| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
Back in the very beginning, Rossi was dead set against having Lorenzo as a team mate. He lobbied VERY hard to keep Colin Edwards as his team mate and have Lorenzo ride for Tech3, but Yamaha was having none of that. The original excuse for the wall was the fact that Lorenzo would still be running Michelin Tires, and so would have to share data with Edwards and Toseland on the Tech3 team, while Rossi would be unique in running Bridgestones. The next year was when they went to the spec tire, but Rossi wanted to leave the wall up anyway. Lorenzo proved himself immune to Rossi's head games in any event. (Message edited by jaimec on November 06, 2013) | ||
| Jaimec |
Wow! This is HUGE (and not in a GOOD way): http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131106burg ess.htm | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It's been talked about all season and from what I read previously is more about retirement and has nothing to do with Rossi's performance other than if Rossi did win he would consider another season. In other words Burgess leaving has been prepared for so it's not so HUGE nor so BAD. Rocket in England | ||
| Jaimec |
He leaves VERY big shoes to fill... | ||
| Bads1 |
Yep he does but does someone from Rossi's camp fill the shoes?? Im thinkin so. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
We know Burgess is the crew chief GOAT but right now and hitting his peak, Ramon Forcada is smoother with his wrench control. Uses lighter socket wrenches. Doesn't hang off the tool box. And Burgess is taller and sports a middle age spread. It's unlikely Burgess will sign for another year unless he's given a toolbox identical to Forcada's and access to his laptop! Rocket in England | ||
| Simond |
 Funny, I was watching a re-run of the '93 Assen TT this afternoon. The view of a youthful Burgess hanging off the pit wall made me realise just how long he has been around. Great race between Doohan, Schwantz and Barros. Barros seemed to have the legs on the other two until he binned it on the last lap. | ||
| Jaimec |
Maybe they can poach Guy Coulon from Tech3... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Coulon might be a great engine designer and builder but Burgess is the grandmaster of connecting a racers brain to the contact patch. Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
We know Burgess is the crew chief GOAT but right now and hitting his peak, Ramon Forcada is smoother with his wrench control. Uses lighter socket wrenches. Doesn't hang off the tool box. And Burgess is taller and sports a middle age spread. It's unlikely Burgess will sign for another year unless he's given a toolbox identical to Forcada's and access to his laptop! Touche!! On a serious note, I doubt of Burgess is actually a better engineer than other crew chiefs these days. His main skill has always been to keep the riders head straight, and Rossi will need to have somebody in his corner who can do the same mind tricks. | ||
| Jaimec |
I'd heard that's pretty much what Forcada does with Lorenzo. He'll outright LIE to Lorenzo rather than give him "disturbing" information, just so Lorenzo will stay focused on the job at hand. All Jorge needs to "worry" about is the race itself. The crew will take care of everything else. | ||
| Jaimec |
Here's a different spin on the story: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131107ross iburgess.htm It was Rossi's idea??? | ||
| Bads1 |
Sounds like it Jaime. Maybe Burgess just isn't what he used to be. Maybe hes completely burnt out and Rossi can see it. It doesn't however sound like there is bitterness though for some reason. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Hasn't Burgess stayed at home in Australia this season for three or so of the European races? I seem to remember it was this that lead to the retirement story, and it being no secret. Rocket in England (Message edited by rocket_in_uk on November 07, 2013) | ||
| Jaimec |
Jeremy "sat out" a few races to take care of an ailing father... I remember that story from a year or two ago. Maybe it was a mutual decision, and Vale decided to take the heat for it? Who knows. Be interesting to see who he brings in to fill Jeremy's shoes, though... | ||
| Bads1 |
I think it may be someone already within his group that knows him well and give him the boost he says he needs?? | ||
| Trojan |
Hasn't Burgess stayed at home in Australia this season for three or so of the European races? I think that it was last year that he went back to Oz for a while when his wife was being treated for cancer, although didn't miss much of the season if I remember correctly. I can't understand why Rossi is now the bad guy here becaue he has let his crew chief go? This happens all the time, and as David Emmett puts it on his web site motomatters.com, this is one of the few things that Rossi can actually change to see if the problem lies with him or the team around him. Burgess has apprently been unhappy for a while and enjoys winning much more than racing unlike Rossi, who enjoys racing regardless of winning), so it is not surprising that maybe he is lacking motivation recently. Either way, it is just more ammunition for the Rossi haters who don't/can't see the bigger picture involved here. | ||
| Jaimec |
Ah, I "mis-remembered." Thanks. I knew it was someone close to him! Actually, I seem to remember hearing stories that he was going to retire THIS year, but Rossi convinced him that he NEEDED him on his Yamaha return. | ||
| Xb1125r |
i think those guys got a free ride, remeber how they were going to fix the ducati,lol the fact his team and Rossi are done. Rossi can't help lorenzo and he should just retire and enjoy life. he should buy the AMA and fix it, if he really wants a challlenge | ||
| Trojan |
I think I can hear a stuck record scratching away somewhere............................. | ||
| Jaimec |
Oh boy: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131108b.ht m I wonder if there's even any point in watching the race on Sunday? On the other hand, when I give up on a contest and decide NOT to watch, it usually doesn't go the expected route (an example would be the American League Baseball play-offs in 2004...). Maybe the best thing I can do for Jorge is turn off the DVR and stay away from the TV on Sunday. | ||
| Simond |
I wouldn't worry. Lorenzo was looking distressed, he abandoned his fastest lap, then the garage door came down, then he went out for a late run....... I think there are a few games being played here. When they pulled up for practice starts this morning Lorenzo pulled up behind Marquez and bumped his back wheel. Marquez shook his head and rode off. Anything can happen at Valencia - I seem to remember Bautista taking out several bikes at the first corner a few years ago. | ||
| Jaimec |
Wow, this flies in the face of the rumors that Jeremy was planning on retiring any way... http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresul ts/MotoGP/2013/November2/nov0813-burgess-stunned-a t-dismissal/ | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I am really confused by this as I know I read earlier this year Burgess was thinking about retirement. The link you posted earlier Jamie, about Rossi persuading Burgess to stay another year, I heard that months ago, and that was the time I read about Burgess wanting to spend more time with his family, thus retire. Could this be some sort of mind game. What is going on? Rocket in England | ||
| Jaimec |
Tune in tomorrow for another chapter of "As the Camshaft Turns..." | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
According to the The Telegraph’s inside sources Rossi is going to retire at the end of the 2012 season before his legendary status is even further tainted. Apparently the rumors are based Rossi hasn’t gotten over his 2010 injuries (more likely his shoulder, than his leg) and that Jeremy Burgess will be leaving for personal reasons. http://www.twowheelsblog.com/tag/jeremy+burgess It's all I could find from the UK. Rocket in England | ||
| Jaimec |
Well, Marquez is on the pole, but we know how much that means whenever Lorenzo is anywhere in the first two rows. Looks like the really exciting race will be Moto3, as whichever one of the top three wins will win the title. Lorenzo not only has to win, Marquez has to finish worse than fourth (something that hasn't happened this year if he's finished the race). Like I said, best we can hope for is for Pedrosa to pull the same move on his team mate as he did in 2006. Otherwise, Lorenzo will need Rossi and both Tech3 riders to stay in front of Marquez. The odds of that happening are about the same as me winning an AMA SBK round as a wild card. | ||
| Trojan |
I am really confused by this as I know I read earlier this year Burgess was thinking about retirement. He was, when they were at Ducati and Rossi weas considering leaving. Burgess said then that he didn't know if he would go back to Yamaha with Vale and was considering retirement. However that was all brushed aside when they got the Yamaha gig and Burgess was ready for another two seasons until the end of 2014 with Rossi. This decision has been entirely on Rossis side and although it is unpopular I can see exactly why he has made it. He is hoping that a change of crew will bring that laast few tenths back that he is lacking. if this doesn't work then he knows the only variable he hasn't changed is himself, and will retire sooner rather than later. I wouldn't worry. Lorenzo was looking distressed, he abandoned his fastest lap That was wired, becaue he was on course for a record lap and abandoned it only at the last moment to come back into the paddock. Afterwards he said that he felt the engine lose power, but was on a faster lap? If he does have engine problems then he is sunk, simply becuase he has no new engines left to work with, so will either have to use an older engine (as fitted to his second bike) or start from pit lane  Although we have seen winners from pit lane at valencia before of course...... | ||
| Simond |
This confirms to me that there is no machinery difference between Lorenzo and Rossi. If he thought that he had an inferior bike he would not be doing this; he'd be shouting for what Lorenzo has. As I think Jaimec said earlier, Lorenzo was quicker than Rossi on the Yamaha before he jumped ship to Ducati. | ||
| Jaimec |
If Rossi is looking for a crew chief familiar with MotoGP AND Yamaha, well... I realize it is an outside shot but... isn't Tom Houseman currently unemployed? |
