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Haaken
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So when my bike warms up and I go to take off from a light, it seems that no matter what I do my bike pings a bit. When I just start out it doesn't do this, but once it gets not it starts to act up.

It is starting to get hot here so that may have something to do with it. I live in south Florida, and it was good All winter but now it's starting to act like this when ithe bike gets hot.

Any suggestions? Would an oil cooler help? Could my forcewinder intake and v&h exhaust on stock tuning do this?
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Two_seasons
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like your static timing is off. If you don't have a service manual, get one. One of your best investments.

American Sport Bike sells them.

These bikes are easy to maintain but they do need the occasional wrench taken to them.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 04:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gas quality can play a significant part
If it's available where you are, you can get an additive aimed at the classic car market for cars that run on leaded gas, a splash of that in a tankful would likely cure the problem.

As Two_seasons says though, get a manual & fettle it yourself.
The tools you need aren't high tech & the mechanics on a tuber isn't rocket-science.

The sense of satisfaction you'll get from fixing it yourself is priceless, for everything else there's... whoops wrong ad.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it only ping when starting off, that's normal.
Mine will ping on a cold day too.
When it's hot out, use the clutch a little more.
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Kalali
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Find the highest octane premium gas you can buy in your area.
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The gas octane is the issue, if race gas or an octane booster stops it. You can knock your timing back a notch and look at your spark plugs.What heat range are you using?A lot of these tubers need a colder heat range.If you see metal (alum.)spots on the ceramic part of your plugs, fix it fast before it cost you a piston.
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Anonymous
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not sure about the plugs. The previous owner put them in. They are Harley plugs and where a week old when I bought the bike. I was considering going a range cooler on the plugs. Any suggestions on those?

As far as gas, I always run 93 in it. I could try an octane booster, but I just dont think that should be necessary on a stock bike...I could be wrong though.

A far as static timing, would that ever get knocked out of whack on its own? It has ran great up until recently when the weather started getting hot. I didn't ride the bike much last summer since I started a new job. I have recently added a forcewinder exhaust and wonder if it is running a little lean?
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you using the correct heat range plug
(10 - r12) IIRC, the earlier manuals called for 6-r12 or some thing like that.

My bike did that earlier in my case the ecm was replaced, I removed the air box and fitted a force winder and a super trap.

A race ecm is a good investment here for your changes.
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you running a Force exhaust or a Vance & Hines? The Force should have a seriously lean spot around 3K(unless tuned for)You need to look at the plugs and know the # on the plug. The fact you got it from a HD dealer is no guarantee you got the right plugs.
Im not a FI guy, but i would think your gonna need a different map for the Force exhaust.
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Haaken
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a v&h exhaust on it and a forcewinder style intake. I don't really get any pinging when crushing, only taking off when the bike is hot.

I will check on the plugs. Again, the previous owner put them in and I havnt messed with that yet.

I have an ECM spy Cale and software, but I haven't been ale to get it to connect yet. I have a race map to load, but I just don't know what I'm doing wrong with the software. That may increase the fueling?
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Firemanjim
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look at plugs, some Harley dealers never got the message that ALL Buells use the colder 10R and will sell you the 6Rplugs that will ping in a Buell.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have an aftermarket exhaust and intake, and are using the stock ECM fuel map, it's too lean. The race map will probably fix your problem.
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Haaken
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So the plugs are champion ra8hc plugs. I can't seem to find what heat range that is, but I am betting they are the wrong ones.

Anyone ave any tips for installing ECM spy and drivers for the cable properly?
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looking at a cross reference chart your RA8HC plugs are way too hot for a Buell.
I like and use NGK DCPR9E any brand is going to be better than what# you are running.This WILL damage your engine.
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Haaken
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordering the proper NGK plugs today. I had a spare set of plugs that were Harley brand and thought the we're the same as we're in there already...Hopefully I havnt done any damage yet.
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Haaken
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just checked the old set that came with the bike. They were 6r plugs...Looks like they were treating this like any other Harley before I got it.
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