| Author | Message | ||
     Rich |
Well, Jorge stopped the streak. Not Marquez' march to the title, though | ||
| Trojan |
Matt one of the things I don't understand about everyone raving about Moto2 is it is just a spec class. For years all I ever heard about AMA flat track racing was "It is nothing but a bunch of Harley's racing. I think that there are few big differences: 1. Moto 2 IS a spec class, but is a world championship that uses state of the art chassis technology and the best young riders in the world (mostly). It just happens to use identical Honda supplied engines (the engines are actually supplied by a 3rd party tuner not directly from Honda). It could just as easily run Yamaha, kawasaki, Suzuki or even Triumph engines if they had bothered to tender for the contract when it was first suggested. Honda were the ONLY factory that tendered for the engine contract remember. 2. Moto 2 has provided some of the best 7 closest racing we have seen for some time in world championship road racing. With MotoGP being pretty boring it is good to see young up and coming riders fighting for a championship. 3. Mile flat track racing is a US based sport and doesn't really translate outside the USA unfortunately. There is a growing short track scene outside the US, but Harley racing doesn't really figure in it. Most road racing fans want to see close racing and Moto2 provides just that regardless of engine used. 4. Moto2 replaced the old 250 series, which was in effect a spac class anyway. if you wanted to win you needed to run a factory Aprilia or you were toast. The costs involved in that were so ludricrous that the series was dying on its feet. Moto2 has provided a spectacular and affordable alternative feeder series to MotoGP. 5. The fact that Marc Marquez & Stefan Bradl have adjusted so quickly to MotoGP shows that the formula for Moto2 is about right so far. I'm pretty sure that both Scott Redding and Pol Espagaro will be just as quick to adapt. As for Silverstone...Spectacular racing in all 3 classes and a great MotoGP race. Pity that Cal couldn't do the business at his home GP, but after his crash fest this weekend I'm surprised he even had a bike left to race on! Scott Redding was great and now has a decent lead again in Moto2 that he can defend for the rest of the season hopefully. With all 3 World superbike/supersport races being won by Brits is was a good weekend altogether  | ||
| Pwnzor |
My wife and I were screaming at the TV during the last 3 laps. She loves Jorge. Me, I like Marc. Seeing somebody that young dominating the class is exciting to me. Jorge's victory was well earned. | ||
| Simond |
There was something of a contrast in marshalling abilities this weekend. At Silverstone the guys picking Cal and his bike out of the dirt were instantly aware of an incoming Marquez and avoided what could have been horrific injuries for both rider and marshals. At the Nurburgring the marshal was still holding a green flag after Sandi's bike had exploded on the entry to a fast left hander. Rea got away with a broken leg after hitting a section of wall not covered with air fencing and Camier came very close to hitting him while on the ground after going down on the same oil spill. | ||
| Xb1125r |
the Master showed the grasshoper. Lorenzo will win the title again. Moto 2 and 1 should be eliminated from the motgoGP circuit and replaced with SBK. | ||
| Trojan |
the Master showed the grasshoper. Lorenzo will win the title again. He won because of a huge effort and riding out of his skin, but mostly because of a last corner mistake by Marquez and a dislocated shoulder. The Yamaha really is outclassed by Honda now and not capable of winning unless Lorenzo has a stunning weekend like he did his week and Honda riders make mistakes. Even the satellite Hondas are causing problems for Yamaha now, which is different to the beginning of the year. With a huge gap to Marquez Lorenzo will have to kidnap the rookie and lock him in the cleaners cupboard for a few months to stop him taking the title now! Moto 2 and 1 should be eliminated from the motgoGP circuit and replaced with SBK. Are you nuts! What would SBK bring that Moto2 doesn't offer? Moto 2 is the best racing spectacle of the three championship series at the moment, and has been since its inception. Moto3 (or 1 as you apparently like to call it) is in the early stages and needs the rules to be tweaked to close the huge loophole that KTM & Mahindra have found, but it is still a competitive class that looks to be as good or better than the previous 125 series in breeding young riders. Both Moto 3 and Moto2 are the logical feeder series for MotoGP, SBK is just a production championship that is getting more dumbed down next year so will be an even bigger gulf from MotoGP standards soon. | ||
| Trojan |
In future, if you need the right passport to get into MotoGP that passport could well be Indonesian/Thai/Malaysian rather than Spanish as is the current fashion... Yet another Asian rider has been pushed into a full time Moto2 ride with little experience and even less talent, but that doesn't seem to worry DORNA or the teams scrabbling for new money from Asia. Azlan Shah Kamaruzaman (a name that nobody outside Malaysia has ever heard of) will be the fourth Asia Road Racing trained rider on the Moto2 grid joining Thailand's Thitipong Warokorn as well as Indonesia's Doni Tata Pradita and Rafid Topan Sucipto (The latter 3 usually propping up the bottom of the grid and around 6 seconds off the pace!). I feel sorry for truly talented riders like Gino Rea who cannot get a ride in a full time Moto2 team but are constantly overlooked in favour of 'pay as you' go riders emerging from new markets with rich sponsors  How long before we have another richly sponsored mobile chicane wobbling around at the back of the MotoGP field? | ||
| Jaimec |
Boy, I can't wait to hear that idiot Ralph Shaheen trying to pronounce THOSE names on Fox Sports 1 here in the States. You guys over there in Europe get spared that pain. It's worse when the races are raced here in the States. Then, the world feed is pre-empted for Shaheen and Scott Russell (who at least knows a little something about motorcycles) but I do enjoy hearing Gavin and Nick over them. One advantage of actually being at the races in Indianapolis is that we hear the world feed at the track, not the US feed they hear on Fox Sports. | ||
| Xb1125r |
well, if you wnat the sport to grow you have to give opportunity to other countries and those countries are going to want to cheer for their home rider, not some british guy or American. just look at soccer, korea and japan and even the USA, were always the joke of the teams, but after a couple of generations these teams are to be respected. i expect the same about the asian riders, given an opportunity they can conquer like the europeans have for centuries. | ||
| Trojan |
well, if you wnat the sport to grow you have to give opportunity to other countries and those countries are going to want to cheer for their home rider, not some british guy or American. I am not disputing that motorcycle racing needs to be more global, nor do I resent any new nationalities or riders entering the series....Providing of course they are up to the standard of world class competition. Unfortunately in the case of the riders named above (and others...) they are clearly nowhere near the required standard or they would not languish so far back in every session. A couple of years honing skills in the Spanish series would help, but so long as they have rich sponsors they seem able to just jump in to the 'elite' class and get in the way every week (or run into other riders as happened at Silverstone TWICE over the weekend!). | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Matt, just to say, I saw your comment in the 'return' topic. Well, never mind my exile from BadWeB these past few years. I've still read this topic, likely word for word, even if at times it's meant playing catch up after months of not looking in. Your passion, knowledge, and understanding, and the info you share that no doubt comes at times from your connections and contacts from within this great sport of motorcycle racing, are what keeps me tuned in here. Mathew Birt doesn't do so bad a job for MCN, but you knock him into a cocked hat mate. Thanks for keeping it real and your opinions as grounded and unbiased as they could be, being a Rossi fanboy as you are, just like me too, lol. Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
Aww Gee mister...you make me blush Ta mate | ||
| Xb1125r |
calm down now trojan, are you asking him to be your mate? | ||
| Bads1 |
If I know Rocket. He gonna have fun with you 1125R.lol | ||
| Firstbuell |
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| Crusty |
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| Rocket_in_uk |
If I know Rocket. He gonna have fun with you 1125R.lol I'm already having fun from 1125. Here's JUST two seasons worth! But he does talk a lot of sense too (sometimes) lol. Rossi is retiring at end of season. he is done look at visordown on rossi, he is gone. without factory bikes, whats the point of motoGP! moto 2 and 3 no one pays attention. Jaimec, Rossi lacks talent. if he was as good as stoner he would stop the excuses and start focusing on him and how he can't adopt to the bike. when a non factory guy is passing you it clearly shows you are done and should retire and stop embarrasing yourself you guys really need to stop leaving in the past. have you ever thought that mayb Rossi was so good becuase his competition should have been in WSBK in the first place and not in MOTO GP class. either way as much as I respect Rossi, he shoudl stop complaining about ducati and either step up his game or leave. the only true test for stoner would be to go to yamaha and win a title with them. then he would e the ultimate champ without a doubt. ducati needs to get rid of Rossi, his talent cant hadle the ducati ducati and marlboro are not tied to anything. Stoner is right and good for him for telling it how it is. MotoGP without Stoner will be racing with lesser quality riders. Rossi has no self respect after leaving yamaha and bad mouthing them he bends over and goes back. no self respect what stoner has done(for me) proved that Rossi is not at the level of Stoner. I would love to see Dovi go to ducati. he is not a cry baby, he would adopt to the bike rossi he has proven his time is past and all his fans need to realize the facts and stop leaving on the cloud Most jump on the Rossi boat and Rossi is God to them. They can't bare another rider being better then Rossi. Stoner makes no excuses he just deals whith whatever bike he has and WINS. its sad to see edwards racing fo rcrappy teams. he should have just retired. Rossi is no Stoner ha ha, i love it spies on ducati. next year will be his year. people are going to be amazed what he can do with that ducati. he will get more podiums then this year, just watch he does not suck, he sucks on a yamaha. but a ducati is a different animal. Stoner rode that Ducati like Rossi could never. but Spies rides in a way that can take advantage of the Ducati. the Ducati is like a MUstang. Wild but if you tame it, it will perform for you. you all just watch. And Dovi will do what Rossi could not either. lol, I respect the love you have for Rossi, no matter how over he is. So I guess Stoner will be racing cars which is the other thing Rossi attempted and failed! I wonder what excuse will Rossi will come up when Dovi passes him this season,lol if Spies or Dovi do better then Rossi. should Rossi retire? Trojan you can't say that there won't be change. I think Anytime you put a German in charge it will improve. they are not money driven like americans. they are more about respect. i mean everyone knows the germans can do anything better then the japps. lol give them time and they will put ducati on top well you will defenatly not see much improvement on the ducati since the germans just took over and it takes time for any team to get to know the product and start testing. just look at Rossi and his team, apparently they were going to make some changes and start winning,lol this just shows that Stoner was the best CHAMP in GP. he won with a ducati and HONDA. no matter what he rides he wins, not like the cry baby Rossi Maybe its becuase Aussies don't like to make excuses or balme someone else. they just get it done with what they have. too bad Rossi is all talk and no talent. Rossi was a joke on a Ducati,lol Its always easier to race when you know Stoner is not on the same track with you to blow you away whenever he feels like it. The funny thing is that Lorenzo has no competition now and he will win again. Rossi should just retire and stop embarrasing himself with excuses I know for alotof you Rossi is King, but like every King their time comes one day. Rossi needs to move on. there is no change he could even finish the season in 3rd place. there is too much talent on the track. Lorenzo is the new KING and no one is going to take his title. As much as I like Marquez because he is a fellow country man, he could not beat Stoner, now beating Rossi is another thing,lol I feel bad for Rossi, he should have retired as champ, now he is heading the same road as edwards. He left Yamaha becuase of Lorenzo and then he comes back to the same house with the tail between his legs. Stoner just got it done, even Dovi is doing better then Rossi on th Ducati. Dovi schooled Rossi,lol Trojan did you see Rossi get schooled again. its funny how he thinks people will forget how he sucked with ducati. the italian that could not win with his italian bike,lol trojan dont loose any sleep over Rossi Moto gp will do just as good without Rossi. you are puttign too much sock on it. comon on now, smith should be gone next year. same bike as crutchlow and he can't keep up. crutchlow should get Rossi's bike next year. Im sure Nicky has made plenty of money, he should retire and get some easy job like being a tv anchor or reporter or commercials. he has been done for a long time. it was easy to see when Stoner was in ducati, how bad Nicky was trojan and jaine stop trolling. michelin sucks, no grip go with pirelli anytime if stoner comes back it will be with a repsol honda, but i wish he would come back on a yamaha and take rossis bike.' now that would be awesome 3 time champ on 3 brands, it would place Stoner as the greatest ever Rossi is done, he got powned by crutchlow. rossi one all those champioships with a 500 a 500 is nowhere a 1000 smoke, its america freedom of speech. this is not China Bads you can love Rossi all you want the thing is he is done. trojan "I must admit, much as I dislike Stoner.....I would love to see him come back for a wild card ride and get his ass handed to him on a plate by marc Marquez" I guess this is because Marquez already schooled Rossi! Stoner would not take a wild card becuase is not worth gettign injured, when there is no big pay check. he has nothing to to prove, he is the man. what would be awesome is Stoner going to yamaha and takign Rossis spot,lol honda offered stoner 15 million,lol and he still has not signed. the germans have somehtign up their sleeve but won't be seen until next season. like rossi , he has been there wayyyyy to long. there are plenty of younger guys that could do do just as well with that factory yamaha lets get back to the old man rossi. first of all he has the same bike as lorenzo and he is nowhere near lorenzo. if he can't keep up, he should give that bike to someone new. like crutchlow! Ford focust number one selling car in the WORLD, toyota can only dream now that the germans are running ducati i would not be surprised if the bike for nextyear is way superior then this year. personally I would love to see a silver AUDI Bike. I know it would kick BMW from the start the Master showed the grasshoper. Lorenzo will win the title again. Moto 2 and 1 should be eliminated from the motgoGP circuit and replaced with SBK. Rocket in England | ||
| Bads1 |
Sean holy shit your killing me.lmao | ||
| Rasta_dog |
If you are going to be wrong, you might as well be spectacularly prolific. | ||
| Svh |
Rocket I don't always agree with you but damn that was funny. Although to be fair it is kinda like shooting fish in a barrel... without water... and the fish are already dead. Welcome back Rocket | ||
| Trojan |
Back on subject.........(although baiting is tempting...) It seems that money has talked yet again in Moto2. Toni Elias has been unsurprisingly and unceremoniously sacked by his Bluesens Moto2 team following dire results since he won the inaugaral Moto2 series back in 2010. No surprise there and about time really.... However, the part I have issues with is his replacement. Argentine rider Ezequiel Iturrioz, currently racing in the Spanish CEV Moto2 championship, will replace Elias for the rest of this season. Iturrioz is currently 13th in the Spanish championship, his best result an eighth place in Aragon, which makes me suspect he has arrived at the back door of the team truck armed with a large carpet bag full of cash, and very little talent to back it up with. Surely a team as big as Bluesens (one of the biggest in the paddock and present in all 3 GP classes!) can afford to employ a properly talented young rider without requiring huge amounts of money from him? I despair.... | ||
| Jaimec |
It's the only thing that makes sense, otherwise why sack a rider so close to the end of the season?? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Hard to Believe Elias' fall from grace really. Quite sad. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
To be fair, it's worth going through 1125's past posts. Some of his comments are spectacularly true - which is also very funny coming from him! He's a winner!! Rocket in England | ||
| Trojan |
It's the only thing that makes sense, otherwise why sack a rider so close to the end of the season?? I would suspect that Elias may have jumped at the same time as being pushed, as it was announced at the same time that he will take over from Fabrizio in the Red devils WSB team for the rest of the season. Fabrizio has 'left' because of poor results but has immediately been snapped up to replace the injured Johnny Rea at Pata Honda until the end of this year. Bluessens had a great opportuntiy to try a young rider with the necessary skill to run at the front of the Moto2 series (Gino Rea springs to mind but there are plenty of others who deserve a shot and who have put the work in and shown some good results in the past) and get a good grounding ready for next season. Instead they fall back on the old 'pay per ride' solution which I found very disapointing, especially from a well heeled and well supported team like them. I would think there has been political pressure from Dorna to get an Argentine rider in at least one class before their first GP next year, but surely that should be based on results first? Kind of similar situation to the F1 debacle of Sauber announcing next years 17 year old Russian driver Sergei Sirotkin before he even has the required superlicence, and while he has achieved nothing in the lower racing classes. No coincidence that Sauber have just been rescued by Russian money of course, and Sergei Sirotkins father is a director of the company supplying the money to the team. Hmmm.......I wonder if there is any connection there? | ||
| Xb1125r |
lol, rocket you must have a lot of time to go thru all my postings. that is some funny stuff i said. I guess i'll never run for politics because Rocket will find my skelletons | ||
| Jaimec |
Something we've been discussing for awhile now: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Sep/130909a.ht m
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. | ||
| Jaimec |
Damn... and he had so much PROMISE when he first came to the series, too: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Sep/130913spie sno13.htm The last non-European to win a MotoGP race. Seems so long ago now. | ||
| Trojan |
I heard a while ago that Ducati and Pramac were very unhappy with the situation, and wanted a firm answer on the 'Spies situation' one way or another. Turning up at every other race intending to 'see how it goes in practice' is no good to team, sponsors or rider at this level. To drop him for the rest of the year probably made more sense 8 weeks ago than now, but better late than never I suppose. Now the team can concentrate on getting a rider to fill in for the final 6 rounds without constant specualtion about if or when Ben will return to action. I doubt that we will see Ben back inMotoGP any time soon though, on a Ducati or otherwise. (Message edited by trojan on September 13, 2013) | ||
| Crusty |
Lorenzo got his "seamless" transmission. Let's see if it really is worth a second per lap. It would tickle me to see Rossi and Lorenzo on top this weekend. |
