| Author | Message | ||
     Xb12mel |
@ Brother... Thanks That's what happens when you have a particularly violent low speed drop, and you don't fully understand how to use an EZout properly! Yup, bolt snapped right off, i've tried unsuccessfully several times to make the repair myself. Unfortunately, I'm "Machine Shop Challenged" | ||
| Bads1 |
Xxxue, 87 gixxer does more then that.lol And your thoughts of what a sportbike is.... well quite off.lol | ||
| 1eyert |
Xxxue, If all you want is stoplight to stoplight then the crotch rocket is great for you, for me it was uncomfortable to ride for long. To high strung with a definite "powerband" issue. On my XB I can do 500+ mile days and have power from idle to redline. Oh, and do try to keep up with me in the corners, the tighter the better..... | ||
| Xxxue |
The sad truth is that the 2010 buell couldn't keep up with a 25yr. old gsxr750 sportbike. The xb just runs out of power to quickly. Once the buell xb hits around 110mph is almost out of steam & slowly hits 125 mph max speed. While the 25yr old gsxr750 pulls strongly all the way up to around 145mph and the old gsxr750 handles exceptionally well for a 25yr old sport bike. | ||
| Xxxue |
heres another sorry example a guy on an xb trying to catch a sv650 on a track day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NglEDNDouS8 | ||
| Sifo |
If you had an XB12 that topped out at 125, there was something wrong with it. Sorry you got a bad one. I'm not saying that over 100 mph is their strong suit, but 125? Hows that ZX14r on the track?  | ||
| Xxxue |
Mine ran fine, 125mph was all it was good for, may be my weight 220lbs. this is a lot, compared to some slim riders that are only 150-160lbs. Most searchs by other buell owners that you can believe are getting slightly over 130mph indicated. As for the zx14r it isn't even broken in yet and Kaw, recommends not taking it over 4k rpm for the first 1000 miles, which is only 70 mph in 6 gear. Its not a track bike. I main problem I had with the buell when I got on my 07 gsxr1000 which dynoed at 164 hp and geared 1 tooth lower up front, when you gassed it, the bike would almost rip your hands away from the grips at only 7k rpm and when it started making peak hp, it accellerated like a rocket all the way to redline. Now get back on the buell and its like switching from a shelby cobra to an escort. | ||
| Swamp2 |
How much time does anybody here spend riding over 120 mph? Really. To me, I'll take an excellent cornering bike with good ergonomics, uniqueness and honest distinctive character and styling, simple maintenance, real world user friendly power and be happy to give up 30+ mph top speed. Any day. I demo'd an S1000RR. Impressive, yes. Pretty much complete overkill for real world riding (e.g. non-track days) - totally. It was fun for the 1/2 hr demo but I felt no true desire to own one. I was happy to get back on my XB. | ||
| Sifo |
XXXue, I'm 210 and have hit 135 indicated and it was still climbing. Personally, I have no need to go faster. The XB is a great ride for what I want. It's too bad you don't have the same appreciation for them. There's a reason I asked how your ZX14r is on the track. I know it's not a track bike. Neither is my XB. Evaluating it by comparing it other bikes on the track just fails to make sense IMO. If your XB really topped out at 125, then it probably was lacking at lower speeds too. Something wasn't right. How much time does anybody here spend riding over 120 mph? Really. Exactly! I have no need for a bike that will have me getting tickets anyplace I can drive before I hit 3rd gear. That's just my opinion. The XB has plenty of good points that make up for the lack of stupid fast speeds. If someone doesn't get it, they just don't get it. | ||
| Xxxue |
The difference is all thru out the power band on other sport bikes that, never really run out of power, On the xb it only makes some brief decent torque and hp in 1st and 2nd. gear from 4k-6k rpm, then you hit 3rd. gear and up all the accelleration is just linear. Even an old yamaha fz600 I had in the late 80's would easily top out at 135 mph in only a 1/2 mile. (Message edited by xxxue on September 27, 2012) | ||
| 1eyert |
Something was wrong with your xb xxxue, my 2000 S3 was good for over 140 in a straight line, the xb I haven't topped out yet but have been over 130, it's much happier in corners and sweepers. Also, it looks awesome, different from everything else, esp. the crotch clones. It sounds awesome too, turns heads everywhere I ride it, the tuber did to. I once had a motorcycle cop pull up next to me at a light just to say what a good looking bike it was. Cant say that about ANY jap bike I have owned. | ||
| Bads1 |
Xxxue, I've read your posts regarding other bikes like the Ducati 1198. Now I'm seeing video's of a SV 650 against a XB. Lots of variables and quite frankly does quite well and better then the SV in many ways.You are showing rider comparison not a accurate test. Now to you guys that say your bikes will do over 135??? Bull cocky....the bike has been tested and tested.135 is all the XB has but it does it quite good. Xxxue, According to your profile you were born in 77. If that is true and you owned a late 80's FZ.Then that means you were 13 years old in 1989???lol I get a kick out this guy.lol Has xero facts straight. | ||
| Xxxue |
You can't believe the BS top speeds ppl list all over the internet, most established magazines tests reported the speed to be estimated or when observed only slightly over 130 mph. While the buell might be geared to pull higher speeds in top gear, it will never reach redline in top gear. Most sportster engines will actually go faster in 4 gear than 5th. gear You can believe what ever you wish, its your fantasy, all I can say is that my 2010 xb12r was only good for about 125 mph maybe a little more but not much and it was equipped with a jardine Ti slip on and a buell race ecm. | ||
| Xxxue |
heres a top speed record run with a lite weight girl on a xb9r and a more realistic actual high speed run on a xb12 on youtube. You can easily see that the xb12 stops climbing in speed once it hit around a 120 mph. This is typical of most xb's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hBWdwsSVAc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQXsjC8AwAs | ||
| M1combat |
It's OK xxx... You're just more of a Chevelle guy than a Corvette or Cobra guy. It's all good. I've rode all kinds of bikes with right about or more than 150HP (even Harleys...) and I don't like most of them. If all you're looking for is straight line acceleration then you're right... The Buell isn't for you. If you're more of a connoisseur though... You should do fine with an XB. It has it's strengths and weaknesses for sure. The strengths don't tend to show up anywhere near street lights. | ||
| M1combat |
Oh... and that first vid you posted is a blast... not an XB9. And... the second one was a lightning. They do tend to top out a bit early because of the complete lack of aerodynamic efficiency. The Firebolt will do an honest 138-140. "You can't believe the BS top speeds ppl list all over the internet" Yup. Oh btw... We kinda like facts around here. Can you post articles where magazines have said that they could only get a measured "just over 130"? Were these test for lightnings or firebolts? (Message edited by M1Combat on September 28, 2012) (Message edited by M1Combat on September 28, 2012) | ||
| M1combat |
Oh yeah... one more little thing... With regards to getting 90 or so HP out of "1200cc" as you so eloquently yet uneducatedly pointed out (well... fine... it wasn't even eloquent really but I'm a nice guy so I'll give it to you)... Try learning about a little thing called "swept volume". My point will only really make sense if you can wrap your mind about the fact that an engine is an air pump. From here on out please do the intelligent world a favor and try comparing engines and their relative performance based on swept volume instead of cubes. You'll sound much less like a brain washed fan boy. You're welcome  . | ||
| Treefrog |
Horsepower, top speed, peak torque. Doesn't really mean much in the real world if you are staying within the legal speed limits. I don't need much of any of them for where I ride. What I will say is that it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. How much to sell my XT? Don't see it happening. Ever. | ||
| Syonyk |
What I will say is that it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. Totally agree. And this is likely why my fiancee & I both prefer the Blast in town. My 1125R is in every way a "better" motorcycle than the Blast on paper, and I still prefer to take the Blast around, as it's just stupid fun. You can roll out of a corner, pin the throttle wide open, accelerate hard through a few gears, and be doing... oh, 75 or 80. Do that on the 1125R, and you're doing 120-140. The XB9 is in the middle. But I really don't care about top speed & power that much anymore. | ||
| Xxxue |
Take your xb12r out for a ride with a friend who has a any 1000 sport bike cbr, gsxr,zx10,r1 and try to do some spirited riding from 40-90mph and you will see how the xb12r is left behind in the dust. Do this in a safe track racing area designated area that allows for large open areas with good banking in the turns with good high speed straights, not on public roads. I'm not talking about real tight twisty roads that only allow you to drive at 15 -35 mph max speed, that even a scooter or a cbr 250cc is all you need. Example the hills around the ROCK STORE in the hills around LA, this is a real joke compared to the high speed winding mountains roads on the east coast in NY, PA,VA etc. http://www.autoevolution.com/news-image/rookie-fem ale-rider-breaks-motorcycle-speed-record-24076-1.h tml Heres an actual link to a BUB speed record for the xb12r and this was done with a prepped bike and a lite weight female rider, 141 max and 133mph return run on a dried lake. Now watch this you tube high speed run between a zx10 and a zx14r, you can see the speedo reading as the bike rockets to 189 mph and then the zx14r finally passes it over 190 mph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6fyDrm0A7c Compare the rapid acceleration all the way to 189 mph VS. the moderate acceleration of the xb12 only to around a 120mph and then it peters out. (Message edited by xxxue on September 28, 2012) (Message edited by xxxue on September 28, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
Do this in a safe track racing area designated area that allows for large open areas with good banking in the turns with good high speed straights, not on public roads. And this is why what you are talking about just isn't important to many of us. It's a shame you don't get it. You may never get it. Some of us do. | ||
| Syonyk |
If you're saying that a bike designed for the track is better on a track than a bike designed for the road, I don't think you're going to get a single bit of argument from anyone. I'm not talking about real tight twisty roads that only allow you to drive at 15 -35 mph max speed, that even a scooter or a cbr 250cc is all you need. Well, damn. I guess my roads are defective then. Because that's a lot of the crap I get to deal with. And, yes, the Blast is more than enough motorcycle for most of the roads I ride. Heres an actual link to a BUB speed record for the xb12r and this was done with a prepped bike and a lite weight female rider, 141 max and 133mph return run on a dried lake. Now watch this you tube high speed run between a zx10 and a zx14r, you can see the speedo reading as the bike rockets to 189 mph and then the zx14r finally passes it over 190 mph. What's the difference between 130mph and 190mph? None. You're most likely dead if you crash on public roads at that speed, and if you get caught doing it, you're going to jail either way. I regularly do 130-150mph, but I do it in a Cessna, in the air. Not on a motorcycle on public roads. | ||
| Xxxue |
Most of us have done 540-600 mph in jets, so speed is relative to your surroundings. No one should ever advise speeding on public roads, simple disclaimer. I've had old impalas up to a 120 mph all day so its really nothing and it depends on the vehicle and conditions. Compared to the other sportbikes the xb12r just runs out of power to quickly. The sportster engine is good for use in a cruiser or chopper, but thats about it. Why do you think buell went with the 1125, it was to make up for all the short comings of the xb12 engine. (Message edited by xxxue on September 28, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
Small minds.  | ||
| Glitch |
One must have the fastest most quick especially if they have a small ... | ||
| Xxxue |
Bottom line is when you ride an inferior bike kike the xb12r, its hard to admit it. I got rid of mine and I am done with buell for good, time to move on. (Message edited by xxxue on September 28, 2012) | ||
| M1combat |
Then move on... You're missing the point though. You think we're missing your point but you're mistaken. We see your point. We understand that the engines in the IL4 bikes are better for what you're doing. They are. They make the bike go more than 140. Awesome. Have a blast. Now... Go watch Danny in race 1 at Homestead. Do you understand what went on there? The buell passed the other bike anywhere it wanted to aside from a straight line. On the brakes, mid-turn, changing lines, coming out, around the outside... The ONLY place the IL4 could pass was on the straight. Two things... Any ••••••••• can twist a throttle. Power is the easy part. If the Japanese manufacturers knew how to make their bikes handle as well as a Buell they would. The XB chassis handles pretty much as well as the 1125 for the record. As a matter of fact it was voted the best handling bike ever made a couple years after it was released. It even beat out an Aprilia RS 250, a 1098S (I think), a 916 and a bunch more. Point being... If you want to go "fast" and accelerate then go get another bike. No one is arguing aside from you. We get it. But that's not why we like Buells. We like them because they handle better than a fox going after a rabbit. If you can't ride well enough to bring that out of the bike then by all means go get something that you can experience just by twisting a throttle. That's easy. Have fun. | ||
| Sifo |
I wonder if Xxxue understand how bad of a car a F1 race car would be on the road. They are great on a race track, but would be insanely bad for everyday driving. I find it ironic that he says to experience just how bad the XB is you have to take it to a race track.
I find that riding it where and how I ride demonstrates just how good it is. Of course when I asked how his bike is on the track, he answered, "it's not a track bike". Clearly he has some understanding of this, so he has identified himself as nothing but a troll. I wonder what percentage of the riding public have the skills to even ride something like an R1 to it's limits. Think it's over 1%? Simply put, on a track you will learn more and progress faster with equipment that is matched to your skill level. Most people riding an R1, or similar bike will be holding back or crashing all the time. | ||
| 1eyert |
Xxxue, If it is time to move on then why are you still posting here and complaining about Buell when you no longer own one? Noone wants to listen to your opinion since you are not a true believer anymore, if you ever were in the first place. All you seem to want is stoplight to stoplight performance and you can get that from many other bikes. Just saying, I don't know why you are still here but maybe you want to be convinced you were wrong to sell your Buell. | ||
| Syonyk |
I wonder what percentage of the riding public have the skills to even ride something like an R1 to it's limits. I'd guess on the order of dozens, globally. Most of the AMA Superbike riders & other high level riders could probably get it close. Me? I can't even ride a Blast to its limits. |
