| Author | Message | ||
     Classax |
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| Trojan |
You are hung up on cooling. No, I am hung up on stopping (or slowing as Classax would put it). Cooling is an issue that only comes up when you have brakes that tend to overheat. But in a real world braking system, it is also critical that the front tire remain in contact with the ground. But we are talking about WSb here not road bikes. Every WSb runner is using state of the art front suspension, brakes and wheels. I would sugegst that any theoretical advanatge of ZTL over this setup is practically zero in actual use (especially if the weight saving results in too much heat, fade or slower stopping speeds, which wipe out any advantage you may have had in faster acceleration or better handling. I'm not against ZTL on the EBR road bikes. It obviously works at slower speeds and is a good selling point. At world championship level it is another matter, and they need to be running what they need to win, not what the sell in showrooms. Brakes have advanced significantly over the last few years and the benefits of ZTL against modern state of the art brembos are probably a less than they were in 2002. The 8pot caliper and hardware also proved to be slightly lighter than a pair of Brembo monoblocks from a Panigale R which was basically a wash. Again we are talking about WSB level brakes, not showroom models. I would like to bet that the Brembo WSB calipers are much lighter than even the Panigale R. Even then the slight advanatge in this area is more than offset by weaknesses in others at the moment. It is of little use being able to have better brakes than the leaders if you can't catch them. The old perimiter rotors you either ignorantly or misleadingly trot out whenever we have this discussion are irelevant. Wrong. they are only theoretically irrelevant in terms of load paths, NOT braking forces. I'd actually wager that the Braking twin perimeter setup gave better/shorter fade free stopping than ZTL although being much heavier. Here is the thing for me. If EBR were at the front and needed to gain a fraction of a second over Kawasaki or Aprilia then maybe I can see the point of swimming against the tide with a lighter brake. At the moment they have a lot more to catch up than that, and the brakes are just another issue for them to deal with. So why not ditch the ZTL setup, which as you admit is being developed by only one company (there may be a good reason for that), run perfectly well proven Brembos (develped by the entire WSB/MotoGP field over many years) in WSB and give yourself one less hill to climb. Once they have the relative luxury of running at or near the front of the pack then maybe that is the time to try something radical? There are HUGE teams in racing that have gone down the wrong route before now and had to have a drastic rethink. Ducati in recent years have ad all sorts of problems, Elf soldiered on for years with their hub centre steering before giving up, BMW took a tyear to get to the front of WSB with their electronics (although they were never as far back as EBR are now). The difference is that all the above realised that they were wrong, and changed their engineering so that they then down the route that the winners were using (which is a good idea why they are winning in the first place). There are very good reasons why most Moto GP, Moto2 bikes look almost identical, and that is because everyone knows what wins. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wrong. They are irrelevant, because any of the braking systems under consideration is fully capable of completely locking up the front wheel under virtually any situation. The cooling point is a fair one, a dual disk dual caliper setup will obviously be easier to cool. I'm glad EBR is trying to develop the ZTL under WSBK conditions. It's a lousy way to enter the series and take podiums, but I think it's a really fantastic way to do brake R&D. I have no problem with a manufacture doing R&D work for road bikes by running at the back of WSBK races. I think it's pretty cool. | ||
| Neutrum |
despite all this technical stuff, let's not forget what this is all about: selling the 1190rx in europe and the world. regarding this goal: they fail big time! as mentioned, i was in aragon as a spectator. after two laps in every race, people were amused by the ebr's (because of the already big gap, getting bigger by 6 sec. every lap) and the very loud noise they made. you could even see the body language of the riders, which was like "sorry-we can't go faster". in the media, which are supposed to cover the debut positively, the writers, commentators and spectators are just laughing at ebr. that worries me a lot. and hero is worried too, i'm sure about that. this seems to develop to a pr-desaster. if it continues like this, this would have been pr-suicide in europe. especially the german media (speedweek.com) is laughing out loud. you never see this bikes in action, and if, then it's with smoke on the back or in the gravel-trap. buell and ebr is barely known in europe by the wide mass of people which ride motorcycles. and all the information they get now is bad. really bad. not in the way that you wanna buy such a motorcycle. why didn't they started in superstock 1000 or even the evo-class? i'm worried. nobody waits for ebr. (Message edited by Neutrum on May 08, 2014) | ||
| Wymaen |
why didn't they started in superstock 1000 or even the evo-class? You should read through the thread from around the time of the PI round...you'll get pretty tired of the answers to your questions  | ||
| Trojan |
I have no problem with a manufacture doing R&D work for road bikes by running at the back of WSBK races. I think it's pretty cool. As Neutrum says though, that won't please sponsors, dealers, media, and most importantly potential buyers outside the USA. If the media start to tell readers/viewers that the bike is poor then they will be listened to by people who don't know the history of the company. To be honest, over here the history and company plan means nothing to buyers, unlike the USA. In Europe BMW, Aprilia,Ducati,Triumph adn MV all have more cache than EBR. To most fans racing is about the best bike, and racing is what factories do to show that, not just develop new bits. I would be quite surprised if we see the team in the same format next year unless results improve dramatically. Winning may not be everything, but losing badly certainly is when it comes to trying to sell a new brand to a new market. I for one hope for a massive improvement at Imola this weekend with theirupgraded bike. For a largely Italian team this the teams first home round after all | ||
| Classax |
I'm not against ZTL on the EBR road bikes. It obviously works at slower speeds and is a good selling point. At world championship level it is another matter, and they need to be running what they need to win, not what the sell in showrooms. It is if you want to sell WSb caliber/developed components which is the stated goal of the EBR CEO Brakes have advanced significantly over the last few years and the benefits of ZTL against modern state of the art brembos are probably a less than they were in 2002. friction materials and fluids have made much slower strides and monoblock by design offer more initial bite not outright power than previous generations. Again we are talking about WSB level brakes, not showroom models. I would like to bet that the Brembo WSB calipers are much lighter than even the Panigale R. Even then the slight advanatge in this area is more than offset by weaknesses in others at the moment. Oh that's right I forgot the M50's on the top of the line Superlaggra are no lighter than the cast units on the S, and R neither of which are good enough to run in WSb. You need to buy some M4 100's or M4 108's for that, except both of the those blocks are heavier than the M50's for strength and heat dissipation.  http://www.brembo.com/en/bike/Racing/Racing/Pages/ Calipers.aspx Stupid EBR! What the heck are they thinking trotting out there with stock brakes designed to be good enough to make an attempt at WSb. It is of little use being able to have better brakes than the leaders if you can't catch them Can we quit mixing arguments they are down on power and speed reportedly because of ECU problems and inexperience by the team in tuning a brand new bike and engine configuration, the riders aren't comfortable with the tracks or suspension YET. Those combine to make your speed problem according to the team. That is what we KNOW. What we DON'T KNOW is if they are even having braking issues, which is why its a good question. A question I might add, sparked by the anecdotal evidence that they are allegedly braking 200(60meters) yards earlier than others. Some are advocating trying to ditch the ZTL when we aren't even sure it is or isn't an issue. The team hasn't ever said it is, and until they are up to pace for a complete race I'm not sure THEY can even know. My advise is throttle back until we KNOW what we're talking about. I have no problem with a manufacture doing R&D work for road bikes by running at the back of WSBK races. I think it's pretty cool.   Especially since a lot of the engine is showroom fare! why didn't they started in superstock 1000 or even the evo-class?  review the archives of this thread, its been answered at least 30 times. i'm worried. nobody waits for ebr Makes it all the more fun and gratifying when you stuff em for the pass  | ||
| Trojan |
the riders aren't comfortable with the tracks or suspension YET Which brings me full circle yet again to the initial discussion we had on this. The team failed to test and hired two riders who could'nt find Europe or any WSb circuits outside laguna on a map! That is a failing by the team before the season even started. Geoff May even admits that the circuit they did test on was not suitable or similar to WSb tracks. What we DON'T KNOW is if they are even having braking issues, which is why its a good question You don't take up valuable team resources and time designing a larger scoop if the smaller one works perfectly. By fitting a larger scoop you can assume that the earlier one was not sufficient surely? if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Can we quit mixing arguments they are down on power and speed reportedly because of ECU problems and inexperience by the team in tuning a brand new bike and engine configuration, Which is why running proven WSb components the same as the rest of the field makes sense so that you have less variables to try and fix. Whether they have brake issues or not, it is just one more unknown quantity at this level that they could do without worrying about. Especially since a lot of the engine is showroom fare! Then they should have gone to Superstock/EVO instead! You can't keeping making excuses for things like stock engine spec, lack of testing and rider choice that the team had full control over, for not doing well. Makes it all the more fun and gratifying when you stuff em for the pass Which they have so far not managed to do. I perfectly understand that riders in the US will support EBR regardless of results and team strategy etc simply due to patriotism. I'm sure we would probably do the same if Triumph decided it was time to kick everyones backside in WSS/WSB. However if they want to sell bikes worldwide they can forget all the flag waving because buyers outside the USA won't really care where the bike is built. Also people in the UK and Europe probably follow WSb far more regularly than most US motorcyclists, so results are very important for European sales. They will just have to sell on solid results (not future results or planned results either). I wish them all the luck for this weekend | ||
| Vagelis46 |
I am sure this weekend we will see a major improvement in performance by the EBR in Imola... Geoff has been living in Italy for many months now, I am sure he has done some private testing in Imola...... Looking forward to the Imola races ! | ||
| Reepicheep |
I can only speak for myself. I need a $16,000 adventure bike like I need a hole in my head. I have a perfectly good uly in the garage, the skills to easily keep it running for the rest of my life, and I am perfectly happy with it in every regard. I have 4 kids entering a really neat phase of our families life, and I'm spending almost all my spare time working, with my family, or working with local kids in the community (all of which require me drive the car instead of ride the motorcycle). I'll be lucky to put 4000 miles on the Uly this year. Yet, the more I read about what EBR is doing in WSBK and elsewhere, the more I feel that damn AX chewing at the back of my brain, stalking me, cornering me, drawing me in. They had me at hello. | ||
| Classax |
The team failed to test and hired two riders who could'nt find Europe or any WSb circuits outside laguna on a map! Statements like that are often taken as personal attacks which I'm sure we aren't trying to do, but they have no place in our civil discussions. You don't take up valuable team resources and time designing a larger scoop if the smaller one works perfectly. By fitting a larger scoop you can assume that the earlier one was not sufficient surely? if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or it could be that they actually listen when certain street riders with more than 5K miles on the machine mention that the Radiators, oil cooler and brake scoops are subject to catching rocks thrown from other bikes or the front wheel. A stone in caliper is a good way to score the rotor or wedge open a pad. At the very least it caused a rattle I had a devil of time figuring out. One in a million catch but why chance it again. Which is why running proven WSb components the same as the rest of the field makes sense so that you have less variables to try and fix. Whether they have brake issues or not, it is just one more unknown quantity at this level that they could do without worrying about. I have faith no Buell aficionado is capable of being so obtuse as to not understand that the desire to have your signature design element proven as good or better than conventional approaches at the highest levels. May as well opt for a I4 motor and a normal custom tank like everyone else. Better yet make the series a spec race,modeled on Sykes' ZX10r. Only adjustments allowed are for rear preaload thats it. Now go race. I mean its a proven winner isn't it? Oh but it wouldn't exist under your theory because they'd all be on RSV4's no wait 1098's, no 999's, no... on and on. INNOVATION man! Success is driven by the knowledge of failure, be it our own or others. perfectly understand that riders in the US will support EBR regardless of results and team strategy etc simply due to patriotism. I'm sure we would probably do the same if Triumph decided it was time to kick everyones backside in WSS/WSB. However if they want to sell bikes worldwide they can forget all the flag waving because buyers outside the USA won't really care where the bike is built. Also people in the UK and Europe probably follow WSb far more regularly than most US motorcyclists, so results are very important for European sales. First of all, they are selling the bike world wide, and the core demographic won't be swayed by WSb results, they are MUCH smarter than that. Secondly stop insinuating those who disagree with you are too dumb, or inexperienced or uncommitted to following WSb, or too blinded by patriotism to fully understand your arguments because we aren't, we do, and you just happen to be completely and utterly wrong.  The reality there is more than one way to view the EBR WSb effort and your's is not shared by those who launched or are directly involved in it. No problem, here in the colonies we still believe others are capable of intelligent dissent. Its a view we often find quite frustrating, but we hold to it, out of patriotism I guess. Thirdly, Triumph in WSb?!?!  Really... talk about not being able to sell around the world. The triples of all ilks are aren't horrible bikes but their sales are abysmal, but then everyone knows you can't compete in WSb lugging around an extra an cylinder. I wish them all the luck for this weekend On that we agree and that's all we need ole, and I do mean OLD, friend. Let me be the first to buy you an ale(on YOUR tab of course). (Message edited by classax on May 08, 2014) | ||
| Gregtonn |
I think Geoff summed it up pretty well. "Aaron and I are putting a lot more pressure on ourselves than any of the sponsors, team members or Erik himself. I mean we've seen it. BMW set the precedent for us a little bit. They came in four or five years ago and they flat out struggled. And then they ended up developing a bike that could win races. That thing had a really hard time even scratching the top ten for a good year. They had world champions riding for them. [Here] We got two American riders that don't know any of the racetracks, a brand new motorcycle and new team. It's going to take a little bit. Honestly, if we can get better each and every round, each and every session, it's all we can really ask for. Just to keep improving." Just to stir thing up a little more. Have any of the monday morning quarter-backs here thought about how fuel changes affect ECU settings and power? What fuels were used in developing the EBR engine? How do they differ from the fuel used in WSB racing? G | ||
| Classax |
Have any of the monday morning quarter-backs here thought about how fuel changes affect ECU settings and power? Not only have I though about it, its keeping me up nights. Not literally but you know.. Fuel can significantly affect the performance of the design compression ratio, chamber and spark design, timing, cam lobe profiles... ECU can manage all that to a point, but it can be a pain chasing down what's causing what. (Message edited by classax on May 08, 2014) | ||
| Rodrob |
I'm just curios as to how many of you guys race, and then how may race an 1190RS or 1190RX? (Message edited by rodrob on May 08, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The triples of all ilks are aren't horrible bikes but their sales are abysmal You might want to go back and edit your post before someone spots your mistake  Rocket in England | ||
| Neutrum |
"I'm just curios as to how many of you guys race, and then how may race an 1190RS or 1190RX? " for the 1190rs - i couldn't afford it (wouldn't), because it was never homologated for street use in spain. and let's be true 45'000 bucks? c'mon... for the 1190rx - there is still no dealer i know from who will sell them anytime soon. and i don't like the fact, that this bike is again no metric bike. i did track-days on my 1125r in full race-trim, it was ok. recently, i've bought a used aprilia rsv4 factory aprc for street and track. amazing bike, amazing engine, amazing brakes, amazing suspension...very reliable too...what more can you ask for. and i'm happy to see them winning in wsbk and i'm hoping to see them in motogp in 2016. (Message edited by Neutrum on May 09, 2014) | ||
| Deanh8 |
I work at a motorcycle performance shop, we had a customer show up yesterday and dropped off a brand new RC8R, and brought a box of parts to turn it into a race bike. After some small talk I eventually brought up EBR and asked why he chose KTM over EBR his response was "LOL, have you seen the WSBK races, Im not trying to go out and get lapped, get real..." Im here rooting for EBR but that was all so true to what people have been saying in this thread. People are not waiting for them... This is happening now. | ||
| Classax |
Rodrob- For me and the RX, track days yes on the, racing no, I'm too old, slow, and broke to race anything anymore, Maye be after my boy finishes law school... Right now its hard for anyone to RACE the RX due to only a trickle of race parts currently available. I work at a motorcycle performance shop, we had a customer show up yesterday and dropped off a brand new RC8R, and brought a box of parts to turn it into a race bike. After some small talk I eventually brought up EBR and asked why he chose KTM over EBR his response was "LOL, have you seen the WSBK races, Im not trying to go out and get lapped, get real... Right because KTM is doing so well in WSb and dominating the AMA. With all due respects that's as asinine a response as one could get. RC8R is a great bike, but to choose it over the EBR because of lack of WSb performance is... let's just say it sounds like both he and EBR are better off with him on the KTM. | ||
| Trojan |
Right because KTM is doing so well in WSb and dominating the AMA. With all due respects that's as asinine a response as one could get. RC8R is a great bike, but to choose it over the EBR because of lack of WSb performance is... let's just say it sounds like both he and EBR are better off with him on the KTM. yeah right, what race success has KTM ever achieved. I bet they look atEBR's race history with envy EBR can only dream of the success KTM have achieved intheir short history. The reason that KTM don't race the RC8 in WSB racing is pretty clear. They know they can't be competitive with it uner current WSb rules and sturcture so don't enter. They realise that entering their street bike and being lapped is probably the worst publicity they can possibly get, so concentrate their efforts in other classes, such as dominating Moto3, paris Dakar, most off road sectors and pretty much everything else they enter. They also did pretty well in German Superbike racing which is seen as a core market for them. It is called having a realistic idea of your products capabilities. As far as AMA goes, I think Chris Filmore has actully done quite well on the underdeveloped KTM RC8R hasn't he? I have faith no Buell aficionado is capable of being so obtuse as to not understand that the desire to have your signature design element proven as good or better than conventional approaches at the highest levels. Ah so to be a Buell afficionado means we all have to be corporate yes men who fall at teh feet of any invention with EB initials on it? INNOVATION man! Success is driven by the knowledge of failure, be it our own or others. Of course, Honda, Kawasaki and the others have no idea what they are doing and have no innovation? brembo have been sitting on their hands for years doing nothing? Come on, EBR are NOt the4 only innovators in the WSB paddock, and just because they do somethig different does NOT make it necessarily better. The proof is in the pudding as they say. If EBR can manage to improve their performance markedly this year and PROVE that their bike is better than the others then great. At the moment there is no proof that anything on the EBR is better than any other WSb machine. With all due respects that's as asinine a response as one could get. RC8R is a great bike, but to choose it over the EBR because of lack of WSb performance is... let's just say it sounds like both he and EBR are better off with him on the KTM. Why do you think that the major factories spend gazillions racing? Why are race replica paint jobs the most popular models on sports bike sales? Winning a race may not sell bikes, but losing badly certainly doesn't. The triples of all ilks are aren't horrible bikes but their sales are abysmal I think you need to do some homework on that one! triumph sold more bikes in one year than Buell in their entire history I believe. | ||
| Neutrum |
"Geoff has been living in Italy for many months now, I am sure he has done some private testing in Imola...... " doesn't look like: 7secs slower as giugliano with the panigale in fp1 and 40kph slower than the aprilias | ||
| Trojan |
Imola World Superbikes free practice one - conditions dry 1 34 D. GIUGLIANO ITA Ducati Superbike Team Ducati 1199 Panigale R 1'48.329 12 164,034 277,8 2 65 J. REA GBR PATA Honda World Superbike Honda CBR1000RR 1'48.580 0.251 0.251 17 163,654 279,2 3 50 S. GUINTOLI FRA Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'48.639 0.310 0.059 15 163,566 282,2 4 7 C. DAVIES GBR Ducati Superbike Team Ducati 1199 Panigale R 1'48.890 0.561 0.251 14 163,189 280,7 5 33 M. MELANDRI ITA Aprilia Racing Team Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'48.897 0.568 0.007 16 163,178 284,5 6 1 T. SYKES GBR Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'49.089 0.760 0.192 17 162,891 286,8 7 91 L. HASLAM GBR PATA Honda World Superbike Honda CBR1000RR 1'49.195 0.866 0.106 17 162,733 276,3 8 76 L. BAZ FRA Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R 1'49.885 1.556 0.690 18 161,711 284,5 9 44 D. SALOM ESP Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'50.103 1.774 0.218 17 161,391 272,7 10 22 A. LOWES GBR Voltcom Crescent Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'50.367 2.038 0.264 14 161,005 276,3 11 24 T. ELIAS ESP Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 Factory 1'50.370 2.041 0.003 19 161,000 281,5 12 112 I. GOI ITA BARNI Racing Team Ducati 1199 Panigale R EVO 1'50.407 2.078 0.037 14 160,946 273,5 13 19 L. CAMIER GBR BMW Motorrad Italia SBK BMW S1000 RR EVO 1'50.457 2.128 0.050 18 160,873 268,6 14 59 N. CANEPA ITA Althea Racing Ducati 1199 Panigale R EVO 1'51.071 2.742 0.614 14 159,984 270,0 15 86 A. BADOVINI ITA Team Bimota Alstare Bimota BB3 EVO 1'51.252 2.923 0.181 13 159,724 265,9 16 84 M. FABRIZIO ITA IRON BRAIN Grillini Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'51.357 3.028 0.105 14 159,573 267,9 17 58 E. LAVERTY IRL Voltcom Crescent Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 1'51.541 3.212 0.184 10 159,310 272,0 18 23 L. SCASSA ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'51.541 3.212 0.000 14 159,310 264,5 19 9 F. FORET FRA MAHI Racing Team India Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'51.581 3.252 0.040 16 159,253 263,2 20 71 C. CORTI ITA MV Agusta RC-Yakhnich M. MV Agusta F4 RR 1'51.644 3.315 0.063 14 159,163 271,3 21 32 S. MORAIS RSA IRON BRAIN Grillini Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'51.720 3.391 0.076 13 159,055 266,5 22 2 C. IDDON GBR Team Bimota Alstare Bimota BB3 EVO 1'52.359 4.030 0.639 13 158,150 267,2 23 21 A. ANDREOZZI ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'52.737 4.408 0.378 11 157,620 264,5 24 11 J. GUARNONI FRA MRS Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10R EVO 1'53.001 4.672 0.264 14 157,252 260,0 25 10 I. TOTH HUN BMW Team Toth BMW S1000 RR 1'53.097 4.768 0.096 16 157,118 272,7 26 99 G. MAY USA Team Hero EBR EBR 1190 RX 1'55.288 6.959 2.191 16 154,132 253,1 27 20 A. YATES USA Team Hero EBR EBR 1190 RX 1'56.339 8.010 1.051 15 152,740 244,3 28 56 P. SEBESTYEN HUN BMW Team Toth BMW S1000 RR EVO 1'56.788 8.459 0.449 16 152,153 259,3 Air: 24°C Track: 44°C Humidity: 41% | ||
| Vagelis46 |
OK....FP1 does not look good ..... BUT we should not compare the EBR to the top factory Ducati.... EBR should be compared to the last of the EVO bikes.... Let's wait a bit more..... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Well, the good thing from the above is that Geoff appears to be back on his game. | ||
| Trojan |
EBR should be compared to the last of the EVO bikes.... And....? 2.1 seconds behind Imre Toth (Team Toth is pretty much the Johnny Rock Page of WSB) in 25th place, and the best EBR time would put May only 19th on the Supersport 600 times and 16th against the Superstock 1000's. It may be their first time on this track but they have a lot to catch up even to get near the top 20 (3.64 seconds). Top speeds are still way off the rest of the field for some reason? Of course they will probably go faster in FP2, bet then so will everyone else  | ||
| Neutrum |
lap record is a 1'45.9 from sykes in 2013 there will be faster times... | ||
| Jscott |
At least it makes the press releases easy, they can just swap out the dates and the track locations and call it a day. | ||
| Neutrum |
1. Jonathan Rea GBR PATA Honda World Superbike CBR1000RR 1m 48.147s 2. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing Team ZX-10R 1m 48.187s 3. Marco Melandri ITA Aprilia Racing Team RSV4 1m 48.261s 4. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Aprilia Racing Team RSV4 1m 48.323s 5. Davide Giugliano ITA Ducati Superbike Team 1199 Panigale R 1m 48.574s 6. Chaz Davies GBR Ducati Superbike Team 1199 Panigale R 1m 48.592s 7. Leon Haslam GBR PATA Honda World Superbike CBR1000RR 1m 48.999s 8. Eugene Laverty IRL Voltcom Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 49.259s 9. Loris Baz FRA Kawasaki Racing Team ZX-10R 1m 49.600s 10. Leon Camier GBR BMW Motorrad Italia SBK S1000RR 1m 49.610s (E) 11. Alex Lowes GBR Voltcom Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 49.710s 12. Ivan Goi ITA BARNI Racing Team 1199 Panigale R 1m 49.920s (E) 13. Niccolo Canepa ITA Althea Racing 1199 Panigale R 1m 50.015s (E) 14. David Salom ESP Kawasaki Racing Team ZX-10R 1m 50.211s (E) 15. Ayrton Badovini ITA Team Bimota Alstare BB3 1m 50.228s (E) 16. Christian Iddon GBR Team Bimota Alstare BB3 1m 50.609s (E) 17. Toni Elias ESP Red Devils Roma RSV4 1m 50.699s 18. Luca Scassa ITA Team Pedercini ZX-10R 1m 50.926s (E) 19. Claudio Corti ITA MV Agusta RC-Yakhnich M. F4RR 1m 51.034s 20. Alessandro Andreozzi ITA Team Pedercini ZX-10R 1m 51.544s (E) 21. Jeremy Guarnoni FRA MRS Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 51.572s (E) 22. Sheridan Morais RSA IRON BRAIN Grillini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 51.707s (E) 23. Michel Fabrizio ITA IRON BRAIN Grillini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 52.042s (E) 24. Fabien Foret FRA MAHI Racing Team India ZX-10R 1m 52.070s (E) 25. Imre Toth HUN BMW Team Toth S1000RR 1m 52.445s 26. Geoff May USA Team Hero EBR 1190RX 1m 54.669s 27. Peter Sebestyen HUN BMW Team Toth S1000RR 1m 55.102s (E) 28. Aaron Yates USA Team Hero EBR 1190RX 1m 56.225s (E) = Evo class. Imola official WSBK lap records Best lap: Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 45.981s (2013) Race lap record: Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 47.274s (2013 | ||
| M2typhoon |
This epically depressing...  | ||
| Tpoppa |
I am starting to feel bad for May and Yates  | ||
| Ezblast |
Jeez - BMW didn't do squat it's first years - a little patience please - those are still good times. EZ |
