| Author | Message | ||
     Smitty |
Comments on the 200? Mine are the obvious. Will bike racing go the way of the Nascars poor sportsmanship? | ||
| Gonen60 |
yates is a punk..the rider he assaulted is talking about pressing charges.. Next pay per-view " YATES vs JIMMY SPENCER" | ||
| Lake_bueller |
When's the replay? I had to work today and missed everything. Our stupid cable at work does't have Speed Channel  | ||
| Smitty |
I’m sure it will be on highlights. Yates is consistent lying across the track to stop a race in order to get back in. Another race also taking out with aggressive riding Frankie Chili and others at Laguna. He has issues and is a hazard. Hard charger good rider I have liked and enjoyed him over the years. But now I hope he has his licensee pulled for the season. He is the professional pulling upon the slower rider he needed to use better judgement. He took the both of them out. | ||
| Blake |
Yates should be fired by Yoshimura, banned from AMA racing for the remainder of the season, and fined a hefty abount. I lost all respect for him. What a child. And the crash was 100% his fault!!! | ||
| Benm2 |
It was a racing incident. Considering the amount of adrenaline that sort of situation must bring on, its certainly understandable. Drop some fines, maybe some nice finger wagging for good measure. If the other rider chooses to press charges, they should be considered independant of his racing license. Dunno about all his fault. Looked like the lapper stood the bike up, surprised by the outside pass. | ||
| Xben9r |
I agree with Blake 150% I think they should pull him out of racing and seek criminal charges. In the replay they edited out where he jumped on Anthony Fania with both feet as he was trying to get up. That should not be tolerated at all. I think they should make Yates feel lucky if he gets to race tricycles in the next 5 years. There are plenty of people that are much better sports as well as racers that would provide much more entertainment on the track than that piece of garbage. Ben  P.S. here is this big losers reply about this Aaron Yates On His D200 Not his finest moment by Evan Williams Saturday, March 06, 2004 Suzuki's Aaron Yates fought hard --literally and figuratively -- in Saturday's Daytona 200. The Georgian was in second place when he crashed, then clashed with Anthony Fania of the KWS team. "I was watching my board, riding as hard as I could, trying to keep an even pace and hoping that Mat would come back (to me)," Yates said after the race. Although he was in contention, Yates said things weren't really going his way in this year's 200. "The bike never really felt like it was in previous times out," he said. Another problem was a vibration from his second tire. "I was really concerned about that," he said. "I was letting off on the banking." Yates was on a two stop strategy. In the hot afternoon sun, Aaron found the Suzuki didn't give him the feel he needed. "Earlier, I could get it broken lose and drive it and spin it and slide it. It was real predictable and I could do mid-50s like that." Yates said the bike wasn't as easy to develop a rhythm in the conditions on the race. "Then that guy pulls out in front of me." Yates said he felt Fania was at fault for the crash, although not everyone in the paddock felt the same. What happened after the crash? "I felt like I had to do something, but I didn't like... I just went through the motions. I didn't really put any effort into hurting anybody or anything. He kept egging me on, kept waving at me, like 'come on, come on,'" Yates said. | ||
| Xben9r |
In case you missed it.... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dan.vitale/video/fightclub.mpg | ||
| Smitty |
Here is a link to comments from both parties. Yosh crew went over to the other pit yelling and cursing broke a monitor etc. I guess Yates fits into the general mindset of the Yosh suzuk team. The Yosh team seems just as bad.  http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=5922 | ||
| Blake |
"He kept egging me on, kept waving at me, like 'come on, come on,'" Yates said BULLSHIT!!! When Yates jumped him he was in obvious pain, trying to get his senses and still straightening up from the crash. Then he rams him with his helmet. Fired he should be. Ben, if that happened in the CMRA, Yates would be OUT. That is NOT racing. That is inexcusable. | ||
| Dynarider |
If you are passing another rider its your job to do so cleanly. Yates fucked up even trying the outside pass there. If any of us did that shit in our jobs we would be fired, why should yates be treated any differently? | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Dyna you said it best. "If you are passing it is YOUR responsibility to do it cleanly" Yates cut it too close to Fanya. The after action was as has been stated, unexcusable. | ||
| Darthane |
If any of us did that shit in our jobs we would be fired, why should yates be treated any differently? <~~Dyna You have to ask that in America? Think about it for a moment. LOL Proof that adults aren't always grown up. Yates fucked up and had a temper tantrum, just like a 2 year old. That it was his own damned fault doesn't make one shred of difference to him, again, just like a toddler. | ||
| Benm2 |
I've seen more than a few deliberately bad passes at club races, and I've seen pit altercations where no cameras caught the action (but everyone else did, including officials). Some talking to's took place, daily dq's, etc. People have done FAR more dangerous things to other riders (as Bayliss about Melandri's move last season) while still ON the bike, but we're going to make an issue out of this? A little post crash altercation? Fine 'em, pull his points. There are examples throughout the US sports arena's where this sort of shoving / posturing crap results in nothing at all (NFL, NBA, at least). The incedent last season (laying on the track) was far more likely to hurt someone than this stunt. Or Miguel's handful of gravel. Why should the punishment for this exceed that doled out for those? The CMRA would suspend permanently? I'd figured in Texas, the officials would hand them pistols and give them 50 paces each for a showdown in pit lane.  | ||
| Davegess |
Totally Yate's fault. I think not. He has to pass the guy and he has to pass him fight now so he dosn't loose the leaders. The guy is set up way inside, just the spot he should be to lead the lead pack pass him with out slowing them down. Than he move over to get back on line for the turn. You gotta figure Yates is thinking this guy is giving us room to get by. He can't atke him on the inside, ther is no room room inside, he can't slow down to and wait this guy is crawling around the track he does the only thing he can and goes out side. The guy moves over. I gootat figure that he thinks the leaders are past and I can get back on my line. Shoulda looked. I say the crash is 80% the back markers fault 20% bad racing luck. Yates did the only thin he could do to try and stay with the leaders. After the crash his actions are way over the top. I would give a couple of shoves, maybe even a swing with a fist, (after all the guy just cost him a chance at a million bucks and could have killed him) but the jump over the bike with the feet plant to the back of a guy who is down? No way, that could have resulted in serious injury. What if the guy has a serious injury? You could kill him. Yates to work on that temper. Now before you all get upset about the swing to the head deal, I grew watch dirt track cars and the old indy roadsters. Stupid moves by other people could very easily get you killed. One way to get that message across was a post race punch. I used to lay a lot of playground basketball and there are always guys who take cheap shots at people, stuff that could cause serious injury, now my approach is to verbally get on the guy but some time it takes more than that to defend yourself . I would have had no trouble with Yates having at the guy a little. A push or two or a punch but the kick to the back was way over the top. | ||
| Dynarider |
Dave, I dont see where Fania moved over into yates line. No mirrors on those bikes & its not Fanias job to make sure yates can get around him. Yates took a gamble that Fania wouldnt go a bit wide & he lost, simple as that. | ||
| Smitty |
he can't slow down to and wait this guy is crawling around the track? This guy crawling arround the track qualifies at 110% of the pole Yates used poor judgement and further qualified this with his actions.He knows the risks of passing back markers read the article quotes from Fania. | ||
| Lake_bueller |
Just watched the clip over on the Borg. It looks to me (when watching frame by frame) that Fania was moving to the outside in order to give the inside line to Yates. I don't know enough about race etiquette to say whos right or wrong in regards to the crash. As for the retaliation....sit his a$$ down for at least 1 race. This is a professional sport. There's no reason Yates needs to take the low road. Accidents happen in any motorsport. On a funnier note....did anyone notice that Fania was gesturing (and probably telling) Yates to suck is youknowwhat  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Realistically I think Lake's got it about right. If it was a ballgame there'd be a fine & a suspension, How often did we see bench clearing brawls in MLB last season? did anyone get suspended for more than a few games? nope, did anyone get banned for a season? nope, I'm not saying what he did was right, obviously it's not, but when the top sportsmen can get away with it he will too, or his lawyer's not worth his fee!  | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Yates...what an asshole. I've lost all respect for him. Just dont expect any real punishment however... | ||
| Cj_xb |
I thought he acted like a STUPID little child, looked very silly jumping up and down like that !! Doesn't make the sport of motorcycle racing look good !! And yes he probably had a lot of adrenaline going on, but to kick the guy in the back with both feet before he even got up, was positively wrong in my opinion !! When a person is getting up from a crash, like Dave said, you don't yet know if he has any serious injuries !! And why would ANY self respecting man, angry or not, get someone from behind while he has NO CLUE it's coming !! The rest, including the silly childish head butt, and gesturing by the other guy seemed harmless at that point !! CJ  | ||
| Blake |
Dave, Dude, I love and respect you man. I cannot let your misconceptions go unchallenged on this issue. You are so wrong on so many levels (in my opinion of course). So prepare yee for stern rebuttal! Here it is... "Totally Yate's fault. I think not. He has to pass the guy and he has to pass him fight now so he dosn't loose the leaders." Were you watching the same race I was watching? Yates had already LOST the LEADER and was falling further behind. "The guy is set up way inside, just the spot he should be to lead the lead pack pass him with out slowing them down. Than he move over to get back on line for the turn." Again, not what I saw, and I saw it replayed at least five times, some in slow motion. Yates ran into Fania through no fault or misdeed of Fania. "You gotta figure Yates is thinking this guy is giving us room to get by. He can't take him on the inside, there is no room room inside, he can't slow down to and wait this guy is crawling around the track he does the only thing he can and goes out side." No. I don't "gotta figure" that. I saw what happened. Fania was "crawling" around the track? So it's okay to run into a racer if he is slower than you? And then when you hit the slower racer and cause a crash, it's no big deal to wage asault and battery upon him before he is even up and collected from the crash?  "The guy moves over. I gotta figure that he thinks the leaders are past and I can get back on my line. Shoulda looked." There were no "leaders" just one "leader" and he was FAR ahead of Yates. Neither do "I gotta figure" diddly squat. The rule of racing is the bike entering the corner FIRST has the right of way. Fania was into the corner first. "I say the crash is 80% the back markers fault 20% bad racing luck. Yates did the only thin he could do to try and stay with the leaders." Nope, as stated above, the first bike into a corner has the right of way. The crash was 100% Yates. He should have waited until after the corner to pass or given a wider birth to Fania. The moment a motorcycle racer starts acting upon what he imagines the lapped racer in front is going to do, how he is taking a huge risk. There is more than one line around a given turn, assuming the guy that you have not previously followed through the turn will take any specific line is gambling and with short odds. Yates gambled and lost. His fault, 100%. "...the guy just cost him a chance at a million bucks" Huh? A million bucks? Where? From what? "I used to play a lot of playground basketball and there are always guys who take cheap shots at people" A foul in a basketball game is a bit different from blatantly attacking someone. "...my approach is to verbally get on the guy but some times it takes more than that to defend yourself. I would have had no trouble with Yates having at the guy a little. A push or two or a punch but the kick to the back was way over the top." Yates was not "defending himself"; he was attacking a potentially injured crash victim. I'm glad you see his actions as being way over the top. I certainly agree. I for one never condone taking the law into one's own hands. The AMA and our courts provide for that. Yates is an idiot and a class B racer. Did you see what he did on lap 11?... The commentary from www.roadracingworld.com...
That is a not unknown scenario for Yates. He pushes too hard, rides above his head, and runs off the track. He did the same exact thing last year at Daytona. | ||
| Blake |
The main thing is, you cannot allow such behavior. A slap on the wrist will set an unfortunate precedent, not only for other AMA racers, but for all the young fans of the sport. Nope, he needs to be out. And if I were Fania, I'd be taking Yates to court. The AMAPR Rulebook says...
On a related line... Did anyone see the finish of the Supersport race? I'm surprised that AMAPR did not penalize Jason Disalvo for his wild and dangerous blocking move. He darn near ran Roger Lee Hayden into the grass. Hayden certainly was forced to take evasive action. edited by blake on March 07, 2004 | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
If it had been just the headbutt I think many of us would have just tossed it down to Yates being Yates. IT was the double kick to the back of an already staggering and obviously confused rider that has all of us majorly burned. What would Yates have said if it turned out Fania was so far gone he didn't know he had injured his back badly and Yates finished the job with his stupidity? It isn't the first time a severely injured rider had dazedly gotten up only to collapse moments later. Yates went beyond poor judgment with that attack. | ||
| Gravedigger |
Yates acted like a child in this situation. While watching this race, I fealt the accident was clearly his fault. I disagree with those that say he should be susupended for the entire season, but do feel a suspension for his actions are neccessary! Suspend him for a couple races. That should be just enough to mathmatically eliminate him from a chance at the season championship. Hopefully he will learn his lesson and not act in such a manner in the future. Keith | ||
| Uwgriz |
It looked to me that Fania was coming in too hot to maintain the inside line he was on and started to straighten up to go wide. That being said, since he was the first guy to the corner, the responsibility lies with Yates to either back off or pass cleanly. Obviously in a race Yates isn't going to want to back off even for a second to give a lapped bike more room but the alternative left him and his bike in a heap and his virtually guaranteed fourth place nowhere to be found. | ||
| M1combat |
One race suspension and a stiff fine. Jumping on someones back after a crash is a very serious mistake. He crashed into Fania, it was his fault IMO about 80% only because the guy he hit WAS a backmarker and should have been more careful. That said though, He's a backmarker dude... Stay the heck out of his way as much as you can. | ||
| Shooter |
yes he was a back marker, who qualified within 110% of the pole...Look how may riders finished on the lead lap, 5 I think.In a 200 mile race, getting thru traffic safely is required if you want to win, just like tire management etc.Yates blew it. | ||
| Bomber |
if the possible winners were the only folks allowed on the track, no one would watch races . . . .there are ALWAYS backmarkers (and, yes, I speak from experience) . . . the closing speeds between front runners and also rans has been an issue since the first race ever, and the racing community has decided to settle on the position that it is the passer's reposnibility to pass safely . . . .. hence, no mirrors on race bike (and most cars) . . . . I couldn't tell from the video's about how the passed rider was altering/not altering his line, but the passer hit him . .. it's the passer's fault . . .. I'm not even gonna address the activities after the get off (it apparently never occured to either of them that they were walking away from a crash at Daytona, ferrcirsssakes!) . .. . Yates is due a fine and a ban of some length . .. . I wouldn't race with him (but then I would have qualified at 267% of the pole ;-} ) | ||
| Shooter |
Suzuki Fines Yates $25,000 by dean adams Monday, March 08, 2004 This just in from Suzuki: BREA, Calif. (March 8, 2004) - American Suzuki Motor Corporation (ASMC) today announced that Team Yoshimura Suzuki factory rider Aaron Yates will be sanctioned for his actions at the season-opening round of the AMA/Chevy Trucks Superbike Championship Series in Daytona Beach, Fla., on Saturday, March 6, 2004. According to ASMC, Yates acted in an unsportsman-like manner while representing Team Yoshimura Suzuki. His personal conduct has resulted in ASMC levying a $25,000 fine against Yates. "I understand the frustration that Aaron was feeling," said Mel Harris, vice president of ASMC's Motorcycle/ATV Operations. "This was the second consecutive year where he would have had a podium finish at the Daytona 200 if circumstances hadn't intervened. Despite that frustration, cooler heads must prevail in professional racing situations. We at Suzuki feel that the fine is appropriate for the conditions." ENDS |
