| Author | Message | ||
     Advoutlander |
Hi all, I've been browsing on here for a short time but this is my first post. Today I've been looking at a 2006 xb12x for sale. The bike runs fine but there are some issued i'm concerned about. Firstly the bike has been dropped on its side and a section had broken off near the footpeg, it was repaired with JB weld, my question is what is the part called and is it available to order.  When the bike was dropped the puck took the impact but there is a hairline crack in the paint. It is has not dented the actual frame, will this be a future potential rust spot?  The stock exhaust is rusty, the owner said it was cleaned up and coated in naval wax/grease. How much would it cost to have the exhaust sandblasted and ceramic coated?  How often is the drive belt supposed to be changed? What is the best off road tire available for the xb12x that is not going to suck on the road? The bike has 21k miles, what is considered high mileage for these bikes? | ||
| Froggy |
I forget the exact name, but it something along the lines of Right Side Footpegs Support Bracket. Being that the crack is below the peg I wouldn't worry about it too much, as it appears it will only be under stress when using the rear brake, it isn't something that will just break off randomly just cruising due to your weight. Good news for you regarding parts, every single part on the Ulysses is still available and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
I'm not going to comment on that as I honestly don't have an answer, but I would be worried about a dent underneath that puck that may have caused that.
You would have to get a quote from a local ceramic coater, if I remember right Jethot does them for about $150
When it breaks.  What we normally recommend is that if you don't have a spare belt, order one, and install it in the comfort of your home. This is because the new belts are really tight, and that makes it difficult to install with limited tools on the side of the road. The old used belt will be stretched and broken in, allowing it to drop in with ease, so that is why we recommend doing the swap and keeping the old as an emergency spare.
Pirelli Scorpion Trail
No, that is barely broken in   | ||
| Froggy |
Ok the footpeg mount, part number is N0401.1AKAYBP If I remember right, I ordered one a few years ago, that specific part number is obsolete, but your dealer can use that, it will tell them the part number that replaced it. | ||
| Uly_man |
"a section had broken off near the footpeg, it was repaired with JB weld". This is just Epoxy glue and if the section DID "break off" it WILL again at some point. You will either need to add a mechanical repair to it like a metal plate on the back. Have it welded but this is a "cast alloy" section so you will need a GOOD welder to do it. Or buy a new or used part to replace it. I myself would try and get it welded. That, the can surface rust and the rubber you want is no problem. The frame is though? The frame is is made of extruded and block alloy parts which are welded together and powder coated. I can not see from your picture but if the paint has "cracked/split" then the metal underneath will have taken some force from the impact. This may not be a problem for some but here in the UK an insurance company, even on a brand new bike, it would need a new frame and as such would be "written off" and a "total lose" payout. The reason is that any stress on alloy can get worse latter on so they will not take the risk. Remember this frame is the "Number one" part of the bike, as well as your gas tank, and any fault with it is a safety issue. If you are unsure of anything get an engineer to look at it. I would. Mind you I would have already have "walked" on it. Lots of other MUCH better Ulys out there and this would need to be dirt cheap for me to buy. | ||
| Advoutlander |
Thanks for the part no. for the footpeg mounting bracket, it is still available and costs around $150. How is the puck removed? Here is a more detailed picture.   I cannot see any dents around the puck or where the paint is cracked, it looks like the angle it was dropped at impacted the edge of the frame and cracked the coating or paint. The local HD dealer is a buell dealer and they said they can do an inspection of the bike, my concern is how experienced are they with these bikes to identify a structural fault. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Are the handlebars bent from the crash? When you are going straight does it seem like the bars are aimed off a bit? Work the price of the handlebars off the price if they aren't true to the forks. If the bike runs good and the price is good then buy it. Maybe this guy that is selling it hasn't ridden it since the crash. Can't hardly believe that he'd be riding around with a jb welded rear brake lever bracket because that seems kind of foolhardy. Also, I think the tank is magnesium or aluminum so it isn't going to rust. | ||
| Etennuly |
Being a bit of an expert on crashed vehicles I will venture this opinion on the frame/tank damage. If there is no visible damage at the steering neck area, the forks track straight, then look at the edge under the dented area, if it is not cracked or split, no gas is leaking from it, I would not feel bad about using it. The tank/frame is made of an aluminum alloy that has dented under the rubber puck. The crack you see is in the powder coat. The powder coat is repairable with normal body shop products and methods, or being that it is minor damage you could leave it alone. The puck can be removed by using a sawing motion with a length of fishing line between it and the tank to cut through the two sided tape that holds it on. If you are going to repair the dented area or not, when installing a new puck, it's two sided tape is a one shot deal(powerful stuff) so mark the location with a pencil for proper alignment before trying to stick it on. I would replace the foot peg mounting bracket. JB weld is not really great in a place where you might need that rear brake to work. | ||
| Advoutlander |
I did not notice the handlebars are bent. I am going to take another look at the bike. The damage was caused by someone leaning on the bike on a hill. It fell and slid a bit. Scraping the puck, right passenger footpeg, the footpeg mount (jb weld area) and the brake lever that was replaced. I'm definitely going to check it again regarding if the handlebars are aimed off a bit, it felt fine. Now when I was driving it under 10mph I felt the forks pull to the right. The bike had not been rode in a while and tire pressure was under 15psi, we filled up the tires and pulling to the right completely stopped. Price is between $4-5K. 2006 22k miles, full side and rear buell luggage, new battery, original belt, 1200 miles on tires, k&n filter. I would definitely repair the footpeg mounting bracket and will call on monday to see if I can get one. Etennuly based on your experience, do you think the crack was caused by the frame making contact with the ground or the puck absorbing the impact which has dented the powercoating. If it is the latter do you think if the puck was removed a dent would be visible? | ||
| Thejosh |
To remove the puck, use dental floss in a sawing motion starting from the top. The picks are stuck on with a adhesive backing. The XB12X pucks are Ulysses specific, so when you order a new one, make sure it's for the Uly. Make sure you scrape all of the old residue off. | ||
| Advoutlander |
Also would you request the owner removes the puck so I can inspect it? | ||
| Luftkoph |
Is there even any gas on that side of the frame to leak? IMHO I would run away from it,too many out there at that price, or better,and in good condition. | ||
| Advoutlander |
I am finding hardly any xb12x's for sale. | ||
| Etennuly |
Yeah, the dent is caused by the rubber puck absorbing the impact. The fuel is in both sides of the frame/tank. The crack is in the powder coating on the outside of the tank(literally hard plastic baked electrostatic coating(instead of paint)). To make that dent the metal of the tank had to flex, or bend in further than the powder coat can flex, or bend, so the powder coat cracked. Similar to cracked paint, structurally not involved with the dent. The important thing I would be looking harder at is the area under the bottom edge of the tank. There is a welded seam there. If it is not cracked or leaking it should be good. From what I am seeing in the pictures, that will not be a problem. There will be nothing gained by looking under the puck. There are more Ulys for sale on the BadWeb Classified board, Craigs list, and E-Bay. However you may have to be willing to do a fly and ride, or have it shipped, to get it. | ||
| Jstav2012 |
I have a Uly with a dent under the puck, and along the edge (from the first owner). You only really notice it if you look at just the right angle. I was going to pull the puck off, fill with aluminum body filler, paint, and replace the puck, but will probably never get around to it. It does not affect the bikes handling one bit. I have heard of other owners fixing frame dents in a similar manner. I did get my bike for $4K with less mileage. You can buy frame paint to cover up the cracked coating. | ||
| Jstav2012 |
I would also mention that you can get high temp paint at the auto parts store, and make the muffler look almost brand new. I wire brushed, applied high temp primer, and high temp black to my exhaust because it was rusted. | ||
| Advoutlander |
I appreciate everyone's information first and foremost. I'll have the bike filled with gas and check under the frame. In person I could not see the dent just the cracked powercoating. Can you tell me about the frame paint that will work? When you wire brushed the rust off, to what extent did you remove the rust, a hand wire brush or wire brush drill attachment. | ||
| Advoutlander |
I forgot to mention is it normal the bike vibrates at idle? I was not sitting on the bike, rev it to 1900-2000rpm and was very shaky, then revved it higher and the bike was rolling itself back in neutral which I've never seen before. | ||
| Reepicheep |
A $20 Harbor Freight angle grinder with stainless steel brush attachment is the bee's knee's for cleaning up an XB exhaust. High temp engine paint seems to last longer than stove paint when repainting. Vibration can be pretty subjective. In my opinion, the XB's shake like crazy at idle, but pretty much anywhere above 1500 RPM or so (just off idle) are very smooth. Others interpret it differently though. I'm not sure what you mean by rolling itself into neutral... if you put an XB in gear, it should stay in gear until you take it out of gear. So if it's self shifting back into neutral without you touching the shifter, that *is* a problem, and very possibly a "split the cases" level of problem. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
If it is popping out of gear then walk away. | ||
| Advoutlander |
What I mean is when the bike is in neutral, on the kick stand, without me sitting on the bike, when revved over 3000rpm the bike slowly moves backwards. | ||
| Timberwolf |
What I mean is when the bike is in neutral, on the kick stand, without me sitting on the bike, when revved over 3000rpm the bike slowly moves backwards that's normal | ||
| Etennuly |
I forgot to mention is it normal the bike vibrates at idle? Now that's funny right there!  At 3500 to 4000 rpms from third gear up, it should be so smooth it makes you wonder how it did that at idle.  It'll cruise at 4000 all day easily. | ||
| Advoutlander |
It was a peach to ride once it got moving, it felt "raw" if that's a word to describe it. Does anyone on here have the 2006 xb12x service manual on pdf? Also does anyone have a pdf owners manual specific to the 2006 xb12x as the link on the top of the page is broken. | ||
| Advoutlander |
As I mentioned above when idling in neutral I revved the slow ly and found between 1700-2000rpm the vibrations were at its worse as the gauge cluster was vibrating. I have just had a look at another 06 xb12x and tried the sane thing. The gauge cluster vibrated no where nearly as much. What could be wrong with the original bike I looked at? | ||
| Uly_man |
"What could be wrong with the original bike I looked at?". Nothing at all. Ulys suffer with PMT sometimes? | ||
| Kip |
I have a 2006 for sale it's in the classified section. I will bump it towards the top. Good luck either way. | ||
| Towpro |
does someone here have a picture of the front engine mount when it is bad? This can cause excessive vibration. | ||
| Advoutlander |
How much would it cost to replace an engine mount? I found a 2008 xb12x 14000 miles. No luggage for 6k. Is it worth it? | ||
| Glenn |
Here is the link with pictures showing a bad isolator, the front engine mount, you asked about Towpro: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/369491.html | ||
| Arry |
There were significant upgrades in '08, increased steering angle (better tight turns-off road), increased fork tube size (less flex), upgraded crank and oiling system (there had been problems). the '08 you're looking at has much lower miles and no damage? I have an '07 and its been great, but if I'd known about the upgrades on th '08 I might have looked a little longer. |
