| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Since it seems pretty certain that the 2014 1190RX is going to be released this fall, what do you think it will look like? Yea, we know it's going to be a sport bike based on the EBR 1190RS but with less-expensive suspension components (Showa vs Ohlins), and probably Surlyn vice carbon fiber bodywork, but do you think it'll look just like the 1190RS otherwise? I'm thinking not. I'm betting EBR has some styling tricks up their sleeve. This bike needs to make an IMPRESSION when it hits the showrooms. Could it look more like the Buell B2 Baracuda prototypes? IMHO, that bike had better-looking bodywork than the 1190RS. Opinions? | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
I think it'll look exactly like the current bike, with plastic bodywork, Showa suspenders & a different seat. It's just too sexy to make a bunch of changes to, but who knows? Can't wait to see it! Holy crap I've never seen the Barracuda! I can totally see that's the missing link between the 1125 & 1190. Good find!  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Yea, the B2 is the bike we WOULD have had in 2011 (?) if HD hadn't shut Buell down:   | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
the B2 was beautiful, wish there were more pictures of it available | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
I wonder if it's sitting in a crate in a warehouse somewhere, or if HD actually scrapped it? I'm starting to think Hughlysses has a point though, The 1125 style bodywork would be much more practical for a sport tourer, with the wide frontal section and whatnot, and it would add some aesthetic choices to the range. Great idea. For that matter, I wonder if it would be feasable for EBR to buy the rights to the 1125R from HD and sell new ones alongside the 1190's. It would be like our 600....and with a Ulysses style tale would be an excellent sport tourer. Can't wait to see what they actually do. Did anybody else catch the little 1098 scoops under the headlights? | ||
| 46champ |
I see at 1:18 a certain individual by the name anonymous had something to say but it isn't there now  . I wonder if it was about the B2 or the 1190RX guess we will never know. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'm pretty sure the post was about the B2. Hopefully one of these days the entire story of the B2 will come out. | ||
| Glitch |
I wonder if it was about the B2 or the 1190RX guess we will never know. Nope, just a confused soul, not knowing how the Post as "Anonymous" (Valid reason required. Abusers will be exposed. If unsure, ask.) works. | ||
| Ljm |
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2013mod els/2013-EBR-1190RS.htm http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2013mod els/2013-EBR-1190RS-Carbon-Edition.htm They are making more RS models this year. | ||
| Twobuells |
there are some good shots of the B2 in this PDF link http://www.froggypwns.com/buellpdfs/Cycle%20World% 20-%20May2010%20-%20Demise%20of%20Buell%20and%20Ba rracuda%202.pdf | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
OMG...that just validated every terrible thing I said about the HD execs when Buell was killed off, and pissed me off all over again. 20lbs lighter? 10 more HP? Why would anyone want that? Sportbikes are gay, (just like NASCAR) let's spend a fantastic sum of money to just kill it off, that way I can spend the "savings" on more assless chaps and leather tassles for my super kewl Fat Bob. Really? Fkuc Harley and the horse they rode in on. I was just starting to get over my irrational hatred and distrust of the The Motor Company too... I'm gonna have to stop reading this stuff.... | ||
| Duggram |
Every time I look at my R I remember how much it's value dropped when HD made it's move and I get angry all over again. BTW it's in the garage so I see it every day. I still have a Sportster that I need to get back together and sell. This requires me to make trips to the HD dealer and I have to bite my tongue while I'm there. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
I'm with you man, I'll always miss my Sporty, but walking into the dealer to get an oil filter for the 1125 made me break out in hives. I got a rash and a facial tick. Which sucks, the old guy behind the counter was pretty cool, I just.....yeah. Yeah no. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The parts guys usually are the only highlight when I take a trip into a Harley dealer... | ||
| Hughlysses |
EBR may have just given the first hint of an answer to my question. From their Facebook page today:  Caption: "Meanwhile, away from the track lots of testing going on at EBR..." It has passenger pegs and a rear seat, so that's not an 1190RS. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
looks like the B2 seat! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Good catch. I've been comparing photos of the 1190RS. No remote rear shock adjuster on this one, so I'm thinking that's a Showa rear shock, and there's no "auxiliary" muffler hanging off the right side like the 1190RS, so that's difference. The dash is covered up so you can't see much of the front. Looks like they just drained the oil, and there's a bunch of instrumentation lines run to a junction block on top of airbox. Interesting. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And cream in the coffee. Not black. So clearly it's a kinder, gentler, kind of bike. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^  | ||
| Kenm123t |
OOO White plastics the yellow B2 is nice too | ||
| Hughlysses |
Interesting response from EBR on FB regarding a question about the engine: "This is an EBR engine, not Rotax. We are building them in East Troy!" | ||
| Noone1569 |
Ohhhh we finally get a teaser! | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
Pretty sure it's still a rotax "crate engine" since Erik has full rights for the 1125 design and engine...and he just builds them up to the 1190..just a guess | ||
| Anonymous |
This ain't no crate engine | ||
| Froggy |
Glitch, I'm sure he does know. | ||
| Duggram |
Now that's pretty damn funny! | ||
| D_adams |
And once again, Court flashes by so fast on his 1190 AX that the post disappeared... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Court didn't post anything. | ||
| Hughlysses |
If someone makes a post and deletes it, you'll see them listed as the "last poster" at the top level of the forum until someone else makes a post in that forum. Court's done that at least a couple of times recently. Example from the "EBR & Buell in the News" forum thread on the big EBR purchase by Hero:  If you check that thread now you'll see no posts by Court. Court must be sitting at a computer somewhere reading our speculation about EBR sweating, shaking and saying "MUST NOT POST TO BADWEB...MUST NOT POST TO BADWEB...MUST NOT POST TO BADWEB...AHHHGGGHHH!!!!"  (Message edited by Hughlysses on July 24, 2013) | ||
| Duggram |
Doesn't everyone get an email copy of every post? | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
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| Noone1569 |
Yeah, I would buy that | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
mirrors are wrong in that pic. | ||
| Jumbo_petite |
I would guess the bodywork and lighting will be the same but for material differences and the components will be less exotic for the production run.....call me crazy but it makes sense to me. | ||
| Froggy |
That pic was a speculative rendering of what the 1190RS was going to look like before it was revealed. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
froggy - oh ok, hadnt seen that before, but instantly noticed the mirrors being different than from what is photo'd above. looks like a B2 in black | ||
| Kenm123t |
I think court is locked in Eriks basement till the roll out | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
That sure looks like a Rotax stator (or whatever) cover to me. I don't care who assembles it, if it came from the HD factory, the "Thunderstorm" was an HD motor. If it came from Austria in a crate marked "Rotax", it's a Rotax. Whether it's in a Street Rod, Mille, Can-Am, 1125 or 1190. Court spanked me like a little bitch about a year ago in my first post to BADWEB about how EBR would be useing their own engines....my ass is still sore, yet....still seeing Rotaxery. When Cagiva was having some issue with Ducati and couldn't source the 998 engine, they ran the Suzuki TLR engine in their Bimota WSBK entry...they didn't call it a Bimota engine. I stand by what I said a year ago- It makes zero sense for EBR to dump the Helicon. If for no other reason than that they can't afford to start a new engine from scratch at this early stage in the company's development. I would love for EBR to rule the world with a US built engine...built by Polaris or Mercury, better yet in house...but I'll believe it when I see it. I would love to be proven wrong. | ||
| Hughlysses |
My understanding of the engine (which is admittedly a mixture of facts, speculation, and rumors) is that EBR acquired the complete design and rights to manufacture the Helicon engine after Buell closed down. I believe EBR is sourcing all the parts needed to build these engines from their own chosen suppliers, and as they themselves said on Facebook this week, "We are building them in East Troy!" So the engine is still technically a Helicon, it's just that Rotax has nothing to do with it at this point. | ||
| Jumbo_petite |
If my memory serves me correctly, the helicon engine was sourced to Rotax to assist in some engineering and to manufacture a engine of Erik Buell's specifications and design and EBR now has full rights to. So the EBR 1190cc may have started as the Helicon engine, but it is an EBR engine and is much changed from the engine that was run in the Buell 1125R/CRs | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
From BuellXB.com posted by "cgreenwalt" who apparently works for EBR based on other posts he has made. "Its an EBR based engine that is simply cast by rotax. The engine assembly happens at EBR and we can expect the casting to be done in the U.S. in the near future as well. EBR owns 100% of this design, not just the rights to call it what we want. " and another post in same thread "As of now, Hero isn't making anything for EBR motorcycles." "Also, yes AK Addict we will be revealing at least on bike at the AIM expo but we may not be at full scale production by that time. Late stage prototypes are underway right now." "I'll post any information that I can when Erik and the guys upstairs give me the go ahead." "As a design engineer AT EBR, I'm going to let all of you know that not a single one of those pictures above is a representation of the concept of the RX, SX, or AX. EBR is extremely careful with keeping confidential information from the public until the desired release date. Keep your eyes out around the fourth quarter of this year for the real deal. The typhoon was not created by anyone at EBR whatsoever." "Design Engineer Intern for Erik Buell Racing" | ||
| M2typhoon |
Well, no matter what it looks like, what headlights it has or where the motor came from, I hope Erik makes a special model that gives credit to Geoff May and his fortitude. I think that guy should receive some sort of award for what he's done for EBR and the 1190RS. Geoff remains the great American underdog but when he does win (it will happen) the dude will probably ball his eyes out with Erik because they are both deeply tied into this machine. | ||
| Steeleagle |
+1 on what M2typhoon said. Geoff has quietly stuck by EBR and has helped develop the 1190RS for racing and eventually into a "mainstream" production bike. Danny got a lot of the publicity after Geoff put in the prep work but then went to greener pastures that he may deserve. But I'm a Geoff May fan because of his dedication. One would think he, too has had other opportunities, but has elected to stay with EBR. A Geoff May edition would be appropriate. | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
+1 M2typhoon, Steeleagle Geoff's passion, dedication, and determination is uncomparable | ||
| Reepicheep |
Don't forget self discipline. I don't know if anyone has brought as many bikes home in one piece for such solid finishes, especially for a new platform. | ||
| Hughlysses |
(+1, or 4 or whatever) Don't forget riding two races to respectable finishes ~4 days after having his freaking appendix taken out. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Anyone we know place an order yet?  | ||
| Hughlysses |
List of dealers is up at www.ebr.com: http://www.erikbuellracing.com/find-your-dealer/ | ||
| Argentcorvid |
4 hour drive to my nearest, 5 hours to Hal's.  That would be a good break-in ride... | ||
| Duggram |
I sent that link to the dealer page to the HD dealer in Santa Fe. The sales manager replied almost immediately "We are a Harley dealer, and Harley no longer makes Buell motorcycles. Erik Buell Racing is a new company with fantastic bikes. But Harley no more." I understand his position. I live in hog heaven, New Mexico. This means my closest dealer is in Plano, TX 10 hours away. I feel like I'm going to have to move to Texas and become Jim Dugger's neighbor. | ||
| Ljm |
Dang, none in Phoenix. The initial list included one in Scottsdale. Talked to the KTM shop and wasn't them. Figured maybe the BMW shop, but guess not. | ||
| M2typhoon |
I also believe that Erik should have signature parts available for the new bikes. Similar to the defunked Pro-Series equipment. Not so much the run of the mill undertail kits or fairing stuff but some trick equipment like a carbon ram air system (similar to a Bimota) and similar parts. I don't think that his parts should expand much beyond performance packages and some trick carbon bits to keep it classy. Let the after market sector fetch the other bits. | ||
| Tq_freak |
dang no dealers in FL yet but on in NJ 15 min from my parents house! | ||
| Nallac |
I wonder who's gonna pick up the New Zealand one???? Hopefully Road an Sport... | ||
| Tll130 |
Oh my Jesus just seen that bike new to buells in general but seen the 1190 and literally called the dealer closet to my house I want it more then a man has wanted anything more in his life and I've got friends who ride "hayabusas" and gsxrs and try to make fun of my v twin and this will indeed put a sock in there mouth. It is like a fine wine I'm seriously in love | ||
| Ljm |
Travis, the RS is everything it is cracked up to be. Outside of the artificial world of fixed tracks, long straights that favor in-line fours, this is a monster on the street. | ||
| Tll130 |
Is it just a track bike or is it street legal aswell? I couldn't find any info on it. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The 1190RS is street legal- it has to be in order for the model to be qualified for AMA Superbike racing. It's also ~$40k a copy. Hopefully the 1190RX is going to have ~95% of the 1190RS's performance for <50% of the price. | ||
| Tll130 |
Ah so there are 2 so maybe I will wait on the RS and see the rx specs | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
Well, yesterday was rough, Geoff was experimenting with a traction control, and the settings were off, so he finished 9th Thoughts? | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Traction control is obviously not "plug-and-play". It's going to take some time and experimentation to make it work correctly. | ||
| Ratbuell |
It also has adjustable levels - I would imagine: Slip. Yaw. Adjustable HP reduction % when you reach the adjustable slip and / or yaw threshold. Just like tuning the ECM for the right power at the right time...this is like the anti-ECM. Tune it for the right amount of anti-power, but only at the right moment. At the correct aggressiveness - don't want it to whack the door shut and upset the chassis, don't want to be too gradual and have it not help when needed. I have faith. And I'm psyched the system is on the track! | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
On the engine thing...so basically they're going to cast their own copies of the Helicon? Interesting......sort of like Hyosung buying the rights to the SV650 engine from Suzuki and making their own indistinguishable lump...same difference. I'll buy that, thanks for the explanation! | ||
| Duff24 |
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| Reepicheep |
SirWadsalot, it would be more like Hyosung working hand in hand with Suzuki to design and build a 650 motor to Hyosung specs, then Hyosung taking over production of that motor using many of the same parts from the same suppliers Suzuki used when they built them. | ||
| Rex |
those blinkers look like ktm blinkers | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
@Reepicheep- Yep, EB designed it.... If I'm not mistaken, Suzuki actually built an engine plant in Korea and Hyosung ended up taking it over at some point, but that whole thing is a closely guarded secret, there are many versions of that story and Zook ain't talkin'! I just meant even though it's still the same engine Suzuki was building, it really is a Hyosung mill, and still gets the SV reputation for being bulletproof.....i.e. same engine Rotax was building, you can call that an EBR engine. As long as they're casting and building it in-house, that's intellectually fair game to me. US made mill, and still the proven Rotax type design, can't go wrong! I just didn't find "It's not a rotax engine, it's an EBR engine." to be an acceptable answer. I can't wait to see this thing.... | ||
| Reepicheep |
I guess if you actually stitch together the whole storied history, it would be... An EBR refinement of a Harley Davidson funded Buell and Rotax joint redesign of a Rotax motor. (And actually, I bet that Rotax motor goes back further than that... it would be cool to build a family tree) | ||
| Hughlysses |
An EBR refinement of a Harley Davidson funded Buell and Rotax joint redesign of a Rotax motor. IIRC, the Steve Anderson article on Buell's closure said that Buell funded the design and development of the Helicon on their own with profits from the XB's. Also, I thought the engine was basically a "clean sheet" design. I'm sure it shares some features/components with other Rotax engines, but it's pretty unique in most regards. | ||
| Duggram |
Isn't the CanAm Spyder engine similar? It's a Rotax v-twin. I thought I heard a comment about this back in '08, how they both share a lot of design features. Of course I could be wrong on this. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Steve would know, that article was pretty much the authoritative factual history. | ||
| Argentcorvid |
from the Wikipedia page on the 1125R:
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| Hybridmomentspass |
there are probably a lot of parts that could interchange, but i understood it as, like the link, new degree of spread and triple balancers vs most having 2. but i dont know anything. | ||
| Slaughter |
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| Sir_wadsalot |
Here's your family tree.....if you find incest offensive, look away now. The Original Aprilia Mille engine, and the current KTM LC-8 V-Twin (950/990 Adventure/RC8R/990/1300 Super Duke) were both designed by Claus Holweg. The Mille, for Rotax, and then the LC8, for KTM, a few years later. The Can Am Spyder engine is basically a detuned Mille mill. The Helicon was a "clean sheet" design, but of course the Mille was the starting point on zero day, from Rotax's manufacturing prospective. So, even though there is very little parts interchangability (if any), the Mille, Spyder, 1125 & RC8 are all kissin' cousins. Kinda' like Gen 1, 2, and 3 Chevy small blocks. Erik couldn't have asked for a better grandfather for his bouncing baby V-Twin. Googoo-gaga, mutherfkucers!  | ||
| Johndb |
Court posted a reply in this post at 4:07PM today, and his post is already gone? | ||
| Johndb |
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| Froggy |
Sir wadsalot, your post is not even close to being accurate, as nice of a theory it is.  | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
It's a beautiful theory, where is it inaccurate? Before you answer, remember that Garandpa Claus is watching you  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Apparently, it would be "wrong" for them to point out where your post is inaccurate. Back to the thread topic, I jusst found that the dealer list linked above has been taken down at EBR. That link now gets you a page that says "Sorry about that, we can't find the page you're looking for". Hopefully that means a major EBR.com update is in the works... | ||
| Hughlysses |
OK, got bored yesterday afternoon and decided to try and identify all the differences I could between the 1190RS and the teaser photo of what appears to be the new 1190RX:  1- passenger seat 2- different mirrors with thinner stems (no integrated turn signals?) 3- different radiator fan orientation (more up/back vs. down/out) 4- different rear shock, no remote adjuster (Showa? has a dark blue spring) 5- passenger footpegs You can compare this photo to detail shots of the 1190RS and pick out the above points. I guess the most interesting thing I'd never noticed before is the radiator fan orientation. If you compare a left side photo of the 1190RS you can see it's very different. | ||
| Mcelhaney14 |
Hugh, it looks similar in placement to the B2 pictured above. | ||
| Hughlysses |
William, I think you're right. It makes sense that the radiator/cooling fan arrangement will be more like the B2 than the 1190RS. Supposedly, the radiators on the RS are VERY expensive due to their configuration. The RX radiators will have to be something easier and less expensive to fabricate, so maybe they'd already figured it out on the B2. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
@Hugh- I would rather be corrected than slather bad info all over the interwebs. As "the Buell Guy" on sportbikez.net, I consider myself an ambassador of the breed. If I'm gonna educate the UJM guys about real men's bikes, I need good info. Feel free to correct me in the most sarcastic way possible, on any matter. I like to debate and argue a bit, but I'm not a Troll. (Compared to you I'm a buelltard.) It's never wrong to educate someone. It is wrong to threadjack though! Sorry, I tend to ramble.... Back to it- It panned out in another EBR thread that the radiators are custom built by a Spanish(?) GP parts supplier. I want to say this came from the guy running the Typhon project. He said they sourced the radiators from this Spanish(?) GP team supplier, the same as EBR did for the RS, and they're trying to develop a cheaper solution before they market the Typhon kit. Makes sense that EBR would as well, for their mass market bikes. That fan orientation was the first thing I noticed in that pic. I've been of the opinion the RX would just be a stripper RS with plastic bodywork. If this fan orientation is any indication, that's gonna at least necessitate different fairings. If that's going to be the naked one, it will be a totally different "outline" from the Typhon, as well. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if it looked more like the B2. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Jason- Glad you've got a thick skin. I just don't think some people who also try to promote the brand (and I ain't talking about Froggy) realize how they come across sometimes. Interesting about the radiator. I had heard a couple of years ago from a Buell enthusiast/friend with a background in similar products that the RS radiators were difficult to build due to the fact that the headers/tanks aren't straight and the tubes do not enter them in a perpendicular direction. I think the RS radiators just reflect what you do on a "no holds barred/price is not a consideration" motorcycle, while whatever they put on the RX will be the best that can be mass-manufactured. It looks like the RX going to have very different front lighting from the B2, but I think you're right that it may be very similar to the B2 in other areas. I also don't think it's just going to be an RS with plastic fairings and less-expensive suspension components. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hmm, the closure announcement for Buell came on October 15, 2009. The first day of the AIMExpo, where EBR says they're going to host their dealers later this year, is October 16, 4 years to the day after the closure. Seems like pretty good odds that's when they'll announce the new model(s). | ||
| Ourdee |
What will be the level of shock if the bike has three pistons, or a rotor? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Pretty high, since EBR has specifically said the bike will use the EBR-built 1190 V-twin engine. In a year or three, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like that. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
level of shock would honestly make my mind explode - im willing to say that because there is NO WAY that'll be the case for the rx thats debuting soon | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
I try to come across as "Look, we're competative now, give us a chance, you'll be pleasantly surprised", as opposed to "Screw you homos and yer japbikes" A Wankel EBR a few years down the road wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, given the E.B. obsession with weight and handling characteristics. Rotary engines are tiny in size compared to their power production. The Norton NRV classic racebikes have to take big wight penalties to make up for it...wrap fuel in frame around that....  Let me rephrase that, I think it's highly, extremely unlikely, but it's a fit in that "decidedly different" sort of way. Given 10 or 20 years down the road and a huge R&D budget? Why not? It would make a powerful and very lightweight alternative to the standard 600 supersports on the market....or even just a kewl concept bike. In real world "we have to make bikes, race, and stay in business" terms? No way. | ||
| Rodrob |
What makes you guys think the above pic is representative of the 1190RX other than the frame motor and swingarm? It's a test mule that could be anything they had around. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Because we're three months from launch and that one has a manufacturer plate on it? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Because we're two months from launch and that one has a manufacturer plate on it? AIMexpo, where EBR is supposed to show their new models, starts October 16: http://www.aimexpousa.com/Resource.ashx?sn=AIMExpo EBRAnnouncement | ||
| Mike13 |
Hmm, I do believe Rodrob was privy to some things when he picked up his 1190rs. Along with his frequent dealings with EBR, might he know something we don't? | ||
| Ratbuell |
I said in one of these photo threads that the headlight does not look like a faired-bike (i.e. RX) headlight, but more like a naked or an adventure bike front end. Might that be what Rodrob is/is not (winkwink) hinting at - that while this is indeed a new EBR, it might not be the RX? It would surprise me if they deviated too much from the RS's design, for the RX. "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" works best if you can see the family resemblance... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Just from a pragmatic standpoint, if this was my problem to solve, I'd start with the RS (like they did), then come up with the "80% as good for 50% as much" version (the RS), then create a naked version of that one (hopefully like the XB S bikes, which really were naked standards, as opposed to the CR bikes which were really unfaired sportbikes), then do the adventure bike. I'd think the first three could be cranked out pretty quickly. The adventure bike could come out quickly as well if it was just a tarted up naked bike with a beak. Or you could try and make it a technology tour-de-force and really put some time into making it special, as the "problem envelope" for an adventure bike can be completely different than that of a sport bike. Who knows which path EBR will take. Being a small company with limited resources, the obvious and easy path would be to throw a beak, hard luggage, and semi-knobby tires on the naked bike and call it an adventure bike. Not that imaginative, but it would be a really great bike. An adventure bike is really the natural evolution of the naked standard... | ||
| 46champ |
An adventure bike is really the natural evolution of the naked standard... Except a lot of us think adventure bikes are butt ugly | ||
| M2typhoon |
Hmm.. seems a lot like the headlights on all the Hero bikes minus the LED's. Very interesting... | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Good catch. The headlight shapes are definitely similar:  | ||
| Froggy |
One thing I noticed is that there are 100 posts in this thread, and it hasn't done the normal archive after 30 thing. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Ahhh! EBR will NOT be archived! | ||
| Ratbuell |
Who knows which path EBR will take. Being a small company with limited resources, the obvious and easy path would be to throw a beak, hard luggage, and semi-knobby tires on the naked bike and call it an adventure bike. Not that imaginative, but it would be a really great bike. Um...have you ever met Erik? Keep in mind - this is a company who is now campaigning their own traction control system on the race bikes. I'm sure there are plenty of other fun tricks in the wings, just waiting for their cue to come onstage and show themselves... | ||
| M2typhoon |
I have also noticed a possible blacked out set of fork tubes and legs which would be sick! | ||
| Mikeyp |
FYI: A little Birdy told me that Cross Country Cycles in Metuchen NJ will be a Dealer for EBR. Looking foward to taking a ride on one come October. | ||
| Slaughter |
I'm secretly hoping for a 250cc class in-town, one-lung bike. Looking at the forks in the above pic, it looks like conventional forks - not upside down. Maybe, just maybe... (since we're speculating and all) | ||
| Ronbob43 |
+1 to Slaughter's hope. | ||
| Duggram |
Yes, +1 on Steve. Right now the 250 classes are growing fast. It's a cheap way to get into racing/track riding. Unfortunately I hear some guys are not following the rules and putting money into pumping up the HP. Whatever, it would be good to compete with the regular guys, like in WERA, that want competition. I got a little personal problem right now but soon as this is settled I'll be looking for Ninjette for next year. Good class for old guys, except I need to lose about 30 pounds to be competitive. | ||
| Sparky |
Well, here's an idea: Let's invite RodRob out to his favorite watering hole (in the valley) and ply him with exotic beverages until he fess's up what he saw. Myself, I'd buy the first round! After all, I'm kinda disappointed that there was no word about new bikes at EBR's pit at Laguna last month.  | ||
| Hughlysses |
9 days to the reveal and counting... | ||
| Fast1075 |
I just picked up an '06 "ninjette" for a song. It is seriously fun. | ||
| Torquehd |
8... | ||
| Froggy |
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| Hughlysses |
About 30 minutes ago, our favorite Buell insider ninja-posted a number 2 less than 8. Hmmm.......  | ||
| Tq_freak |
WHY I know ever time I am going to get Rick-Rolled but I cant help it and still have to click on the link WHY! | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Being a small company with limited resources, the obvious and easy path would be to throw a beak, hard luggage, and semi-knobby tires on the naked bike and call it an adventure bike. Not that imaginative, but it would be a really great bike. Um...have you ever met Erik? No, but I've seen the Ulysses....it's an XB with a big tail and tall shocks, which is most likely what the new one will be. Which wouldn't ba a bad thing! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hmm, a couple of "numbered" posts that were up at various times today for various lengths of time have disappeared. It appears the big 1190RX reveal may happen a day or two BEFORE next Wednesday, depending on the accuracy of these posts. I'm predicting it'll show up as an exclusive review in the next issue of Cycle World, and maybe it'll be on cycleworld.com before the print release. This information comes from a rectal data bank. | ||
| Jumbo_petite |
This information comes from a rectal data bank. Pullin it out of your a$$..... now that's funny | ||
| Trojan |
I found a sneak picture of the new EBR 1190RX on this site. Don't know how they managed to evade security to get such detailed shots though.......Obviously an inside job http://www.theblackdouglas.co.uk//index.asp | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Good one, Matt. I understand there's also a fine ale by that name.  So, 4, 5, or 6 days to go depending on which post you believe... | ||
| Noone1569 |
Hope Court's repeated references of "6" is how many different models EBR is unveiling, or the pricing point of their new 450 supermoto! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hmm, since he's posted "6" for the last 3 days in a row, it would seem it's NOT in reference to the reveal date. Curiouser and curiouser... | ||
| Torquehd |
 ninjy'ed again. | ||
| Coolice |
 6 more days...6 | ||
| M2typhoon |
hopefully we'll be like and then be like  , Hope this lives up to the hype but in the same respect, the reveal hasn't been highly advertised, not even as much as the Motus bikes. Wonder if Erik is trying to sneak up on soomeone...hmmm. | ||
| Hughlysses |
6 more days...6 Reveal is supposed to be on the 16th, by my counting that's only 5 days until the official reveal. | ||
| Tankhead |
Motus and EBR. Hmmmmmmm I wonder......Nahhhh... (Message edited by tankhead on October 11, 2013) | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
Dammit! I missed a ninja post....crap! | ||
| 2kx1 |
OK Let's speculate on 6 different models. 1 The prescription, more power than the RS,traction control , maybe abs, sub 19k. 2 The sx ,butt-nekkid ,shorter gearing than RX and must be able to dethrone the Superduke. 3 The AX, should be aimed squarely at the Multistrada, and Ktm 1190 adv. 4 The future triple 600-800cc middleweight. MV went from 4k bikes a year to 10k. 5 400- 500 cc supermoto 6 100cc dirtbike to get kids riding and making them addicts also discuss. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Sounds like a logical set to me, but what about an EBR version of the upcoming Hero 250 for #6? Something placed in line with the Ninja 300 and Honda CBR250R; a nice beginner bike. | ||
| Noone1569 |
Wouldn't that be something, Hughlysses. EBR releases a 250cc modern sportbike with FI and decent power to weight ratio, hopefully undercutting Honda and Kawi, somewhere along the lines of $3500 - $4000 new. That'd shake up the industry a bit. And that market is finally growing here in the US, just look at the Ninja 300 sales. | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
I agree w/ both of you guys. Hope this happens. | ||
| Steeleagle |
It can happen, much to the chagrin of RS owners who "invested" significantly more in the development of same! | ||
| 2kx1 |
A few years ago Cycle World (iirc)had 4 450mx/sm bikes that were converted to road racers. I am sure that EBR could come up with something similar. Putting as many bikes together with multi purpose parts is something that they are very capable of. Also I would expect another limited edition low production superbike in another year or two. I expect them to go after these markets head on and not just make what other companies are making but to surpass them on many levels. oh they also need to get a countdown timer on their website. | ||
| Ljm |
No chagrin here. Wouldn't have invested if there wasn't something coming after. I would hope it would be improved given the talent working on it. Besides, the RS is a snapshot in time that will never happen again. I think too that more (for most of us) is sort of like feeding a pig strawberries. | ||
| 2kx1 |
Dealer that has seen pics says it looks nothing like the RS. | ||
| Duggram |
That might be a mistake. Even jap/euro bike riders consider the RS good looking. Whatever it looks like it's done. I hope this isn't going to be a big disappointment. | ||
| 2kx1 |
And another ninja post was missed!!! | ||
| Torquehd |
COURT SERIOUSLY!? glad I saved that image... hmm... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Posted to EBR's Facebook page this afternoon, finally, teaser photo #3!  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Posted to EBR's Facebook page this afternoon, finally, teaser photo #3! I'd post it, but I can't do it from my Blackberry! Edit- Ha! Got it!  (Message edited by Hughlysses on October 12, 2013) | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
YELLER! Hmm, no mirror mounted turn signals? (Message edited by smoke4ndmears on October 12, 2013) | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
Please tell me there will be more than 1 bike unveiled..PLEASE!!! | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
As an aside, what is the significance of the Barracuda moniker, and what was the 1st Barracuda? | ||
| 2kx1 |
I like yellow, while not my first choice, and usually not the first choice of most people i know. That being said , it is going to look really good if they are confident enough to go with it. | ||
| Torquehd |
I think the barracuda would have really bridged the gap between where Buell was at the time, and where other sportbike manufacturers were. more power, less weight, chain-drive, better cooling system, full-fairing. the thing would have been a serious contender. | ||
| 2kx1 |
I think the B2 would have really upset a few 1198 owners ,however it never happened. The Rx is must now go head to head with the Pignail. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Smoke4ndmears raises a good question; if the yellow bike at the beginning of this thread was the "B2", what was the "B1"? I guess we'll have to wait on Court and Dave's next book. | ||
| Froggy |
5836 of the B1 were built. I have one | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
I want a cool Barracuda sticker for mine then. | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
I think they just snuck another teaser on FB. Group lunch pic there is a red RS-esque bike in the background but it has passenger pegs. Different exhaust can too. (Message edited by smoke4ndmears on October 13, 2013) | ||
| Hughlysses |
You have a good eye. Closeup of the photo in question:  Note that the front of the bike is cleverly obscured. Anybody recognize the tread pattern on the tire? It doesn't seem like it's the same as the Pirellis on the RS. There's clearly a passenger peg on the left side, but I'm not sure how a passenger peg would work with the "auxiliary" muffler on the right. Hmmm.... (Message edited by Hughlysses on October 13, 2013) | ||
| Ratbuell |
It's a footwarmer on the right - looks like the peg would be just above the muffler. Is it paint, or does the tail look like brushed aluminum a-la X1? | ||
| Torquehd |
i don't think that's the tail, it looks like another bike or something further behind it. The tail is blurry but looks like the barracuda style tail, like the "sneak peak" pic of the bike sitting on the lift, from behind. | ||
| Torquehd |
5836 of the B1 were built. I have one why have we never heard it called the B1 before? are you making that up? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Court indicates there's more of interest in the photo than the bike. Here's the whole photo; I'm guessing it might be one or more of the people in attendance?  | ||
| D_adams |
It's the scooter in the background, tail section is at the corner of the table.  | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
Ahhhh Good eyes boys. I would hit every college campus advertising these things(scooters). This could be a real good money maker for EBR, hell, I might even buy one myself. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I feel like I'm loosing in a "where's waldo" game with my kids again... geesh. You guys are good. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Yea, but Hero's forte is scooters, and the race team was using them as pit bikes all this season and last, so the scooter in the photo is not necessarily an EBR product. My guess is the point is one or more of the people in the photo. BTW- isn't that Erik's wife left/front? | ||
| Steeleagle |
...and her son to her right. | ||
| 2kx1 |
Is that Abe holding the bicycle? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Man, it sure looks like it:  | ||
| Steeleagle |
If that's Abe, Wednesday sounds electric to me! | ||
| Clarkjw |
It's gonna look like the typhoon from buellparts, just a diff headlight | ||
| Hughlysses |
Our favorite ninja poster says that is not Abe. | ||
| Firstbuell |
agreed - that's not Abe I first met Abe while he was employed in E Troy, and years later again out here in CA Abe speaks annually at our monthly ASBN mtg about ZERO bikes & industry stuff that bicyclist is a different person | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
There is a picture of the rx on Facebook on TwistedThrottle.com page. Can't upload it via phone right now. | ||
| Noone1569 |
I'm wondering more about what's under the EBR cover there. And, if that is all their booth space, the last 3 bikes in line look completely different. | ||
| Froggy |
Looking closer, it appears the closest red bike is an RS, black one behind it is also an RS, then the yellow is the RX, red one behind that is RX, then there is a Hero themed bike behind that, it appears to have a rear seat cushion, so another RX? Behind those I can't make out enough details, the green bike is the SX or possibly a Hero? | ||
| Noone1569 |
That's what I'm kind of thinking froggy. Might confirm Court's phatom 6 posts. 1. 2013 EBR 1190RS 2. 2014 EBR 1190RX 3. Greenbike with upright bars 4. Redbike has some sort of seat rails? 5. Black, very slim bike in back 6. Whatever is under that cover, is that a shaft drive? | ||
| Argentcorvid |
Is the Green one the AX? it's got grab handles!!! Looks way shorter than the Red/White one in front of it though. In fact, the three on the far end have a very non-XB/1125 looking airbox vs. that of the 1190. | ||
| Froggy |
From what we see of the green bike it reminds me of a KTM Super Duke Edit: It may be the lighting, but the green bike appears to have a white spring while the other bikes have yellow (Message edited by Froggy on October 14, 2013) | ||
| Torquehd |
you ruined Christmas. i hope yours has a lump of coal in the tailpipe. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Just past the RX, there's an all-red EBR bike (RS or RX?) and a red/white EBR bike (RS or RX?). After that, there appears to be 4 more bikes (9 bikes altogether). I think the last 4 bikes in the line (green, maroon, white, and black) are Hero models. Check this thread for photos of their new stuff: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/253 912/722336.html?1381609749 | ||
| Reepicheep |
Forget the ones in the front, the one covered with the black EBR tarp in the upper right is a freaking hover-bike! Build a simple bike, then add lightness indeed. Some elve got a little carried away and violated some laws of physics... | ||
| Mcelhaney14 |
New technology, the one under the cover is levitating! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Based on the thin mirror stems (versus the thick stems on the signal-in-mirrors on the RS), the red bike just past the yellow RX must be another RX. What's under the cover is bound to be REALLY interesting. | ||
| Tq_freak |
Adjustable axle. so its chain driven Dieing to see the wheels. | ||
| Froggy |
The tube frame Buells had an adjustable axle with belt drive. Like you can see in the white bike pic near the top of the thread it clearly has a chain equipped, but it has a swingarm with a removable brace like the belt driven XB/1125. It would be cool to have either option available. | ||
| Tq_freak |
Good point Froggy I forgot about the tubers would be a nice option for buyers. come with a belt for low maint but make it easy to switch to chain for the track | ||
| Jumbo_petite |
The two things I am most interested in seeing the front view and the wheels are still kept hidden ....just my luck. | ||
| Tankhead |
I posted this earlier but now its not there. If you look at the guy in red shorts sitting down using his phone there is a picture of a bike that looks like an adventure bike. It could be a poster for a neighboring set up at the expo but could be what is hiding under the cover | ||
| Hughlysses |
The green bike looks like the Hero Splendor:  | ||
| Noone1569 |
And . .twisted throttle pulled the pics off! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Some time back, Court did intimate we'd likely see the bike before Wednesday, and he was right. | ||
| Argentcorvid |
Hughlysses - it says "HF Deluxe ECO" right on the sidecover Where's the front brake on that thing, BTW? Drum? Edit: Yep, can see it on the 360 view here double edit: it kinda looks like a one-piece cast wheel with drum brake. (Message edited by argentcorvid on October 14, 2013) | ||
| Hughlysses |
Yep, that's a pretty low-tech bike for Hero's home market. | ||
| Anonymous |
Sorry everyone, I was asked to do a favor and an executive decision was made by one moderator. Other moderators may reverse it, we will see. A lot of people worked very hard to do something very special, and we as their community can give something back and wait for them to announce it the way they worked to bring it to us. Can people wait until the announcement? We can bring the posts back then, so people that worked for the scoop get credit. In the meantime, the people that saw it can enjoy knowing something you don't know.... : ) | ||
| Anonymous |
In other words, lets not ruin Christmas morning when we are *so* close. | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
Wow! What a nice looking bike, eat your heart out HD. I am sure it will be the talk of the town, great job guys. | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
Cat's out of the bag, and boy is that a sexy cat. Wonder if that nice front end, wheel with, will bolt onto an 1125. | ||
| D_adams |
Different axle, spacer and bearings. Probably not. | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
I'm saying entire front end. BPF forks, triple trees, wheels etc. | ||
| D_adams |
Mmm, tough call there. Depends on the spacing at the steering stem on the frame. It might work with a little "engineering". | ||
| Firstbuell |
10/16 is too early for either Christmas or Hanukkah this year, so mebbe the leaks were Halloween-downers regardless, since I'm 100% for protecting intellectual property rights, I'm thus OK with those cool-but-unfortunate spy fotos being pulled that said, I'm MUCH more interested anyway in the breadth & variety of product that's gonna be revealed, oh so soon.... | ||
| Torquehd |
does anybody have a link to the original PDF of Cycle World's article on the Barracuda? EDIT: disregard, found it on froggypwns. http://www.froggypwns.com/buellpdfs/Cycle%20World%20-%20May2010%20-%20Demise%20of%20Buell%20and%20Barracuda%202.pdf and after re-reading that article, i would happily trade in my 1125 for a barracuda. I'm sure the 1190rx is even better. man i picked a crappy time to buy a house and get married. (Message edited by torquehd on October 15, 2013) | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Does anybody know if the RS or the RX require the Godawful rotating/brakeing to do the valves? | ||
| D_adams |
Just a guess, but I'd say yes. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Clash of the moderators!  BTW- is this the longest single-page thread on Badweb ever? What determines when a thread kicks over to a second page? | ||
| M2typhoon |
Wow, I would bet some cash that's a shaft drive but I wouldn't bet everything I had on it. Pics are pics and not the naked eye. Hmmm.. What would have shaft drive I wonder?..  | ||
| Lynrd |
How much cash you want to bet? I have $500 that says the only shaft involved was the one Waddell gave Erik 4 years ago. | ||
| Noone1569 |
Hmm, maybe not a shaft drive, maybe a KERS style generator That would be sweet. | ||
| M2typhoon |
The pics are getting taken down as fast as they are being posted. Not just to Badweb but to other sites as well. Keep it in your pants boys..  | ||
| Hughlysses |
The pics are getting taken down as fast as they are being posted. Not just to Badweb but to other sites as well. They've been taken down from some sites, but they're still up at plenty of others. It's damned hard to put that cat back in the bag once it's out. | ||
| Tankhead |
Ninja Post again. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Paraphrasing: "real bike MUCH better than pic". | ||
| Ljm |
I am good waiting for Christmas. Showed the Mrs. the pic while it was up and the only question now is where will the dealers be at close to us. Can't wait until tomorrow. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
glad i saved the pics from buellxb | ||
| M1combat |
"Hmm, maybe not a shaft drive, maybe a KERS style generator" I don't think Buell would put that on the rear wheel and/or that end of the swing-arm. It would be in the trans or at the output shaft more likely. No sense in sacrificing handling if it's "just a packaging issue". (Message edited by M1Combat on October 15, 2013) | ||
| M1combat |
For the record I think it's just the way the light is reflecting off the chain, sprocket and swingarm. | ||
| M2typhoon |
What? The AIM show doesn't start at 5:30am? Ughhh... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Na, unfortunately, AIMexpo doesn't start until 9 AM. Worse than that, the big reveal doesn't happen until noon!  | ||
| M2typhoon |
You're killin me smalls!!! | ||
| Noone1569 |
Gah, the wait til noon is going to be torture. Even worse, waiting til tomorrow to see this in person! | ||
| Hughlysses |
Just checked EBR's website; no changes there. I just hope there's a major update to coincide with the release at noon. | ||
| Hughlysses |
First leak from the just-opened AIMExpo show, courtesy of the BuellXB forum; apparently a sign for the 1190RX:   BTW- they say they're going to do a live video feed from the show; see thread here: http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/EBR-Motorcyc les/EBR-1190RX-Unveiling | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
da da da da DANG! 185 ponies! | ||
| D_adams |
Crank rated, so 39 more than the 1125 has, also 102 ft/lbs, so 20 more there. Should be good. The yellow version is a couple of fingers (one on each hand) in HD's direction if I had to guess. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Crank rated, so 39 more than the 1125 has, also 102 ft/lbs, so 20 more there. Even more impressive, 10 more HP than the 1190RS, and 5 more ft/lbs torque. Wow. | ||
| 2kx1 |
More power than superduke is going to be good for the SX line. | ||
| Torquehd |
and it weighs 412 WET! Drop the passenger pegs, swap to race exhaust/air filter/ECM, and this thing is going to be The Big Thing for 2013. As long as the price is relatively decent, I think this bike will pave the way for EBR. EDIT: Man, even after I do my big bore, I'm still going to feel so inferior. Damn this alpha male syndrome. (Message edited by torquehd on October 16, 2013) | ||
| Trojan |
da da da da DANG! 185 ponies! measured at the crank or back wheel? ISO or DIN measurement? 412 WET! What is 'wet'? oil, water & fuel filled up or just oil/water? If only there was a common way of manufacturers displaying performance andd weight figures  We will have to wait for a comparison test between this and Ducati panigale ect where they are all tested on the same dyno and scales before we knwo for sure who gets to boast about power figures. Nice starting point though, but PLEASE drop that yellow paing finish! | ||
| Froggy |
Wet, based on what EBR has done in the past is a ready to ride bike with an empty gas tank. All fluids, battery, tires, etc. Just add petrol and go. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
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| Wolfridgerider |
That pic is from a video.... got a link to the vid? | ||
| Hughlysses |
That pic is from a video.... got a link to the vid? It's linked at the BuellXB forum thread I posted above, but here's the direct link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/buellxb | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
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| Fuzzz |
10 minutes till the covers come off..... | ||
| Noone1569 |
18,995$, hmm | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/EBR-Motorcyc les/EBR-1190RX-Unveiling pics and posts from the unveiling the of the RX. pics to large to post here and have to go to class. Video to be on facebook shortly. | ||
| Tq_freak |
CHECK EBR.COM!!! | ||
| Xdigitalx |
that stream better not Rickroll us.... | ||
| Closetbueller |
ebr.com updated! | ||
| Hughlysses |
www.ebr.com just updated! | ||
| Froggy |
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| Unique_id |
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/motorcycles/ebr1190 rx/ | ||
| Ratbuell |
Traction control baby!! At least that's what I assume the "TC-5" on the instrument cluster is. Traction control level 5. Nice!!!! | ||
| Jumbo_petite |
Me likey... looking at the pic of the cluster EBR site I spotted a TC 5 display... hoping it has Traction Control. i did not see a reference to it in the spec sheet. | ||
| Finedaddy1 |
Merry Christmas!! | ||
| Badgerbueller1125 |
21 mode traction control. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Damn, just damn. | ||
| Jonny5 |
LOVE the American flag on the pillion! -J5 | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Is the secondary body color for optional two-tone paint jobs? (Charcoal) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Oh..then...what model is the older pic with the White bodywork from?? | ||
| Redponcho |
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| Hughlysses |
LOTS of pics and spec info live from the show here: http://ebrforum.com/showthread.php?69-Article-Live -Images-and-Info-from-1190RX-Debut-at-AIM-Expo Get this- 51 MPG highway and 234 mile range!  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
my A$$ couldn't take it for 234 miles... | ||
| Jayvee |
LOVE the color! Looks sort of like a 'Typhoon'  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Mine neither, but hypermiler Froggy will just LOVE it. Seriously, what that means to me is they won't have to seriously retune the engine or find room for ~3 more gallons of fuel on the AX. That's pretty damn cool. | ||
| 2kx1 |
WSBK for 2014!!!!! Oval-pipe for the exhaust. Vortex clipons. Looks like 3 screws and the Second muffler is off. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Press releases are rolling out: http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-mo-aut os-erik-buell-ebr1190rx-racing-bike-20131016,0,674 9762.story http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/blog/2013/10/ erik-buell-racing-unveils-street-bike.html Full-scale production starts in December. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Secondary body color is likely the frame/swingarm/wheels. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wow, it's amazing! How the hell am I going to afford the AX with 4 kids in college.  | ||
| M2typhoon |
Sell your body  | ||
| Hughlysses |
"Kids, Daddy needs a new bike. Start applying for scholarships now." | ||
| Sparky |
I think I might hafta trade in my debugged '09 1125R for this and, while I'm at it, trade in my '05 Vette for the '14 Stingray. We only go around once in this lifetime, right? | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
Phenomenal bike. | ||
| Ljm |
Folks on the ground: any word on dealer network? Want to go see one. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
http://www.ebrdealer.info/list.html | ||
| Thumper1203 |
"The yellow version is a couple of fingers (one on each hand) in HD's direction if I had to guess" Good one Dean! I concur.. My hat's off to Erik and the Elves! an American sportbike built by an American entrepreneur/privateer.. The AX in every color is drop dead GORGEOUS! I'm in lust Good things are to come with the SX and AX.. Good times, fella's! | ||
| Ratbuell |
Outstanding work. All the Elves deserve many rounds of nice, cold beverages after something like this. Not just the reveal...but the fact there is something to BE revealed in the first place. I can't wait for the reviews to start coming in... | ||
| K12pilot |
Amen to that..  INCREDIBLE !!!!! | ||
| Chippy |
Is there any geekery on the nekkid/adv versions? It's been a long time since I've ventured out of the nebo forum, glad to see some pretty familiar usernames still kickin it. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Guy at BuellXB at the intro says mid-2014 for the SX; he didn't say anything about the AX. | ||
| 2kx1 |
Just out of curiosity where is Erik??? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Just out of curiosity where is Erik??? Very good question; I haven't seen him in any of the photos posted from the unveil at 3 or 4 sites. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
I think it'll look exactly like the current bike, with plastic bodywork, Showa suspenders & a different seat. It's just too sexy to make a bunch of changes to, but who knows? Damn I'm good! More power than the RS and traction control off the bat? That I didn't expect. Yeah there better be some serious magazine tests come spring. I forsee Superduke & Panigale comparos. I also forsee future "RS" spec versions being uber nasty.... Oh and "wet" is an industry standard, it means all fluids etc, no fuel. So a bike isn't penalised for a larger fuel tank. (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on October 16, 2013) |
