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Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 12:23 pm: | 
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I have never owned a cell phone and hope to keep it that way. And the smart phones are even worse. I can wait to get home to get on the computer. Texting sounds like something for people that are afraid to be left out of the loop for more than a second. I could care less. Bah humbug. How in the world did folks ever get by without technology. Just freaking fine I'd wager. |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 04:09 pm: |
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It is gonna be interesting to see when/if the communication grid goes down again... we've had only small taste so far. Of course this would be tragic for those in real need... not for those how need to update their status. I bet the headlines will read something like:
"Major Earthquake hits West Coast....
Facebook & Twitter are down!" |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 04:31 pm: |
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"Buell engineers were at least partially concerned with tank slapper syndrome." On most bikes these can happen because of a badly setup suspension system. I have never come across any mention of this on a Uly and never come close to one on the Uly and I ride it hard on all types of road. I have even hit BIG holes at speed in a bend and it had no problem. Trust me its not an issue at all.
The 06 forks are plenty big enough for the road and I have no idea why they fitted the HUGE ones on the later bikes. The 06 steering lock is not an issue on the road but can be a pain if moving the bike around in a tight space. You get used to it though.
On the road, at speed, the 06 and 10 bikes feel much the same. They both have a dive issue which is an easy fix. But at low speeds they are NOT the same? The 10 bike is like any other bike but the 06 bike has a strange feel to it. It was like you would need to use "counter" steering at a speed that you would normally use "direct" steering because "direct" steering would upset the bikes balance. I think that why they moved the front axle position. Again you get used to it.
Both bikes have that "light" feel as you pass through the 80 mph mark. Most can be "dialed out" with correct suspension setup. The 10 bike is near perfect but for the 06 bike, and I do not know why, I had to remove the hand guards to fix this one. It was fine after that.
If you are going to buy one get a later bike with the bigger engine crank shaft and other updates like the comfort kit/fan logic, DDFI-3 and idle valve. These alone are worth the extra cost. |
General_ulysses
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 05:24 pm: |
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Well I had an '08 in my sights, but it was too far away. Now I have an '06 ready to buy at a much lower cost. Based on what you guys are saying, sounds like the '06/'07 is still a decent bike, just gotta buy it right to make it worth it. How many miles can I expect to get out of the older engine with the smaller crankpin? |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 06:00 pm: |
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You can probably get 100K miles out of an 06.
I wouldn't trade my 06 even-up for an 08 bike. They'd have to throw some extra's into the deal. At least I can check the oil easily on my 06 and my boy's 07 and that can't be said for the 08/09/10 bikes from what I've read here. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 06:02 pm: |
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"can I expect". What sort of numbers would you want from a bike? |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 06:12 pm: |
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"At least I can check the oil easily on my 06 and my boy's 07 and that can't be said for the 08/09/10 bikes from what I've read here." It is the same and WHY would it not be so? I have had a 06 and 10 bike. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 11:29 am: |
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Ulyman,
I only stated what I've read on BadWeb about checking oil on the 08 and up engines. That it is not an easy thing to do. |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 12:10 pm: |
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Froggy.....Faster ain't always faster. One.....I waste more damn time on this computer doing stuff like BadWeB. Here is proof:
I used to work with professionals who KNEW what they were doing. Not like now.
I could walk into a Chevrolet dealer's parts department and order up twenty parts for the front body of say, a pickup. The parts guy took pride in knowing the parts and their numbers. He would walk to the shelves get the parts then walk back to his desk and write a bill, parts numbers and bin locations all from memory. Done in minutes. Always 100% accurate, and any differences in parts were fixed immediately, because he could point out anything like year model changes in colors of trim etc. He had Knowledge.
Since the inception of computers we now have a minimum wage Ijits who don't know a wheel from a parking lamp. You have to give him, by fax or email, a detailed list of parts with the numbers attached, which I have to research myself because he will never get it right by description. I then have to wait for them to process the order. The next day it should be ready to be shipped out. This next part happened to me last week....
My parts are scheduled on their morning run, but because I had a few moments work to do off premises, at noon lunch time, even though I gave them a written message that they need to call my cell phone for a heads up an hour or two out, they don't. They miss me in the twenty minutes I happen to be out, so the parts get to ride around all day. Later they determine the guy doesn't have time to get back today. So the next day the 'puter brain heads back out, but they forget to put my parts back on the truck, he shows up without them, but he has the invoice. His morning 'puter generated load list did not have my parts back on it. He had to walk around my parts on the dock in order to load the truck with his current load.
I finally get it a day and a half late and they had to make a special fifty mile round trip at their cost.
Upon opening the packages three of the parts are wrong due to trim variances that were not listed in the 'puter program I was running to generate the itemized parts list. A program they provided. I then waste more time researching the parts numbers I need(out of a ••••••• book of all things) and get the order fixed. Now we have to wait two more days for these parts to come from a warehouse somewhere in 'puter land. Then because of their screwed up screw up they send it on another special fifty mile round trip shipping deal.
Somehow I lost over eight hours of my time from the inception of this 'puter generated fiasco.
This is not an uncommon problem. I have one vendor for truck body parts who when I order parts over the phone reads me the parts numbers off the top of his head as he is typing in the order. He tells his 'puter the numbers he wants from my description. This man never misses. He uses the computer as his tool, not his brain.
What we are telling you Froggy, about life before computers, is that it was nice working with truly professional people who did not have to depend on a keystroke to think. In the future I believe you will find as the need for being able to think diminishes and dependence on computers gets more ingrained into youth, American society will become weaker and weaker.....Oh crap.....it is working that way now.
WTF was this thread about?
Oh yeah, stupid things like the front wheel off the ground coming out of a corner.....I never said it wasn't fun! A lot of stupid things are fun!
PS, I wasted the time to write this because I am stuck here waiting for a response to an email. Why the hell people cannot just call these days is stupid. They got a phone, I got a phone, just call me ya emailin' bastard!
(Message edited by etennuly on March 23, 2013) |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 12:17 pm: |
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Computers are, unfortunately, like any other tool.
If you don't know how to use a wrench, it doesn't do you much good to own one.
Unfortunately, most of the "Ijits", as Vern affectionately calls them, assume the computer will take up the slack and know how to use itself for them. People are complacent and stupid and figure the "machine" will do it all for them, and all they have to do is collect a check.
But in the end...a computer is just a tool, just like a wrench or a hammer. Only as good as the person using it. |
Motorbike
| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 10:26 pm: |
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Froggy, Once again, I guess my point wasn't clear. I said I could live without computers. That would only apply if computers had not been invented. If no one had one, we would all be a lot better off. You should watch the old Andy Griffith shows, you know, Andy, Barney, Aunt Bea, Mayberry. That's how life was and should still be.
Maybe you can view some of the old re-runs on one of your electronic devices? |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2013 - 10:53 am: |
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froggy is a power failure from expiring
he cant live with out tech
Kinda sad we old guys as he calls us can
we built the tech he loves so much
LOLOL  |
General_ulysses
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2013 - 02:34 pm: |
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I embrace technology and welcome its benefits with open arms, but only up to a point. Computers are a double edged sword, just like any technology. In the old days motorcycles had points/condenser ignition systems and carburetors. The old ignition and carburetion systems were primitive by today's standards and they didn't offer the reliability, efficiency and power that today's EFI/Electronic ignition systems do. But those advantages come at a price. They're more expensive to buy and maintain, they're harder to work on and repair for most people not overly "into" computers. They often require diagnostic equipment that is often expensive and can become obsolete rather quickly (not always, but in many cases this is true). Modern fuel/ign control systems add complexity and make diagnosing problems harder - yes even with diagnostics, which help, but still don't bring things to the level of simplicity of the old bikes.
Technology can also leave you in a lurch on the side of the road where old tech is fixable on the fly. I've read more than a few stories here about people being stranded because their fuel pumps went up. Carbureted bikes use gravity for a fuel pump. Unless there's a breakdown in the space-time continuum, gravity isn't going to fail on you. A carb can be taken apart, cleaned out and adjusted on the side of the road. Points can be set with a matchbook cover. If you know your bike and had the foresight to bring the right tools and spares with you, you can fix almost anything ignition or fuel related on the spot.
I like modern bikes and all they have to offer. But I've been on both sides of the fence and witnessed firsthand the evolution from old tech to new tech. Younger guys often think nothing was lost by going to the modern systems, but it ain't all slam dunk. |
Uly_man
| | Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2013 - 04:29 pm: |
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"Younger guys often think nothing was lost by going to the modern systems, but it ain't all slam dunk." I would have to agree with that. EFI on bikes, unlike cars, has been hard to make work right due to the nature of a bike and even the latest of bikes can have problems. EFI is, however, the only way forward. Its a good thing we have ECM-SPY/TunerPro for these bikes. Very few others do. People and makers need to understand the harsh world a bike works in. Electrics on bikes have always been a problem and the need, as Buell has at least tried to fix, for proper electric plugs for electronics is vital.
I guess I am lucky to be able to do the things I can with this bike. In part it is due to knowing old bikes but mainly about the type of work I do.
I can understand how some would have a problem with things that should not be so in the first place and have a right to be pissed with that problem. NO ONE should buy a product and need to spend time trying to figure out that problem for themselves. This is all to common these days and getting worse by the day.
Parts from dealers? I am NOT going to even go there.
EG its no problem as the same for all Ulys. |
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