| Author | Message | ||
     Johncr250 |
This is the same dealer that i purchased my XB12R from last week from on Ebay. I got mine for $8995 out the door, not including a ton of free stuff. If anyone wants a great deal on a New XB check out Vreeland HD. They are good people! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453666811&categor y=49984 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
as I said before and now its proof they aren't trying to be a good buell dealership. they are unloading them because they don't want to deal with them. either that or they are the dumbest business people I have ever seen on the planet.... Glory to the guy that gets the good deal. but lets not sit a bitch about bad dealers because they will always give "good" deals to get rid of a bike that more than likely is a POS buell instaed a very superior harley | ||
| Fullpower |
bid is at $8450 now. dont understand the business theory here. "dumping?" | ||
| Lothodon |
what really gets me is that this POS dealer is getting 12's to sell, when my local dealer can't get one for me to even LOOK AT. they did get a red 12r for a demo bike, but no sign of a black 12r for me to admire even. | ||
| Johncr250 |
When i was looking at XB12`s in November one local dealership wanted $12,300 plus tax. Buell should set rules regarding selling prices for their dealers. That way you don`t get ripped off and the dealers make a reasonable profit to keep their lights on too. | ||
| Court |
>>>Buell should set rules regarding selling prices for their dealers. Huh? | ||
| Dynarider |
They already set a msrp but due to each dealer being independantly owned & greed being what it is, each dealer is free to charge what they want. The smart consumer will tell those no good gouging prick dealers to screw off & take their business elsewhere. I would much rather see Buell/HD set rules in place governing the warranty & the repairs on bikes. Quit the practice of leaving it up to the dealership to decide what they are going to cover & what they wont. Hear way too many horror stories of 1 dealer who will cover the broken belts or dead batteries & another dealer who just wants to bend the customer over the counter & stick it in his rear. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
they do set that price MSRP after that its all up in the air....but I will say this $12,300 plust tax.....bwahahahahaha yep you were definately in a harley store obviously with a crap load of mark up... | ||
| Nevco1 |
>>>Buell should set rules regarding selling prices for their dealers. Sorry folks, but that is illegal in America. | ||
| Nevco1 |
MSRP = Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. It is nothing more than a number to which discounts and program elements are applied to. The only thing that governs what a product can be sold for is the minimum mark-up laws/parameters that exist(ed) in some States. Other than that a dealer is free to sell the products he/she bought (and paid for) at any price he/she chooses to and the manufacturer can do nothing about it. Yeah, if you're the low price dealer that upsets the manufacturers dealer network, the quantity of widgets you can buy from the manufacturer may be limited next year. However, all one need do is prove the manufacturer is allocating product based on a discriminatory basis and you can sue the manufacturer for putting you out of business. Trust me, given the anti-trust laws of the US of A, proving it isn't hard and the dealer will win big time. Just don't ask me how I know. That was part of the settlement agreement. LOL Incidentally, it sure is nice of the Fed to protect us from domestic economic issues but they have done nothing other than establish and not enforce the laws the protect us from international economic issues. I believe that would be called the "Balance of Trade." What a friggin' joke that is. | ||
| Dynarider |
Bill, just had a 6 hr conference today where our companies business planners went over our 5 year goals. Now I realize that the more profit we generate the more $$$ I get in my pocket thru my revenue sharing at the end of the year, but it still kinda pissed me off when I found out that they are trying to outsource more & more of the components we presently use from Chinese sources. They even stated that they are going further inland in China because right now the manufacturers we utilize are located right on the water & they cost up to double of what we could end up paying for going inland. Global economies are a fact of life now days, but it still pisses me off that we are moving product we presently buy from a usa manufacturer to a foreign one, even tho I will benefit financially from it. | ||
| Kaese |
I have seen some Mercedes Benz dealers really rip the customer by charging over MSRP to get the top $$ for their most desirable and rare new product. There may be laws to limit the amount over the MSRP, but then the Dealer buddies get together and sell each other a new unit for the MSRP + the legal markup. Then the unit becomes used (6 miles) and then they can sell it for whatever they want (usually to the highest bidder). Enterprising dealers we have out there, huh? edited by kaese on January 14, 2004 | ||
| Nevco1 |
Kaese...Nothing new there. Is a simple product of supply and demand. Heck, HD dealers have been doing that for years with everything except their Buells. High demand and low supply equal an obnoxiously high street price. Street price is what the product sells for at the retail level and can be above or below the MSRP. Just depends on local market conditions. Again no laws on what a retailer can sell a product for except for the occasional minimum mark-up laws which I think are pretty much extinct by now. Incidentally, the mark-up was based on the retailers cost, not MSRP. If I remember correctly, Wisconsin had a 6% minimum mark-up law back in the 1960's. Will check around to see if it is still in effect. In reference to the dealer game you mentioned, I did not experience that when I was an auto electronics and snake oil vendor to the car dealers in LA and Orange County, CA. They can sell at whatever price they can get and have a million and one ways to screw you. Heck, in 1977, I bought a TR-7 that had a $2,000 limited supply fee (another type of mark-up) right on the window sticker. Dealers explanation was the cars sold within a week of arrival and he could get it. I laughed and walked, cash in hand, after failing to get it off. The car was gone the next morning. Needless to say I was right there when the next shipment arrived. Any doubters...That was Ray Fladeboe Lincoln Mercury BMC in the Irvine Auto Center. Check around and you can get all sorts of nasty stuff on them. LOL In conclusion, auto and bike dealers shop each other just like the Home Center folks do. The difference is the Home Centers and discounters (Wally Mart, etc) are checking to see how low they have to go, whereas, the auto and bike dealers are looking to see how high they can go. Is a pretty neat scam. Go to a typical trade convention or association meeting and street pricing is not allowed to be discussed. That would be termed price fixing and is very illegal in this country. The inverse is a manufacturers dealer show the subject of controlling the street price can be skirted with success stories about or from the dealers as well as special program incentives. It is all about making money and having fun doing it. Nothing wrong about any of it in a free market society. You want it, you buy it. Feel you are getting the shaft, don't buy it. When enough folks like you don't buy, supply appears to be greater than demand and the price will come down or they will throw some neat buying incentives to hook you. Grin and bear it!!! Oh yeah, and don't forget to ferret out the Dave's and Bubba's in your local market. Those are the kind of folks you can work with and feel good about the transaction. They share your passion and will stick with you after your purchase. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Dyna...I feel your pain. Is great to know that your employer is planning to stay in business and is revenue sharing with you. The inverse is it sucks that your American Brothers may lose their jobs over your companies decision. Looks like the revenue sharing is a way of giving you a conditional raise and to buy your loyalty. By any chance is this a "Union Shop?" | ||
| Dynarider |
Nope, non-union. And Wisconsin still has the minimum markup law onn the books & it actually gets used once or twice a year. Usually some small mom & pop type outfit will accuse the bigger competitor of dumping..sorta like Walmart is doing now days with the TV's & dvd players they are bringing over from china. They are actually selling those units for less than they pay...they know it will bring the customers in the door & they will buy a lot more crap that they can mark up & nobody will be the wiser. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Dyna...Thanks for the union shop info. Was just wondering what the unions position was on that kind of strategy. Considering the current economic conditions, I wouldn't be comfortable with making any assumptions. FYI, Home Depot, Walmart and their competitors (which once were many and now are very few) have eliminated more American companies and jobs than they have provided. On top of that, depending on the department, they are making a 25% to 100% profit margin at their retail prices. Think you are getting a bargain? In the short term you are. Long term, think about all the folks that are/will become dependent on some form of social welfare programs. Translation: either our government goes (more) broke or our taxes go up to cover. Check out Wisconsin's "Displaced Worker" program if you doubt what I say. Is extended unemployment benefits plus tuition and partial living expense compensation (similar to the GI Bill) to train folks to transition into a new field. Is a good thing but I have observed a lot of folks locally milking the system. As it provides these benefits long enough for one to attain a two year associates degree. Ewwww...way off topic and too depressing to think about. I rest my case. | ||
| Mikej |
"Check out Wisconsin's "Displaced Worker" program if you doubt what I say. Is extended unemployment benefits plus tuition and partial living expense compensation (similar to the GI Bill) to train folks to transition into a new field. Is a good thing but I have observed a lot of folks locally milking the system. As it provides these benefits long enough for one to attain a two year associates degree. " Hmmmm. | ||
| Davefl |
I here that a lot about Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and the other, but to be fair they are just providing what the consumer wants. If the customer did not buy it they would not sell it. So the problem lays with the consumer not the retailer. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Davefl...You could say that. However, like many industries that are sourcing offshore, I place the blame on our Governments failure to enforce the international balance of trade and lack of import taxes. Our Government has done a number on us via their outdated domestic Anti-Trust Laws but have done little or nothing on the International Front. For example, I had to pay dearly first to get raw materials into China so they could manufacture something for me and second I got taxed again to get the finished product out of China. Didn't have to pay a thing to receive it in the US. That was when I was US director of sales and marketing for a Chinese manufacturer that made small appliances and electric tools for the US manufacturers (read: marketing companies). On the humorous side, to meet the delivery deadline on the initial production run for one new product, I had to pay a British Firm to smuggle the raw material into China from Hong Kong as it took six weeks for the initial paperwork to be cleared by the Chinese Government. Concerning my credibility in reference to the hardlines retailers, distributors and co-ops, I have been negotiating directly with them for over 30 years on behalf of both US and Chinese manufacturers. My positions ranged from product manager to national sales manager to VP sales and marketing and was a general partner in three of the firms. In the end, I headed up the US operations for a Taiwanese manufacturer and later a Hong Kong firm with manufacturing facilities in the New Territory. Quite simply, with all the US manufacturers consolidating and going away, it was better to work for the Chinese as distasteful as that was. Trust me, after all that, I am really glad to be retired. LOL | ||
| Johncr250 |
I`m pretty sure Reserve is $8900 for this bike if anyone is interested. Pretty good deal. |
