| Author | Message | ||
     Sir_wadsalot |
All American KTM is the flagship dealership, and the physically closest one to KTM US headquarters. Bikertrash works there.  He's worked in the moto business for years, gets demo bikes, and apparently spent some time last week in Austria telling the KTM US president what's what. All American's owner, as I understand it, used to work with EriK Buell, he has a Lightning with a buncha' race stuff on it that he got from Erik back in the day. Bikertrash is cool, he "gets it", and apparently his owner "gets it" as well. Here's our thread in sportbikez.net- http://www.sportbikez.net/forum/f4/all-american-ktm-ebr-24926/ Now, so far the major snag is that KTM just acquired Husqvarna, and is gonna want them to take up floor space.... Anyhow, I figured if you Buellers raised enough hell, and showed enough interest...maybe Trashey could make a pitch to his owner. Not to mention you guys are seriously in the know EBR wise. sportbikez/Bikertrash has registered here as "All American KTM", so he can take part. I wasn't sure whether to put this here or the 1125 board, as there's more traffic there..... At any rate, I think these would all look heart stoppingly good together, not to mention the engines are all distant cousins, so their techs would be a natural match.     I'm thinking floor space wise, the initial crop of streetbikes is only going to be one or two per dealer, but that's just off the top of my head. What do you guys think? (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on July 12, 2013) | ||
| Allamericanktm |
Hello all. I think three are actually a couple KTM dealers a little closer to the KTM North American HQ, but none are a dedicated KTM only dealership. I'm always interested in new ideas; However, I am a retail establishment which desires to turn a reasonable profit from my products. I admit to being a little unfamiliar with EBR, but wish to educate myself (which is why I am here). I appreciate the opportunity to learn from you all. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
not sure why a picture of the typhon was posted, its not an EBR product so what are you wanting exactly? us to tell an owner of a dealership that he needs to get on board with EBR? Ok - hey, become a dealer dude, it'll be rad. | ||
| Allamericanktm |
To be totally successful the people at the dealership level to the end user need to have a passion for their product. It's what has made us a successful KTM dealer. For us to consider an addition of this magnitude I need to see, feel, understand and appreciate a passion for this product. Otherwise it's no different than having Polaris in the building. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
The Typhon is shown because, some of the members have said one of the three bikes to be released in October will be a naked. Unless you have a better spy pic, the Typhon is as close as we have. I doubt it's gonna' have pods and look like a CR. What's with the attitude? I've known this guy like ten years now, he's as real as it gets, and he's being nice enough to take the time out of his life to entertain this. Don't give it the brushoff because we're coming from outside, that's how things grow. He's using corporate speak because I told him actual EBR people may see this at some point, and he's representing his business. Up until this point it's all been conjecture and bull sessions, but now it's gonna' get a little more serious. This was all my idea, I could have just forwarded him the dealer application from the EBR site and kept ribbing him, but I thought it would be nice for his people to see how enthusiastic the Buell community is about supporting EBR's future. Lets face it, we're pretty much the only ones who are, and I'm trying to spread the love a little more into mainstream sportbike land. Not that KTM's are that mainstream, but they're odd in the same V-twin superbike kind of way. A little support for a grass roots attempt would be nice. I don't have any money. I won't be able to buy an EBR when they're released. I can barely keep my 1125R running. I bought some EBR stickers just to show my support. And then I started this thread, and reached out to a good guy with a connection. If EBR doesn't have a good dealer network, they're gonna have a harder time moving bikes. Remember the huge HD network that didn't give a shit? 'Member how that worked out? As I understand it they're being pickey about who they let represent them, I kinda' thought KTM's flagship US dealer may be a fit. What I need is honest input on the idea of a KTM dealership selling badass EBR's alongside badass KTM's. If you think it's a bad idea, by all means tell us why, but indifference isn't helpful. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
i got zero problems with an EBR/KTM dealer, just didnt really understand the point of the thread. | ||
| Ljm |
It seems like an o.k. match to me. From what I can tell, might not be too hard to add EBR dealership on. Trevor, I appreciate you coming over and checking us out on Badweb. Lots of people here dedicated to Buells, and anxiously waiting for EBR production release and lots of people who want to see a U.S. bike succeed. The Mrs. and I have 5 Buells, 2 harleys and an EBR in the fleet. I think you will find that lots of the folks on here will stay true to theme when buying their next ride. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Thanks for the input! Who did you buy your EBR from, and how was the experience? I don't actually "know" anyone who'se bought one. Any pics? Advice for a prospective owner or dealer? Also, please invite other badwebbers in here, we need as much input as possible. | ||
| Ljm |
I bought the one that was on Ebay, so no dealer. The backlight in the cluster went out and dealt directly with the factory. They were VERY responsive and sent me a new one out immediately. Also since no dealer open as yet where bike is, have done the first 600 mile service myself and gave me a good chance to sort of look it over. The level of detail and fit and finish are really great. The 1125 is well made but this is a different animal. For example, the screws that hold the fairings on are 1/4 turn screws. It takes literally two minutes to take all the body panels off. In terms of advice for a dealer: get the bike out there. People will flock to it. I have gone to several events, including an outdoor car show and had a crowd around it all the time taking pictures. I was surprised how many people know about EBR and even the less knowledgeable know it was an Erik Buell design even if they misidentified it. Mine has the race exhaust and it is distinctive. Virtually every time I shut it off someone comes over. For the prospective owner: don't be deterred by the seat or the riding position. It is more comfortable than my 1125r. Seat pan was designed with the idea in mind that is has to be shaped like we are, and the rider pegs are less uncomfortable position-wise than the 1125. | ||
| Davegess |
If a person is interested in becoming a dealer they should contact Sales at Erik Buell Racing and find out the details. Give them a call. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
@Dave- I know how to do it, this is to demonstrate why they should do it! I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a response... Come on guys, Yer' killin' me, Smalls! | ||
| Trojan |
Now, so far the major snag is that KTM just acquired Husqvarna, and is gonna want them to take up floor space.... KTM haven't bought Husqvarna. The owner of KTM has bought Husqvarana as a separate entity, which is a slightly different affair entirely. Husqvarna road bikes have already been phased out, so they will not share floor space with KTM models. Some Husky off road bikes will survive and 'may' be sold through KTM dealers, but that isn't clear either yet. | ||
| M2typhoon |
First off, why not? I see Yami's and Suzuki's sold side buy side all day long. It comes down to client taste. In a perfect world, I'd buy one of each, not just the RC8 and the 1190RS but one of each of their models because they are different. I know many people who decided to became bandwagoneer hashimoto riders and they don't "get it". You also have to realize that EBR is not a mainstream product like the KTM's of the world and KTM's is far from a Yamaha or Suzuki. As I speak to more and more fellow riders, I'm more aware of their lack of awareness of the EBR products. Most of them think that Erik just faded away after HD had an economic crisis. The start-up for Erik is going to be difficult, very difficult, same goes for the dealers. He needs to get out their and not rely on the AMA air time to get him likes on FaceBook. He need to plant some buts in seats and get them to ride it. Track days, shows, possibly a touring team dedicated to exposing more people to the EBR products that's not in a dealer parking lot or some motorcycle show. I know riding one of these bikes is raw experience, people don't feel that when they sit on it or take pictures of it at a show. My $.02 | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Someone should only be a dealer if they have a true passion for it if it takes some internet guys who, most likely, WONT be shopping with them for a bike to convince them...maybe they SHOULDNT. Lets be honest - how many are ready RIGHT NOW to drop 19k on a EBR? Of you that raised your hand - are you close to this dealer? Or is there another that would be better for you (for service etc)? I want LOTS of EBR dealerships, want it to grow and people to recognize, on a wide scale, the technological advances EB has made. But if someone doesnt have their heart in it - dont do it. | ||
| Hootowl |
Agreed. If a dealer wants to carry EBR, it should be something they want to do, not something they are convinced to do. A bunch of guys on a forum who will probably never buy a motorcycle from this dealer should not be a source of encouragement. That leads to false expectations, disappointment, and bad feelings towards EBR and badweb. Conversely, if EBR's machines get your heart pounding, and you feel like you want to be a part of it, I don't think you'll find anyone here who thinks it's a bad idea. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I suspect this whole thread is a moot point anyway. According to the EBR dealer page (www.ebrdealer.info), EBR already has a dealer lined up in San Diego, which puts it about 40 miles from All American KTM. Also according to the EBR dealer page, dealers will be located no closer than 50 miles apart: http://www.ebrdealer.info/facts.html (under The EBR Dealer Advantage Program, 11th bullet down, near the bottom of the page). So, EBR might not make All American KTM a dealer even if they wanted to become one. Regardless, California's apparently going to have a LOT of dealers: http://www.ebrdealer.info/ca.html | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
i want to elaborate on my point from earlier think about all of the BAD Buell dealers - the HD dealers that had Buell PUSHED onto them. They didnt like the brand, didnt like the bikes, didnt like anything to do with it. When they had the option they ditched them quickly. Point is - THEY DIDNT WANT BUELL Now we have a guy here trying to convince a businessman to get onboard with EBR. While the idea of more EBR dealers sounds great, its not got the HEART it should have. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I think it's communicating an important point for a future dealer... EBR consumers aren't low information foaming at the mouth fanboys that can be whipped into action by stupid adds and empty promises. You will have to do more than pay us lip service. You better know the bikes, know how to deliver great service, and be ready to work hard. That's how EBR is doing it, that's how the dealers should do it as well. If the businessman wants to ask a thoughtful question, they will probably get a good answer here. | ||
| 1125rcya |
My local Honda shop has signed up to be a ebr rep. Erik has been working night and day IMO to secure his future. Would it be nice if KTM would sell EBR product, idonno? I would much rather take it to a Honda shop where there are many qualified techs rather than a small KTM shop. Hell I'm not sure if there is a KTM shop near me..lol. Whats so nice is that I can test the waters by having my local Honda shop service my 1125R. If they decline well I'd probably not purchase anything from them. I do know one the Honda techs there, and he did do a valve adjustment for me and took care of some other small problems for me under the table . I just think by using KTM would limit EBRs future rather than expand! | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
@Hybrid- Erik Buell, personally handed All American's owner a bigass box of race parts for his Lightning. Which he still owns. It's his street bike. He rides it. He is a Buell owner who worked with Erik Buell in the 80's. He gets it, nobody would be pushing anyone into anything, I'm just trying to put a bug in someone's ear. I'm just saying "Hey Trashey, it might be a cool idea if your shop sold these awesome bikes." Maybe he'll say "Hey Bob, you know Erik Buell's making motorcycles again..." That's all this is, and I don't understand why it's pissing you off? @1125Rcya- I would much rather take it to a Honda shop where there are many qualified techs rather than a small KTM shop. You make a valid point, and let me preface my rebuttal with this- my preferred local dealer and hangout is a Honda dealer, I even run Pro Honda oils, believe me I get it! However....this small KTM shop sells to, and supports a lot of dirt racers, and anyone involved in racing is dedicated. As far as their technical proficiency... Claus Holweg designed the LC8 engine. All of KTM's big V-Twins are some derivative of the LC8 engine. Prior to that, Claus Holweg designed the Aprilia Mille engine for Rotax. The Helicon is a derivative of the Aprilia Mille engine. I know it's a different design, but Rotax started with the Mille as a baseline and made changes, they didn't reinvent the wheel. The Helicon, Mille and LC8 are all very mechanically similar engines, all traced back to the same engineer. That alone, I would think, would make a good KTM tech better qualified to work on the 1190's than a Honda tech. How long has it been since Honda even offered a big V-twin? KTM guys probably work on 990 LC8's all the time. @reepicheep- That's exactly why I started this thread! @Trojan- You're correct- To quote Bikertrash in another forum... It was actually the owner of KTM, Stephan Pierer that purchased Husky. KTM has used Husaberg as a test platform for years. Any new technology that KTM develops is usually put on Husaberg first. Since Husaberg only makes around 3,000 bikes a year it's a smaller market to piss off if the new technology fails in real world application. If they brought out new technology and put it on KTM and it failed...Well that could be disastrous for the brand. Trouble is, not very many people know what a Husaberg is! They recognize the name Husqvarna. I have a feeling (and it's just a feeling) that they are going to rename the Husaberg product as Husqvarna to try and increase sales of that product. Fun Fact: Electrolux owns the "Name" Husqvarna and gets paid a royalty still for every time it's used on a product. We'll see what happens. @Hughlysses- That's the kind of knowledgeable and insightful input I'm looking for, thank you. Even if you're right and All American's too close to an already established shop, thanks! @No One In Particular- (Not you, reepicheep, I'm just sensing a generally defensive vibe here.) The businessman comments are a bit uncalled for. Of course they're businessmen, they've built their lives around motorcycles to the point that it feeds their families. Erik Buell is a businessman too, so is any professional mechanic or racer. Do you have several million dollars to invest in a startup company, attach it to your current business and hope for the best? No? Neither do I. One of these guys has ridden, raced, and sold dirt bikes longer than half of us have been alive, the other is a veteran who used his college money to get degrees relevant to the motorcycle industry. His nickname is "Bikertrash". I'm not talking about venture capitalist douchbags here, I'm talking about hardcore, lifelong motorcyclists. Grass roots campaigns start things...the American Revolution...the AMA...the civil rights movement, the Tea Party...HP was started in a shed, and Buell was started in a barn. The Wright Brothers started in a bicycle shop. I just think it would be outstandiner' than hell if we could point to All American and say "They sell EBR's now. We had a part in that." Even if it's a long shot.  Yes, that took me an hour and a half. Now I have to paste some of your comments into sportbikez.net, as I spread the Buell/EBR love everywhere I can! My next project? Going into the R1 Forum and tellin 'em why I-4's suck. (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on July 16, 2013) (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on July 16, 2013) | ||
| Ljm |
You know some of these guys would be negative if their grandkids made them a birthday card, right? Charge ahead. If it makes business sense for Trevor and it all falls in line for EBR, it would be great for us too. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Sir - Im not pissed off at all. When I wrote those things I was enjoying a late lunch and feeling quite good on my day off. Youre confusing an opposite opinion with aggression. Im being realistic. I'll say again - youre asking people on BadWeb to convince this guy to pick up EBR, people who have nothing to lose in this and people who may never do business with the man (AAKTM) ever. I stand by my statement that maybe if he needs convincing that he shouldnt do it. Yes, I see he owns and has worked with EB in the past....so why does he need convincing then? | ||
| Airbozo |
I'm all for more EBR dealers. I've even mentioned it to several of the dealers in my area. I know the owners of the San Jose HD dealer and they were pretty gung ho for selling the Buells, but the attitude of the "regulars" there were pretty bad. The Santa Cruz HD/Buell dealer was the best around. They even dedicated a portion of their store _just_ for Buells (and Aprillia's for a time). No one was more disappointed than me when they went bankrupt (and almost took my sportster with them). As far as me buying an EBR bike, I am patiently waiting to see what is coming out before I make my decision. I will test ride any models for sure and decide then. It's been a while, but I have been to All American KTM and was quite impressed with their place. They are enthusiasts and it shows. (Message edited by Airbozo on July 16, 2013) | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
A quote from Pyrogen- I bought a 2011 RC8R recently to replace my 2009 1125R and riding them back to back, ergo wise I feel like they are pretty similar, though the 1125R has a much more comfortable seat and a little higher bars. The KTM is probably much closer to what Erik wanted the 1125 to be originally so it should compare to the 1190RX pretty well in my opinion, but that is pure speculation. The KTM feels like I added 30hp and refinement to my 1125R. I don't think I could ever go back to a I4, the V2s are the way to go. Current AMA Superbike Standings Chris Fillmore, RC8R 7th Geoff May, 1190RS 8th I think we spanked 'em last weekend, we're catching up! | ||
| Allamericanktm |
Thank you all for your input. I have been observing this thread the last few days. I would like to respond to a couple things that appeared the last few days: @ Hybridmomentspass: Early on I mentioned " To be totally successful the people at the dealership level to the end user need to have a passion for their product. It's what has made us a successful KTM dealer. For us to consider an addition of this magnitude I need to see, feel, understand and appreciate a passion for this product. Otherwise it's no different than having Polaris in the building." While you later responded with "Someone should only be a dealer if they have a true passion for it if it takes some internet guys who, most likely, WONT be shopping with them for a bike to convince them...maybe they SHOULDNT." I've always done my research by council of people knowledgeable on the product/situation. I mentioned in my first post that is why I am here. I am unfamiliar with the product and I was counting on being educated as to WHY it's got the following it does. Why are people passionate about it and can I be passionate about it? When someone walks into my dealership and asks me to educate them as to why the KTM is a better product, I take the time to educate them on Everything KTM. From the Corporate philosophy of being a bike that's "Ready To Race" to the actual machine and how it's put together. The passion I share makes them see KTM in a totally different light. That's what I was looking for here. It's that education that makes dealers and brands successful. By my past, I'm just a whack job motorcycle enthusiast with a few business degree's and a passion for 2 wheels. At one single time in my garage I had a Honda Superhawk, R6 (50th Anniv edition), Aprilia Falco, BMW R1100S, and an MZ Skorpion Traveler. Motorcycles and I have always gone hand in hand and I appreciate things NON-mainstream if they are a quality product. I needed someone to be passionate enough about EBR's products to educate me & make me passionate about them too. Le Sigh. @ Everyone else, I appreciate your input and advice. I've made a few calls to some local dealers and cannot find the San Diego EBR dealership posted in that link, but I will keep trying. @Airbozo: Thank you for your business. I think you're the only one here that can actually understand who we are as a company since you have personal first hand experience with us. Thank you for the kind words. We try and set our bar to a high standard. So thank you again for the info and opening up your forum to me. -Trevor | ||
| Jwoody |
/gets on soapbox I can tell you why there is a passion. We don't want to be like the Yamma's, the Honda's, the Kawa's and the rest coming out of Japan. Granted there are some fine specimens in Europe - RC8R included of course - but for the most part we want exclusivity. We don't what to have another bike that was stamped out, processed, assembled like a LEGO - built in 1 hour and then out the door to the local showroom. We want something that we know a fellow rider/racer put his heart and soul into. We want to be able to say, "look what I have, the ingenuity and quality." The power and handling are second nature to must of us now. We are a niche crowd. I have noticed because of that we seek each other out to talk shop about the bike(s) and riding. We take great pride in knowing that EBR (and the 1190x) has a future that we want to be part of. The AMA circuit is heating up and again some of us will be glued to our TV's or in the stands at Race Day. We want to feel and know what a precision machine can do in our own back roads. Because it is going to be another precision machine that was built and test on those same roads. I grew up with HD from my father. I always knew that when it was my turn to own, it would be Buell. I wanted a sportbike that was American. I wanted something that was close to home that I knew was only built a few states away. A place where I could email/call/stop by and see for myself what our hard earned monies bought. If EBR went away tomorrow. I would be unsure of which direction I would turn. The CR would never be sold/scrapped. I consider it an heirloom or heritage piece. Its a part of this country's history. I would certainly entertain the thought of an RC8R as a stablemate and not a direct replacement. Its one of the last V-twins that has no electronics (i.e., ABS, TCS) that would appear on paper to handle like the 1125/1190. -J /gets off soapbox | ||
| Essmjay |
Most of us are passionate about a bike that is no longer made, by a company that no longer exists. It is great that a new company is going to make bikes, but right now the fan base of actual owners is pretty small. A number of the guys here on this forum don't even own an old Buell anymore. | ||
| Schwara |
I am in support of anything that keeps the Buell designs going. It is absolutely a Cinderella or David and Goliath story depending on how you look at it, and one of the announcers this last weekend at the Mid Ohio track even said it ... on national television he actually talked about a bike that was not going to win. I was getting irritated that they were only looking at the first 4-5 bikes when one of the guys finally made a comment about the EBRs. Seriously, are you kidding me ... this tiny company from nowhere Wisconsin USA is within a few spots of the giant Yamaha. Who cares if they're in the top 5 ... they are in the race and I own a piece of that history. My Uly isn't the fastest or prettiest but I'll take a good # of uneducated dorks off the line and none of them turn the heads that I do. I can honestly care less about any of that though because I KNOW for a fact that I know my bike more than 99% of the guys out there. My bike is unique and she is fun to ride. My wife is preparing to move on to her 2nd motorcycle in 14 months all because of how much she like riding on Penny with me. Buells are still bringing in new riders and changing over old ones even though no "production" bikes have been available for a while. Who else can say that? Sadly, I bought my 1st (& current, but not last) Buell from a listed Buell HD dealer, who knew nothing about the damn bike ... pardon my French. I appreciate a prospective dealer who cares about knowing more. I think it is a great thing that someone is showing an interest in something unique and special and innovative. This is now on my list for a fly and drive and I can't wait. | ||
| Allamericanktm |
now SEE!! That's what I needed! JWoody: I totally understand that. getting out of the mainstream. I raced ATK's when the Jap brands were the norm. We have the appreciation for things handmade & carefully thought out from a racer prospective. The Japanese mindset, and I don't care if it's a motorcycle or a microwave, is Production Cost. How can we build it for a specific amount and still turn X amount of profit. I know KTM is a manufacturer that will build the bike right first and worry about production cost second. I assume EBR is like that, but I need to be better educated on the engineering side of things. Wads said: One of these guys has ridden, raced, and sold dirt bikes longer than half of us have been alive, the other is a veteran who used his college money to get degrees relevant to the motorcycle industry. I got a little confused. The Owner and I are both lifelong motorcycle people/racers & Veterans. Gotta give props where they are due. The owner is a 21yr Retired P-3 pilot with 2 engineering degree's. His relationship with erik was in the engineering realm. I'll try to find out the details, but I've seen the bike and heard the story. He is the Tech side of our shop and I am the retail side. It's the best of both worlds. He started sweeping the floors of an HD shop @ 11yrs old, then went on to be a factory motocross racer for HD in the early 70's. He still has his HD 2 stroke race bikes. I understand the desire for an EBR only dealer, unfortunately I don't see that happening. The start up costs alone are huge. Plus without the flooring lines already set up the interest $ per month would be huge as well. They would have to Co-op the dealer for advertising, the holdback would have to be MASSIVE...I just don't see a stand alone as a first option. Speaking from experience, it will Have to piggy back another dealer with these things already in place. Again from experience when a big multi line carries KTM. The young, inexperienced salespeople shy away from the more unique/expensive product tucked away in the corner and just agree with everything the purchaser see's up front or what his buddy has. They don't know the product, they are scared of it because 80% of the sales people out there are NOT enthusiasts. So I ask you. If EBR HAS to be paired with someone...Where would YOU shop for an EBR?? Put a cupcake next to a turd and it isn't so appealing...Is it? I appreciate this interaction. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Put a cupcake next to a turd and it isn't so appealing...Is it?   @Trevor- I filled in the blanks about your boss. See that little high pipe coming up the side? That's the street muffler. You unbolt that at the belly pan and you have inbuilt, underslung race exhaust. Who does that? Nobody, that's who. Quality Control- All EBR 1190 engines are currently hand built. The production models may come pre assembled from Rotax, but still. Time Lapse Engine Build- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPKYnM3jfI American Innovation- (Who else is gonna' do this?) Hand laying the carbon, etc. etc... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T32OAdBoMv8 Ready To Race- The current crop of 100 are race homologation specials, but the production versions won't be far off. You can even buy a lot of EBR custom stuff to beef up an 1125R, and the prices are reasonable. Superbike Brake Kit- http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/brakes.html 1125 to 1190 Big Bore Kit- http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/powertrain/106mm-big-bore-kit.html EBR Race Exhaust- (As ran during the 2009 AMA Daytona Sport Bike championchip season) http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/powertrain/1125-race-exhaust-kit.html Keda Design- http://www.deanadamsdesigns.com/shop/page/1?sessid=AxzvNPuCkXMH7tuTyqlEEcnN3DOjm0gFQ2uzwWH3MgvFPkYsZt9SJzO5P4nJP2fL&shop_param= Dean Adams is a BADWEB member & sponsor. He as I understand it, started out fabbing a car muffler to the bottom of his 1125R in his garage. Now he makes the baddest aftermarket 1125R exhaust you can get, tuned in house at EBR. Who the hell does that? Nobody! Take a home made muffler to Yamaha for an obsolete, 5 year old defunct R1 and ask them to help you develop it, see what you get. (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on July 17, 2013) (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on July 17, 2013) | ||
| Hughlysses |
BTW- the "rule" I mentioned from the EBR dealer page about dealers having to be at least 50 miles apart must be somewhat flexible. I notice they have 2 dealership locations listed for South Carolina that are only about 35 miles apart. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"I grew up with HD from my father" thats how I got into it - hes a HD guy and knew I wanted something smaller/sportier and bought me my S3 about 12 years ago (or was it 13...whatever) I do think that with Buell there is a certain MIA pride that I really like. I LOVE when people say something about 'rice rocket' about my bike, i laugh and ask them where it was made and like to correct them. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
I wish Erik would chime in right about now. There is no longer any good reason why he should not be active on this site. Other than the inevitable leg humping, he stands to gain from participation here. | ||
| Allamericanktm |
I would as well. Would appreciate open/ private conversation. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'd love to see him here, but it would be a terrible idea. There would be more than just leg humping, there would be the Dyna's (the old schoolers here will understand that reference) of the world walking in to every post on every topic and peeing all over everyone and everything. It would be a disaster. Just look at the EBR facebook page. They congratulate Rob on a win, and people post whiney messages complaining that EBR screwed them because they can't get a free replacement stator for their 1125. The right answer from EBR is "Why are you surprised Harley screwed you over, look what they did to us?!?!", but they can't say that. So don't say anything. Corporate communications need to go through corporate communications for good reasons. It's a disaster any other way. Facebook pages give you some control if you have the time to hover over them nervously. But frankly I'm not sure why people bother with those either unless they have a lot of money to burn. | ||
| Stevenfrye |
hey where and when you have my business if you get started. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
All American KTM- Ramona, California http://www.allamericanktm.com/index.htm  Let's get EBR on there!!! (Message edited by sir_wadsalot on July 18, 2013) | ||
| Mcelhaney14 |
Allamerican, I believe the other dealer was suppose to be san diego BMW. They had a display at the international motorcycle show with the 1190RS. I ride down your way on occasion, might have to stop by. | ||
| Blackm2 |
What Mc said, San Diego BMW is the EBR dealer for SD. http://www.sdbmwmc.com/catalog/ (Message edited by Blackm2 on July 22, 2013) | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Thanks guys, I'm told the answer was that they have to move more RC8's before they can look into selling another high pricepoint V-Twin superbike, which I think is reasonable, as they just started selling the RC8 last year, and Trevor's going to keep his eye on EBR's development. So maybe a seed has been planted for the future! Thanks for the input! |
