| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
>>>I for one applaud both Brandon and Mark for their efforts, Cool to see a couple folks essentially take showroom EBR's and . . . at least . . .get in the fray. Success will come. There are too many good folks focused on improving. | ||
| Noone1569 |
If every manufacturer decided to only race if they would be guaranteed a victory, we would no longer have any real racing. We may have a bunch of XR1200 style series out there, but that'd be it. You've got to start somewhere, and you start by getting on the track. | ||
| Trojan |
You've got to start somewhere, and you start by getting on the track. You are absolutley right. However, Smiths Triumph had their first trip to the Isle of Man this year with the 675. They went out and won the Supersport Race. BMW had their first trip to the Isle of Man since 1939 this week. They went out and won the Superbike AND Superstock race. I would love to be able to cheer for EBr and would have so much more respect and admiration for their efforts if they just admitted when it went wrong instead of this continuous stream of PR rubbish they put oout even when things have obviously gone horribly wrong and both bikes failed to finish both races. Until they can at least finish a race they have achieved nothing I'm afraid. Can't wait for Trojan's motorcycle company to debut their bikes in 2015 and win! maybe if some rich Indian company gave me 25 million I would  However, I certainly wouldn't do it if I didn't think I had a chance of at least finishing in a decent position. If I did then I would prepare the bikes specifically for the TT many months in advance, not 3 weeks like the Splitlath team did this year. If I did badly I'd have the b*lls to admit it too | ||
| Djohnk |
Is there an ignore option on BadWeb? It would be awesome to be able to automatically hide any posts from posters who don't interest you. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
And those were all because of the machine, right? How about that Norton effort you were so gung-ho about earlier, how did they fare with their top level rider? | ||
| Court |
>>>maybe if some rich Indian company gave me 25 million I would And . . for the record . . IF any "rich Indian company" did that . . . it would be a first. Nothing, even remotely like that, happened at EBR. This erodes what credibility your dialogue had. Court | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Court are you stating that a "rich Indian company" did NOT invest heavily into EBR? Cause that would contradict press releases and other information that has been out for a long time | ||
| Tpoppa |
This erodes what credibility your dialogue had. I remember one time on Bad Web someone swore that the shape of 1125R fairing was purely form over function because it had gone through more wind tunnel testing than any other motorcycle ever produced. Then the post was deleted. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Nobody in business gives anything to anyone. They have goals, and they pay money and make resources available to people who they believe can help achieve them. So before a "rich Indian company gives you $25 million", you have to offer them a value proposition that makes it worth it for them to do so. Whatever amount was paid, and whatever the goals for it were, I can pretty much guarantee it didn't consist of "just go out and spend it quietly in the hope that you can appear fully sorted and instantly do well in your first season of WSBK racing". I work with plenty of Americans and plenty of Indians, and a common cultural attribute I really appreciate in all is a willingness and desire to wade in and start working, learn things others will never know based on mistakes they were afraid to make, and get back in there and build it again better. | ||
| Trojan |
Whatever amount was paid, and whatever the goals for it were, I can pretty much guarantee it didn't consist of "just go out and spend it quietly in the hope that you can appear fully sorted and instantly do well in your first season of WSBK racing". Your'e right, they probably said, 'go to WSb and embarress both companies by looking and acting like a bunch of amateurs. fail to finish or fail to start races, get lapped when you do manage to start, and then put out press releases telling everyone that all is fine and dandy and there are no problems? You probably don't beleive me when I say this, but I am absolutely passionate about the EVr race programme. if I wasn't then it wouldn't bother me when they look so bad. How about that Norton effort you were so gung-ho about earlier, how did they fare with their top level rider? Norton had problems and retired from the race. However they didn't say that everything was fine and that their bike was strong or fast and that everyone was impressed! What they said was that they lacked practice and needed to try and sort problems out before the senior race on Friday. How very honest of them | ||
| Crusty |
You probably don't beleive me when I say this, but I am absolutely passionate about the EVr race programme. Oh, we believe you. You passionately disparage any and all improvements the various teams might make, and passionately revel in their failures . | ||
| Bads1 |
Crusty no he doesn't. Hes pretty much sayin it like it is. Nothing wrong with the bike. It needs developing.And its not getting done in the present hands of this team. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Youre wrong Crusty. Again, just speaking the truth - they've done nothing positive in WSBK or IoM besides show up. Failing to finish races? Failing to START races? Failing to even make qualifying...come on. I love Buells and would like to own an EBR machine, my choice is not based on racing as they've only done good, really, once when they were racing against 600s in DSB. But, like some are saying, when you do poorly (or not at all in the case of May at the last race), dont put out these positive press releases. The IoM release, "The bikes are amazing and they have impressed everyone." uhhhh.... they couldnt finish the race and were down ten mph, thats not impressive or amazing. Sorry, but no bonus points for just showing up. I want EBR to do well in a variety of series, but they (due to race management possibly?) are over their heads in these series/races. Facts are facts. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The IoM release, "The bikes are amazing and they have impressed everyone." uhhhh.... they couldnt finish the race and were down ten mph, thats not impressive or amazing. I don't think that was a press release, that was a personal comment from Brandon Cretu on a motorcycle forum. It does say something that he's enthusiastic about the bike (he's not a factory rider) and I'll take him at his word that people HE talked to at IOM were impressed with the bikes. | ||
| Tpoppa |
If the EBR WSBK team was managed like an NBA or NFL team, the coach would have already been fired. | ||
| Court |
Facts are facts. There are precious few present in this thread. | ||
| Tpoppa |
Here are some: Failing to finish races? Failing to START races? Failing to even make qualifying...come on. | ||
| Court |
I agree with those sand ..... At that point .... X you have pretty well exhausted the "facts". | ||
| Bads1 |
Well...elaborate Court. For the fans that enjoy racing and the fans that enjoy racing so much it consumes them. It looks just like what your reading here. BMW didn't do this bad there first year and they had no Data of the tracks other then they had seasoned championship material and they did poor the first year but still respectable. (Message edited by bads1 on June 04, 2014) | ||
| Tpoppa |
no...Court likes to point out a lack of facts while not actually providing any himself. Remind me to tell you sometime. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
This is my one and only re-tort to Trojan; I don't drink the Kool-Aid... However, I fail to grasp why those with such disdain for the Buell/EBR brand continue to post ALL the negative they can find or their own pure rubbish in thread, after thread, after thread. Based on Brandon's comments (someone who was actually there, racing an EBR), the comments posted by other racers on the WERA board and my own racing experience it sounds like the EBR has good potential to do well. Obviously it is not in the running for a win, but if EBR doesn't go, they'll never know. I don't necessarily agree with all of EBR's racing decisions, but I am not the person in control and EBR has to start somewhere. While EBR is a mere 4 yrs old, BMW and Triumph are established companies with years of testing and development. Rock on EBR, keep kickin', Keep Striving and one day you will be there! Perhaps if they had a sprung tensioner they would do better... (HEAVY sarcasm)... I now return you back to the normal negative drivel... Flame away Trojan, it's what you do best... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I remember one time on Bad Web someone swore that the shape of 1125R fairing was purely form over function because it had gone through more wind tunnel testing than any other motorcycle ever produced. Then the post was deleted. I read recently Erik said it was Harley who wouldn't allow the Buell superbike to have a full fairing. Why he couldn't have told us this when the arguments were flowing on here about it is one small example of Buell shrouding stuff in mystery. Why. What's the point. Rocket in England | ||
| Bads1 |
BMW and Triumph are established companies with years of testing and development. It was BMW's first stab at a inline 4 Superbike. The bike hasnt changed much and its a Force. Why because of the crew behind it. The EBR needs the same. Riders and all. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Are there any more superbike or superstock events at this year's IOM TT, or are the Splitlath-Redmond guys already headed home? | ||
| Trojan |
Not sure if they are entred for the Senior race on Friday (Open class for anything really) or if they have gone home because they haven't found a fix for the issues they had. All gone very quiet on that front..... I'm looking forward to the Lightweight race tomorrow more than any other race this week. most are racing modified Kawasaki ER6 machines but there are a couple of 'odd balls' that could do well. WK have entered a Chinese built CF Moto that went well in practice with gary Johnson on board, but he has a broken collarbone from his crash in the Superstock race, so now they have a stand in rider. Also Ollie Linsdell is racing the Paton S1 which has ot be my favourite bike at the moment  It uses a Kawasaki engine but in a ahnd built frame from GP specialists Paton in Italy. It is a thing of beauty and I hope they do well on their first vist to the 'modern' TT (Paton have won numerous Classic TT and Classic Manx races). You can see more of this lovely little bike here http://www.paton.it/it/ (we were asked to supply the race belly pan for this bike but simply couldn't get one in time for the TT  ) | ||
| 46champ |
That is a real nice looking bike. How much are they? Not that I could afford one. But it is nice to dream. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hmm, apparently Splitlath-Redmond is still racing. This just posted to their FB page:
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| Trojan |
That is a real nice looking bike. How much are they? Not that I could afford one. But it is nice to dream. Are you sitting down? The price for the Paton S1 road bike starts at €16000 and goes up to around €23000 depending on spec. I'd love one but find it a bit difficult to justify that for any bike. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Splitlath-Redmond just posted a short video to FB showing the two EBR's lining up for their final practice session, so they must be practicing for tomorrow's Senior race that Trojan mentioned above. Hopefully they've got the bugs worked out by now and can complete a race so we can see what the bikes are really capable of. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I believe this is a Paton 500 four stroke twin - their own handbuilt engine of which only a handful were made. Matt will know more.... Stunning motorcycle!  Rocket in England |
