| Author | Message | ||
     Racerx1 |
Bubba/Court/ anybody that might be able to help.... I've been racing with AHRMA in the Formula 2 twins class on a Buell, and have spoke with their tech directors about putting together a replica of Lucipher's Hammer II for the heavyweight Vintage superbike class. I'm looking for photo's, history, race records of either the original XR750/1000 based bike or the Buell (Lucipher's Hammer II?). I'd specifically like to build the Buell.... Any help appreciated! I'll shoot my e-mail address offline to anyone who can help or send stuff my direction... Thanks! Wes | ||
| Bomber |
Racer Father Gess has posted on this topic, and had (?)some data on his website, and perhaps more info in trunks in his basement? | ||
| Mikej |
Also contact Bubba at Tilley's as I believe he has a little bit of info on the subject as well if'n I recall right. | ||
| Spooky |
Some of the body parts are sitting up stairs at Tilley's new shop and the frame is around there somewhere. With all the race bikes it's hard to tell sometimes. | ||
| Davegess |
Wes, some pics at www.davegess.com Follow the links down through buell history and RR1000. That is most of what I have. Dave | ||
| Dueller |
Have you looked at the Tale Section? Lots of pics under the topic "Lucifer's hammerII". Bumped it for you. | ||
| Racerx1 |
Thanks guys! Great site Dave....lots of help there! Wow, the original bodywork still exists? That would be pretty awesome to put the real thing back together... | ||
| Court |
Wes: The bike still exists, at least to a degree. What else exists is the enthusiasm and organization a fairly effective support organization. Go Wes go.... Court | ||
| Bomber |
uh oh . . . .good thing I already know the way to Wes' garage! hour to it right after work . . . .. 30 mikes home at 10 pee em . . .. . also, note to self, let's get Wes some more, ehem, less abused tools . .. . I got a feeling we're gonna be spending some time up there . . .. HEY! WAITAMINNIT! I could volunteer the Entropy Lab for this effort! Great idea, Court, thanks! | ||
| Anonymous |
I know where the frame is for Lucifer's Hammer II, and it's not at Tilley's... | ||
| M1combat |
We'll invade the shop... just tell us where the frame is.  Of course I'm just kidding about the invasion... | ||
| Court |
Does the frame warrant pursuit? Is it usable? I'm for, and would be excited about, anything that puts a legit racer on a legit Buell. I'm getting excited....damnit. Court | ||
| Rocketman |
RacerX, if you find that frame, be careful no one's polished it!  Rocket | ||
| Court |
Good news...the folks who have the frame are smart enough to have not polished it. | ||
| Racerx1 |
wow! this kind of took off in an unexpected direction! My intent was to build an S1 based replica with an Evo sportster based motor, kind of tipping its hat to the original 'lucipher II'... kind of incorporate some of the later lessoned learned, 17" slicks, etc.... but wow, wouldn't that be cool to put the original bike back together??? If the current owners (Don Tilley?) would be interested in a restoration project, then please sign me up! I think there is enough talent on this board that a project like that would be feasible and successful! 178mph Daytona trap speed...I'd have a problem even mentioning my replica in the same breath as the original Lucipher II, and I can guarantee I'm sure as hell no Gene Church (and don't pretend to be....), But what a thrill to ride a piece of history like that! | ||
| Bomber |
and my name ain't warner or o'brien, but we could have some good fun, I'm thinkin! let's get that scoot in one place! edited by bomber on March 16, 2004 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
I always figured we didn't have the frame.... anon...I would hope you know where it is  | ||
| Whatever |
I am so jealous of you people who play for a living!!! Wes, the offer still stands to get married, even if I am the Queen of the Universe... ha ha ha ha ha...  | ||
| Newfie_buell |
"Queen of the Universe" In your own world where the little green men talk to ya!!!!!!! But the resurrection of Lucifers Hammer would be very cool!!!! | ||
| M1combat |
That's funny, my girlfriend is queen of the universe too... You must BOTH be from different universes. That explains it  . | ||
| Bomber |
M1 they are all from different universes | ||
| Racerx1 |
Thanks for the offer Charlotte, but I'd prefer to stick to something less dangerous/expensive like road race motorcycles... Bomber, you dissin' my tools??!?!?! Believe it or not, some of them actually came over a couple of generations ago on the boat from Russia (you probably believe it....) | ||
| Bomber |
Racer -- nossir, never would . . . . .er, suggesting that a pair of diagonal cutter should actually be capable of cutting something in a diagonal manner ain't dissin', surely? ;-} | ||
| Rocketman |
Bad news......those smart folk who had the frame were dumb enough to paint it in a bake oven! Rocket | ||
| Bomber |
ROFLMAO! good one, rocket . . . .. could only be worse if they chromed it! (hydrogen embrittlement?) Racer -- I finally figred out why your tools and I weren't getting along . . . .I was cussing in American, English, Vietnamese, French, and Korean . . . . . if I'd known they came from Russia, upon dropping that wrench on my toe, I shoulda hollered . .. . . KALISHNAKOV! then everything woulda been alright, I'm thinkin | ||
| Mikej |
Be thankfull it didn't slam-fire and hit your toe twice.  | ||
| Tripper |
who would chrome a frame? | ||
| Court |
Rickman? Actually, and I am prepared to be corrected, I think many of the frames we called "Chromed" are Nickel plated. I assume, given the context in which I was told that, that the Nickel plating process is less damaging. Heat, to me, was represented as the culprit in the chroming process. JW and some folks here are far more conversant in the various plating options and means/methods than I. Quick...someone send out for facts and fries. Court | ||
| Bomber |
Court You're correct in thinking the Rickman frames were nickel plated . . . . also, many of the cafe racers I lusted after, but couldn't afford, also had their frames so treated . . . . lots of "Specials" from the UK (and the states, based on UK thinking) we also plated in that manner I was told, years ago, by a materials engineer (hey, Blake, give us a hand over here, willya?) that chroming mild steel caused "hydrogen embrittlement" . .. given that the conversation occured during the dim time, if it went any further, I have no recollection of it . .. . there were lots of choppers in the 70s and 80s with chromed frames . . . . . (didn't the capt america bike in easy rider sport one?) I am also told that nickel doesn't hold up as well as chrome, and requires more frequent cleaning, or road spooge will penetrate the plating having now reached the limit of the knowledge and rumor I have on the subject, I will now, uncharacteristically, sit down and be quiet. 'til next time | ||
| Awprior |
From what I've read and gone through with some of my materials classes at school, hydrogen embrittlement is more prevalent in high strength steels than in milder or low strength steels. There are some articles on the 'net about it as well. Most stuff that is chrome plated has a few layers of nickel plating under the chrome. The nickel provides most of the luster, and the chrome adds a bit of color. Chrome plated stuff like bumpers etc. has chrome that is very thin, like a millionth of an inch, and is a whole lot harder than the nickel, so it provides protection for the nickel plating. Hard chrome plating is done on some high wear parts (we use it on hydraulic cylinder rods at John Deere ), and is a few thousandths thick. Alex |
