| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Posted to EBR.com: http://www.erikbuellracing.com/wp-content/uploads/ 2014/07/2014-1190RX-SX-Owners-Manual.pdf | ||
| Sprintst |
Oil window is pretty cool, pg 84 | ||
| Ratbuell |
Same as the 2010 1125's.... | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
I went straight to page #84 myself! Very cool that they are offering this online. | ||
| Northernyankee |
Ugghhh, valve check every 6200 miles...that sucks. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ But apparently it's fairly easy to do. Easier than an 1125 anyway; no engine rotation required. Who knows, maybe the AX will have hydraulic followers.  | ||
| Noone1569 |
Yup, high compression, lots of power, have to pay to play | ||
| Northernyankee |
I don't have a problem with checking them every 6200 if its easier then the 1125r, but if Engine Rotation/Frame Removal is required, then that is a real PITA. | ||
| Dmhines |
I am keeping my fingers crossed that the 1190 service manuals are available before I hit 6200 miles .. would like to do my own valve check. Last email to EBR said they were not ready yet and there is no ETA ... (Message edited by dmhines on July 07, 2014) | ||
| Froggy |
Hopefully when the service manual comes around, the electronic version will be free, and updated as time goes on (typos, torque spec changes, etc)  Speaking of typos, we now know the 1190SX will be in production for year 2115 and the 8th character will be F | ||
| Court |
. . . . and by 2115 it should be well sorted out, eh? | ||
| 46champ |
Dang Froggy that is pretty good I missed that the first time thru | ||
| 1313 |
From the 1190SX's at Laguna Seca this past weekend:  Confused yet? 1313 | ||
| Froggy |
Well that is an easy one. EBR = Erik Buell Racing, 4 means it has only been 4 years since EBR was started, V2 because it is a twin, and 1191 means that it had a slight displacement bump | ||
| 1313 |
Whoa there Frogster! Lest you forget, I was involved in vehicle manufacturer way back when you were a wee-little tadpole. Coded information for a vehicle family, etc. is NOT a topic that has just come about from the electronic age... What I was trying to point out, which - admittedly - may not have been that clear, was the model year designation. It clearly says on that label (along with a bunch of other stuff...) 2014 and a little later 1190SX. And FWIW, IIRC, when I checked the same label on my 1190RX last night the code on it was EBR2... Because I don't want to totally bust your nuggets, MANY thanks for the recommendation on the external charger! It allowed me to take this video at Laguna Seca this past weekend! Evidence is where you find it - sometimes hidden in plain sight, 1313 | ||
| Hughlysses |
VIN number discussion reminded me of this interesting letter I discovered a couple of years ago on one of my quests for EBR-related info on the net:   It looks like EBR has changed VIN codes since this was issued. | ||
| Court |
They have. I also question sequential VIN numbers. | ||
| Dmhines |
Not sure if all are sequential ... but ... I bought my 1190RX in Florida at Black Widow Harley Davidson. My Yellow 1190RX is VIN 136. I rode the RX up to Bikers Hill in Dahlonega, GA last week just to check the place out since they will be my servicing dealer. They had 2 RED RX's (one was demo) .. one Black and one Yellow. I noticed the Red and Black bikes were in the 200+ VIN range. When I checked out the Yellow .. it was VIN 135 .. so it was the bike in front of mine going down the assembly line. One shipped to GA and the other to FL. | ||
| Satori |
I see three very interesting things in that letter. One that there is a Streetfighter low. Two, that they list 1,2,and 3 cylinder configurations. Three that they have horse power ranges down to 25-50, Leading to all sorts of speculation about what may come down the road in the near future.. | ||
| Wymaen |
^^But they only provide for model years through 2013, so I wouldn't be too quick to place too much importance to this letter regarding 2014 and beyond. | ||
| 1313 |
I also question sequential VIN numbers. Honestly, I can't figure a good reason for VIN's to not be sequential. I know my opinions and thoughts don't mean much, but I can't imagine why it would make sense to not make pretty much anything in sequential order. I know mention has been made toward the latter days of Buell saying the VIN's were no longer sequential. My only thought as to how these comments came to be were someone not looking at all the details. For instance, if Euro VIN 400 was built before DOM VIN 300 and someone didn't notice that the 2 bikes were for different markets, then the (incorrect, in this situation) assumption could be made that they are not produced in sequential order. Here's a snapshot out of the Owners Manual I got with my 1190RX:  It clearly states 'Sequential Production Number'... Another one of the mysteries in life, 1313 | ||
| Court |
It may be a bit of semantics . . . . in that #10 might follow #1 . . . but not my 9 units. If I go back and look back and a day of production for, say S1's . . . the numbers a generally in order but they do not go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, . . . . That's why when I see someone advertising a bike as the "10th one built in 2010" . . . I know 'taint necessarily so. Now . . . that MAY change with EBR. But, as you know, there have been snags in the V.I.N. process (remember 1994) in the past and I'd want to make certain I had current information. Look at it this way . . . . were it not for that nifty little device you invented . . . motors may never have had serial numbers. :-) | ||
| Crusty |
In other words, my hypothetical EBR would have the VIN of:546EAAE2_FE000001 or something pretty close to that. The fourth digit would be an E for Sport Touring. O.K., where do I sign up? | ||
| Alchemy |
Hi Court, "That's why when I see someone advertising a bike as the "10th one built in 2010" . . . I know 'taint necessarily so. " How would it be better to phrase a comment on these last few manufactured bikes? | ||
| Court |
Well . . . VIN's do not run sequentially. VIN 000010 could be the 2nd bike built. They don't run 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, It's a common source of confusion. (Message edited by court on August 13, 2014) | ||
| Court |
Here . . for example . . . is how the first 10 bikes looked for one year . . .  | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'd love to get my hands on the actual 2007 XB12 build order for the engines, and compare them to our dead crank VIN data. I'm guessing somebody at Juneau avenue would very much NOT like that data getting out though. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ I'd love to see that info as well. | ||
| Alchemy |
Thanks Court, I see your example. "Here . . for example . . . is how the first 10 bikes looked for one year . . . " I assume that is from some internal document similar to what I would call a release document. It does show that although there are gaps, they are all sequentially higher as the list progresses. This is similar to my experience in a different field. We would pull from the production line units for slightly different markets, testing or to be scrapped (rarely) resulting in gaps for the US general market but the progression of the sequence of serial numbers generally held up in the sense that lower numbers generally preceded higher numbers. If there are true gaps in the serial numbers, it would be obvious in the sense that for a year where say 10 bikes were released, there would be serial numbers much higher than 10 for instance 75 as in the example list. In the business I was in we worked hard to avoid gaps because they would constantly create questions when trying to validate rework or close a recall if there were a safety issue. It could be done but it continually raised questions and required documentation as to how the quality system addressed the gaps etc. | ||
| Court |
>>>It does show that although there are gaps, they are all sequentially higher as the list progresses. Correct. Higher is (with few exceptions) "newer". Out of that population are the tech pubs, specials, photo bikes (great M2 story there), the media bikes and the one's made "for" someone. My build sheets show ALL the variations from the certified build and who they were done for. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Keeping historical data of a motor vehicle engine/chassis is a walk-in-the-park compared to working under FDA compliance! |
