race pipes are 2 inch baffles. I will have to run a piece of connector pipe from the header, under the bike and up to the new side mounted Can. I plan on wrapping the new section of connector pipe with "pipe wrap". Not only will it give My XB9S/R a new look, I think the sound will be pretty darn cool. The Tech said having a 2 into 1 into one race exhaust pipe, with the race baffle should sound like "war in a Can"
this image is just a mock up using a cardboard tube...
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Buellny
Posted on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I think the Buells look so much better with the exhaust under the bike. That is one of the features that attracted me to the looks of the bike.
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
well, then you should keep your right where it is. It just happens to be one of the things that bothers me a bit.
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Roc
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 03:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
How would you mount it?

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Stoobr2
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 03:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
You could use the existing holes where the rear footpegs attached,and fabricate a bracket to hold the can in place.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 04:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
it wouldn't be difficult to fabricate a mount using a Kwaka ZX6/10/12 rear passenger peg setup.
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Trojan
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
You would have to have a piece of flexi pipe somewhere in the header because of the engine movement, otherwise you'll be cracking pipes regularly. Alternatively mount the muffler using something like the old Norton isolastic mounts.
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 09:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Hey Trojan, what is flexi pipe? and where would you suggest using it?

can you tell me more about the "norton" type mounts?

thanks !!!
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Austinrider
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Gonen60,
While I dont share your tastes on the relocation of the pipe, I would love to see how yours turns out.
With that said, somethings I would take into account when doing this.

Will suspension flexing (The compression and decompression of the shock and spring) have an effect on the mounting of the pipe. Its great to mount it up, but it has to be able to flex. I think this is what Trojan is referring to, using a special kind of pipe or join to accomodate the movement the pipe will experience.

2. Degradation or improvement in handling. I would think, changing the weight of the bike around, making it heavier on one side than the other, would cause the bike to handle differently. I dont know for sure, nor do I have any factual data to prove that. It would just seem that the handling characteristics of the bike are going to change.

If you do make this change, sell me your race pipe cheap, eh bro?

Good luck with this project. Your bike is looking good.
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
After just doing some research, and talking to the guy that is going to help me. (he builds custom hot rods and bikes) He says for sure on the flexi pipe. And for rubber mounting the exhaust pipe to the mounting bracket...

I hope to be able to get started soon, but I might have to wait a few short weeks, until my wife gets through with dragging me around the lesser antilles in the caribbean on a cruise...umm, I guess that is ok, I can use a week of watching my wife in her thong, on white sandy beaches...
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1320
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Post pics!! Of the thong...: )
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
My Beautiful Wife...
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
gonen
Then length does matter on performance so if the shorter one that they make for the buell use it
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
refrains from making a size comment since he already got himself in trouble over one mans wife on this board
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
So brian, in this case, you are saying 16 inch is better than 18 inch ?

if so...why?
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Cause you have the extra pipe from the header to the canister to make up for the difference.
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
well I am assuming here that if has to do with air movent and getting rid of it.

but now I am thinking also it might have to do with over length of the whole system which you are making longer now. so now in reverse thinking I would probably go with the longer pipe.

I know we shortened the drummer to make it work better but then the over length of the system is shorter than where yours will be.

I'll call kevin
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Buckinfubba
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
ok kevin says this...go with the longer pipe for the over all volume. since it is a 4" pipe witha 2" baffle you want as much volume as possible. If you could get one that was 20" long that would be great but if 18" long is all you can get, go with that.
That is coming from a guy smarter than me on this kinda stuff.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I would think you would want the shorter canister since you have the extra length for the connecting pipework added in...? Or is Kevin thinking the extra length in the canister would act as a resonance chamber that would be needed for the extra length of pipe work...?
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I'd be interesting in hearing the results. Maybe it'll be a hybrid cross between a Buell with the race kit and a Ducati monster. Mean at full throttle and mellow at idle. What about dual canisters like the Monster?



edited by TucsonXB9S on March 20, 2004
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I would like to know why bikes like the Ducati, RC51, Suzuki TL1000 run 2 canisters...the tech at "Jardine" said the RC51 is a 2 into 1 into 2.
If you look on jardines website, and go to there Honda link, you will see Duhamel runs 2 canisters, Bostrom runs one...anyone know why?
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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
they both look cool...
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Kds1
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Gonen60,
don't worry about how long a piece of pipe that it takes to go between the collector and the muffler...no gain or loss there, mainly fit and placement...make sure you use a longer canister for your Buell so you will have enough volume...if a 600 cc jap engine uses an 18 in can you don't want to put a shorter can on a 984 cc engine?? KEVIN
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Thanks Kevin.
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Davefl
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
The RC51 used two canisters but I believe the CBR1000 they are using this year run only one.
The big twins need two canisters or one really big one to quiet down the noise. An inline four has smaller power pulses and does not as much volume.


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Gonen60
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Gonen60,
don't worry about how long a piece of pipe that it takes to go between the collector and the muffler...no gain or loss there, mainly fit and placement...make sure you use a longer canister for your Buell so you will have enough volume...if a 600 cc jap engine uses an 18 in can you don't want to put a shorter can on a 984 cc engine??

what do you think the logic is, in the Jardine Buell pipe, being only 16 inches?
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Kds1
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Gonen60,
The best answer to that i can think of is how much will the consumer pay for the exhaust?? more material costs more moneyand there are a few that would not buy a long fat can and put on there bike cause it doesn't look good!!! look at the size of the D*mm*r and the gains you can have if you put fashion asside... It works well...KEVIN
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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Gee, now your bike can look like every other bike in the world!!

edited by brucelee on March 21, 2004
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Dyna
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Why not just rig up a system like they sell for the sporty?
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Dyna
Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Race replica SS2-R features a high-volume , polished aluminum, oval canister with flow-through baffling for maximum performance; a unique mounting system adds cornering clearance and the chromed, smooth bend, large diameter headpipes and heat shields provide a look that is second to none. A race-only system, identical to that used by award-winning 883 racers, is also available with nickel-plated, equal-length headpipes and no heat sheilds. The SS2-R is capped off with a beautifully machined billet alumium end cap that screams performance.
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