| Author | Message | ||
     Davegess |
Too bad about the start. Danny real got a bad one and Geoff was not a whole lot better. They both were running times that would have kept then with that battle for second. Wonder why they both had a little issue. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
"It was a wonderful race to watch." For me from the grandstand also Asbjorn. On your other comments, I agree; Geoff and even Danny back two positions were very consistent but it seemed they just could not horsepower up to the leaders. I saw Geoff run up to Hayden, in third, several times in the corners only to be turned away with Rogers H.P. in the longer straights especially the long front stretch. And Danny after passing Pegram continued to stretch his lead out but again could not move up on the leaders. All in all a great race and I think EBR can still do better on those lesser H.P., better handling tracks. Road America I believe will again be a good challenge for them and I'll be rooting them on strongly. One last thing; their pit area, with Hero's & Amsoil's backing, is outstanding. What a really nice, big, beautiful hauler. Fit right in with the mega money teams. Caught Geoff just outside jumping rope warming up just minutes before his warm up ride. Does any rider do that! All EBR are a class act for sure. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Dave, again I think, watching from the turn one grandstand, H.P. comes into play with a good start, especially with a real long drag race to turn one. Drag racing is a H.P./weight issue I do believe. | ||
| Jaimec |
Matt, just remember when Yamaha was in WSBK they were pretty competitive with Ducati and Aprilia with Melandri onboard. Moreso when Ben was with them, but that was an "eternity" ago in development time. | ||
| Jaimec |
Here's a good "laptime comparison" from Asphalt & Rubber: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/ama-wsbk-ti me-comparison-miller-motorsports-park/ | ||
| Amafan |
That actually was a qualifying lap comparison, Josh Hayes was faster in the race a 1:49.4, and that was way faster then the old AMA Superbike race lap record of 1:49.8 at Miller. | ||
| Jaimec |
The article does explain the methodology they used and why. | ||
| Davegess |
Bob, I think Danny just missed it, he was going backwards in the first few feet, Geoff not quite as bad. RA will be a real challenge, after Daytona no tracks takes more HP than RA. The hill up to the finish line is there for one reason. The Ferrari guys who built the place wanted to make sure none those light weight 2 liter cars would embarrass them. Add in the two other very long top speed bits, from 4 to 5 and then down to 12 and you need big power to win here. | ||
| Bads1 |
Dave it also very hard on tires at RA. If the factory inlines pull away early then the EBR's may have a hard time catching them. But they still have the infield that they can catch them. Being better on the tires is great for the EBR. It will be a huge challenge for sure. I thought Miller with its long almost mile straigh the EBR would just get whooped on but heck not by a whole bunch. I'll be at RA looking forward to it. Sure would though like to see Honda come back and Ducati for the matter. | ||
| Ulyranger |
This is very cool stuff, 4th & 6th is admirable. Have even got the wife watching the recorded races. Even the DSB race was cool, though I wanted Disalvo on the Triumph. | ||
| Blake |
Matt, The more the better. It's surprising no one is fielding the Aprilia or Ducati. | ||
| Davegess |
It might rain, advantage Buell! | ||
| Jaimec |
As Rossi recently said: "When you pray for rain, you know you're in the sh*t." | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
i truly fail to see how a slick wet track is going to be a good thing for anyone. | ||
| Bads1 |
i truly fail to see how a slick wet track is going to be a good thing for anyone. Actually Dave is right. RA is very fast track where the inlines do prevail.The rain slows them down some. It actually helps the lower HP EBR. Myself I'm hoping for good weather cause I hate standing the getting a wet ass. | ||
| Davegess |
Rossi may want want rain cause his bike sucks but in this case a wet track gives an advantage to bikes with more manageable power and robs the higher HP 4s of some of that HP. they can't get it all down to the track. The EBR bikes also seem to be easier to ride in the wet. RA is an absolute HP track and I don't expect great results if the track is dry. Top five would be good. | ||
| Firstbuell |
me? I'm flat thrilled with the status which E.B. Racing has carved out for itself inside the AMA Pro paddock current situation is meeting my hopes & exceeding my expectations..... (Message edited by firstbuell on May 30, 2012) | ||
| Court |
The EBR works GREAT in water. Headed to Milwaukee . . .work to do. | ||
| Whistler |
As of Wednesday afternoon from weather.com - 20% chance of rain Friday - 10% Saturday and Sunday. | ||
| Davegess |
NWS says 20% Friday 30% Saturday. | ||
| Jaimec |
In Rossi's case, he and Nicky complain of too much top end horsepower, not enough down low. Using the rain map evens it out. They can't run the rain map in dry weather because they'd get beaten worse than they are now... but when it is raining, it levels the playing field because ALL of the manufacturers are softening their powerbands to deal with the rain. In Buell's case, they already have the manageable power, but they lack the top end horsepower. In the rain, the other manufacturers also (like in MotoGP) have to soften their powerband as well... bringing them more in line with where Danny and Geoff are now (even without the fancy/schmancy electronics). | ||
| Gregtonn |
In racing, as on the street, its all about usable power "under the curve". On more open tracks with longer straights the "curve" is higher which favors higher but steeper HP curves. Sounds like Ducati could do better with less HP but more of it "under the curve". On tighter more technical tracks, and in the rain, a broader but lower curve is an advantage. G | ||
| Xb1125r |
Ducati is not having issues in WSBK | ||
| Gregtonn |
"Ducati is not having issues in WSBK" True. However, the Ducati WSBK engine is a twin. The Ducati MotoGP bike uses a four cylinder engine in an effort to get more power, which they did. Now they need to figure out how to control it. G | ||
| Davegess |
The Ducati issue in MotoGP is more than controlling the HP. Seemingly the chassis has really poor front end feel that gets better when traction is poor and gets really bad when the tire starts to go off. Hard to ride at the limit if you can't feel what the front tire is doing. | ||
| Trojan |
Ducati is not having issues in WSBK The Ducati WSBK is ancient technology where racing is concerned, and they have had years to perfect it to the point where they are at now. Compare that to the problems being faced by teams using the new Ducati Panigale in BSB Superbike at the moment (the only Superbike series where this bike is being raced at the moment). The bike lacks top speed and acceleration and have been returned to Italy to try and fix the problems before the next BSB round. The Ducati MotoGP bike is basically a 90% new bike this year and it will take a long time toget it dialled in and working properly. They are effectively trying to develop a bike on track during the season, unlike the Jap factories who spend many months and many thousands of test miles developing their bikes before they see the light of day in competition. The 'new' Yamaha and Honda GP bikes this year are just evolutions of last years chassis so they hit the ground fully developed and running whereas Ducati started once again from scratch. You have to admire their guts, tenacity and comittment (and spending power) even if the results aren't quite there yet  | ||
| Anonymous |
AMA thread here guys. There are other threads specifically for your topics. This is a monumental weekend for EBR. They are showing so much promise now and I'm guessing they would really like to show it off for their home crowd. Everyone that can should be at Road America this weekend to show your support. | ||
| Trojan |
Everyone that can should be at Road America this weekend to show your support 'Send me a ticket for an aeroplane, ain't got time to take a fast train......' I'd love to, but there is a rather large stretch of water in the way and not enough time  Good luck to all the EBR team and riders though | ||
| Jaimec |
Even without the large stretch of water, I can't make it. I'll be watching it as soon as I can on TV though. | ||
| Crusty |
Ya; me too! |
