| Author | Message | ||
     Trojan |
the kid did not have the clearance to pass He wasn't trying to pass, he was on the outside going into a sharp left corner so passing would have been almost impossible there anyway. He made a mistake under braking (or Pedrosa braked earlier than usual) which meant he clipped the back of Danis bike. if you bothered to watch racing then you'd know that this sort of thing happens all the time in almost every race if it is close. The contact is NOT what caused the accident, the broken sensor wire was. Who the FIM decide to blame is anyones guess, but it would not surprise me to see Marquez lose points because it will make the championship closer, nothing else. The irony is that if HRC make a complaint then that could in effect hand the advantage to Lorenzo, so it is not in Hondas interest to see Marquez lose points either. I guess Pedrosa could clip the kid with 4 races to go and drop him in points Think back a few years to 2006 (if you were old enough to stay up late enough to watch back then). Dani hit the back of his team mate Nicky Hayden forcing him off track when he was fighting for a championship. Not a slight touch or minor braking error but a full bore ram up the backside unfortunately. Would Dani have received more punishment now? Yes he would, but he didn't then. This is racing, not a knitting competition  Bautista put the scare on Rossi with a lesser bike. Please explain how the Honda is any lesser bike than the Yamaha right now? Even the customer Hondas are faster than the factory Yamahas, and if Bautista can get close to a podium they must be pretty good! | ||
| Jaimec |
Matt: Why even bother responding to the troll?? It just encourages him. Asphalt & Rubber has a good write-up of "The Incident:" http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/summary-sun day-aragon-gp-2013/ | ||
| Bads1 |
certainly in terms of rider and fan enjoyment I wouldn't say that as far as the fans are concerned. I've been there and more the once. The track the riders have complained of the surface (infield) it getting taken care of now. COTA I hear of friends that went. Can't bring anything in as far as food and only one bottle of water. Camera's??? That sucks to if your hobby photographer. Nothing longer then I believe 8 inch lens and not a whole lot of places to shoot from unless fence. I'd like to go but pricey. Best place was Laguna..... loved it!!! | ||
| Svh |
+1,000,000 to what Jaime just said. The posts do have a small amount of head shaking entertainment value but that is about it. Never try to reason with the unreasonable! | ||
| Jaimec |
WOW! I wonder how this author REALLY feels?? http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/dani-pedrosa-motogp s-biggest-parasite/ | ||
| Trojan |
Best place was Laguna..... loved it!!! As did riders, TV audiences and fans alike. The only people who didn't were the ones holding the purse strings at DORNA. Laguna is a good track to watch, but not up to modern GP safety standards unfortunately either. lack of run off (as evidenced by the inordinately long delay at WSb to repair a damaged air fence), poor track surface, lack of paddock space for Moto 3 and Moto2 and lack of access for the majority of US race fans have all held a dagger to the throat of Laguna for some years. The fact that the track owners have not addressed these problems before speaks volumes to me about their comittment to MotoGP rather than their carefully worded statement. If they really want to see MotoGP at Laguna again then they need to spend a lot of money on the facility to get it up to the standards of COTA. As for not allowing drinks and food etc. That is becoming pretty standard at sporting events these days and is connected with terms of catering contracts with vendors at the track racing. | ||
| Bads1 |
But pricing water at 3.50 and up a bottle and food 150% mark up doesn't keep you coming to the event. I can gt water cheaper at NFL football game. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Even the customer Hondas are faster than the factory Yamahas, and if Bautista can get close to a podium they must be pretty good! He rode it well on Sunday to be fair. I can't say I know enough about him to say how bad or good he is. But yes the Honda is helping them to the front. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Rossi could not cath my granma. I expect he's not that desperate for an older woman to be brutally honest. Rocket in England | ||
| Xb1125r |
Did I mentioned grandma with pizza | ||
| Gaesati |
Cricket, Jaimec, how did you come across Boris and his ilk. He is the bad boy of Australian motorcycle journalism. His columns are always erudite , cleverly written and invariably highly offensive to whomever his current target is. | ||
| Jaimec |
He REALLY doesn't like Dani, does he? I think his venom should be directed more towards Spooge than to Pedrosa, though. | ||
| Trojan |
It has been confirmed....Josh Herrin will ride for Caterham next year in Moto2 alongside Johan Zarco. They will use a Suter chassis and it is part of Caterham's bid to be a motorcycle manufacturer and put a 600cc road bike on the market. All sounds very good, I only hope they make a more competitive job of it than they have so far with their F1 team. | ||
| Trojan |
Another expert view (Matt Oxley) of the Marquez/Pedrosa clash here... http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race /marquez-and-pedrosa-clash/ It would also apear that Ben Spies' place in the Ducati Pramac team is nowhere near as secure as the team have promised in recent interviews. Both Johnathan Rea and now Eugene Laverty have apprently been offered the ride in place of Ben so far (who knows who else has been approached). rea was actually offered a contract but declined in favour of staying at Pata Honda for another year (poor decision in my view...) but Laverty is out of contract at the end of the year regardless of his final position in the WSB series..even if he wins, so is serioulsy looking at alternatve employment in the MotoGP paddock. His favoured ride is for Aspar (paid by Aprilia) but he is said to be seeriously considering a move to Pramac if Aprilia don't get their skates on and produce a contract soon. Spies would then be 1st in line to race the Panigale for Ducati next year. A job nobody else is very keen to take so far. (Message edited by trojan on October 02, 2013) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Did I mentioned grandma with pizza Well. as good as Schumacher never became on a bike, I did spot him delivering Pizza in Dubai, so maybe yer granma is faster than Rossi after all!  Now you know why Schumacher finally retired from F1. Far more lucrative delivering pizza around Dubai obviously. Don't forget. You heard it here from me first Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
 Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
 Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Did I mentioned grandma with pizza Well. as good as Schumacher never became on a bike, I did spot him delivering Pizza in Dubai, so maybe yer granma is faster than Rossi after all! Now you know why Schumacher finally retired from F1. Far more lucrative delivering pizza around Dubai obviously. Don't forget. You heard it here from me first Rocket in England | ||
| Gaesati |
Marquez is overdue to meet someone as hard as Capirossi( Remember his 250 title). | ||
| Trojan |
Marquez is overdue to meet someone as hard as Capirossi He already has...Rossi and Lorenzo aren't exacty girl guides when it comes to liking a bit of fairing bashing. problem is they can't get close enough to Marquez often enough to bang fairings with him (and then he doesn't hang around long enough to play properly!). It will be interesting to see him renew his battle with Scott redding and Espagaro Jr next year, but even then until they get proper factory bikes it won't be equal machinery. | ||
| Jaimec |
So in 2014, the US loses a round, but Spain still keeps FOUR??? http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Oct/131002a.ht m Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!! | ||
| Trojan |
That won't last much longer. jerez is skint and is still subject to contract, provided they can raise the necessary money. It may happen next year but 2015 will see at least one Spanish round dropped for sure (probably in favour of Moldovia or somewhere equally remote). (Message edited by trojan on October 02, 2013) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Looking at the season as a whole so far, Marquez has had a good bit of luck to get him to 39 points in front. I take nothing away from his derring do skills but putting him on the best bike on the grid by far and having only one other bike capable of competing, Moto GP is in desperate need of a major shake up. And please no one tell me the Yamaha is capable of beating the Honda. Only on the odd track and with a bit of luck and a huge effort from Lorenzo, and Rossi one time! Now they're moaning from several corners Marquez is too hard and needs to calm down. Yeah only because the championship has lost its shine somewhat for the far away rounds now it's all over bar the shouting. Had they have reigned Marquez in a bit before summer break with some points removed or starts from the back row, maybe the championship wouldn't be over. But let's be truthful here. The wire snapping on Pedrosa's bike only happened, not because Marquez was fairing bashing, but because he went in way to hot and had to go around the outside to avoid taking Pedrosa out. In doing so he 'brushed' I think was the word they used in MCN, Pedrosa's bike. In my book that is clearly Marquez riding too wild, which is not the same as aggressive fairing bashing. Rocket in England | ||
| Jaimec |
LOVED this graphic from over at Motorcycle.com:  | ||
| Trojan |
In my book that is clearly Marquez riding too wild, which is not the same as aggressive fairing bashing I disagree. Marquez has moved the goalposts in what is considered to be 'safe' riding this year that's all. In the past we have had plenty of seasons where swapping paint was a regular affair and nobody batted an eyelid. Scwantz vs Rainey, Doohan vs everyone. In 250 and Moto2 the racing is like this ALL the time but MotoGP seems to have calmed down and got very gentlemanly recently. If Lorenzo and Pedrosa have to up their game to fight Marquez then so be it. Marc wasn't riding dangerously when he 'brushed' Pedrosa last week, he just braked slightly later. How many riders miss their braking points during a race? Lots is the answer, although most just run off track on their own or crash out. We have seen plenty of incidents in the past though of riders running into the back of another under braking and Pedrosa hardly has a clean sheet in this regard. Marquez was very unlucky to contact Pedrosa last week and was taking avoiding action when it happened. Pedrosa was incredibly even more unlucky in having the sensor wire break. A one in a million event. The blame (if any) should be firmly laid at the door of HRC, and if the FIM wants to take any action it really should look at mandatory back up sensors for essential systems, and the way that TC defaults to OFF in the event of a fault instead of a failsafe mode of full TC. If Honda don't want both riders to race each other they should have issued team orders a long time before now. Motor Racing is Dangerous...That is what it used to say on the back of your ticket when you went to watch racing. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I agree Matt, but reading Marquez's comments in MCN, and those of others, in this instance it wasn't a case of him braking late or missing a braking point. He overcooked it big time. I love hard racing and fairing bashing, but this incident that corner, Marquez is showing some impatience and a willingness to take a chance where he didn't really need to. He was likely afraid Lorenzo would run away again. He needed to calm it down and not rush it through those first laps, and use the great racing head he's been gifted with 100% of the time. He will be the complete package, just like Rossi! What's his rush knowing what he already knows..... (who am I to tell Marquez how to ride and race) Rocket in England | ||
| Gaesati |
" Racing is dangerous" I agree. My fear is that Marquez or someone he contacts will undergo a one in a million accident like simoncelli. | ||
| Trojan |
My fear is that Marquez or someone he contacts will undergo a one in a million accident like simoncelli. That is the risk they all take in racing unfortunately. I've seen accidents very similar to the one that ended Marco's life where everyone walked away with bruises or at most broken bones. Others are more serious. When you get hit by a following bike (or hit something solid and unmoving like Dajira Kato did!) the outcome is in the lap of the gods, and it has very little to do with riders behaviour or leaving safe margins when braking, which is the current argument by Pedrosa et al. Take a look at this one involving Franco Uncini and Wayne Gardner back in the day. It is incredibly similar to Simoncellis accident but with a much happier ending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXWK09BRhTM Uncini had his helmet ripped off but survived and is now one of the GP riders safety reps. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
and it has very little to do with riders behaviour or leaving safe margins when braking, which is the current argument by Pedrosa et al. Well they're bound to say something along those lines, and as spectators we have come to enjoy his seemingly heroic antics wrestling a 250bhp GP motorcycle around a track nothing like what we've been use to seeing before during this current era of bike, so we are captivated and forgiving. In that viewing enjoyment though is a mask. A mask which we all know is covering (forgiving) a somewhat risky approach to Marquez's riding. He takes no prisoners and shows little to no regard for other riders (yet) in his quest to win. Right now he's a little like that line in Top Gun which Iceman delivers to Maverick which I can't quote word for word but it goes something like "yes you are good, but right now you're dangerous". Rocket in England (Message edited by rocket_in_uk on October 03, 2013) | ||
| Bads1 |
But Sean there was the day when electronics were not on the bikes and they were 200 plus HP.... violent and on inferior tires that we have today. They may be wrestling more HP but racing and the bikes are much much more safer then yesteryear. |
