| Author | Message | ||
     Jraice |
If I am removing my pump to change the filters, what are the recommended parts I replace, and what tools actually are or are not necessary for the job? Also any advice on how to jack the bike up? I have a cheap auto jack I used once with the rear stand to get the forks but I am thinking I'll need a wheel chock to stabilize the front wheel this time. Thinking about having Harley work on it but I'd rather learn a bit, save some money and likely finish it sooner. | ||
| Greg_e |
You want an overhead beam and a couple ratchet straps. Attach the straps to the passenger pegs and lift nice and high. Then pull the axle out of the swing arm and ratchet the rear wheel up to the fender to get nice clearance. Just watch out for the oil lines to make sure you don't stress them too much. | ||
| Jraice |
And for the front wheel? | ||
| Roycet4 |
look here http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/370305.html?1214580037 or I followed the thread below..pretty easy to work on.. draining the gas was the longest part of the entire job. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/473271.html?1246498127 | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
You can pry out the pump with screw drivers - but I don't recommend it as you would mar the frame (seems very soft). Get the recommended tool or make one. Replace the seal rings and be very careful when you install the pump. Use plenty of engine oil to lube the seal rings. Note that the seal rings are very loose. You want to make sure that the seal rings are inserted square in the hole. The seal rings have to be perfectly aligned - to do that you use all 4 bolts to SLOWLY push it in EVENLY to make sure that the seal rings are not pinched. If you feel any resistance when tightening the bolts, there is a good chance that the seal rings are being pinched. Good Luck | ||
| Greg_e |
Front wheel stays on the ground, but if you have a front wheel chock thing, that would help. This is how I lifted my cycle when I pulled the whole motor out, so there were a few extra things that I unhooked like oil lines that you may or may not need to do and may not know until you get part way through the procedure. That said I believe there was plenty of room to pull the pump when the swingarm was disconnected and swung out of the way. If not then you might need to pull the bolt on the shock which would do the rest of the job of dropping the swingarm. Might not be the correct procedure, but it is how I would approach it. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Front and rear stands and auto jack for the engine. Stable enough for me. Sitting on the back deck right now just like that for two months waiting for parts. | ||
| Jraice |
Thanks guys, those links were very helpful. American Sport Bike has the inline filter but Al said the screen filter would require some serious searching. Is this something that can be cleaned out and re-used? Anyone know a good way to go about getting one? | ||
| Jraice |
So far the plan is new inline filter (both if someone can help me find the screen style one) and to check for chaffed wires. Any reason to look into replacing the fuel sensor? I have heard they can go bad but I haven't had any problems with false lights. | ||
| Jraice |
American Sport Bike doesn't appear to have the drain plug, is it absolutely mandatory to replace it? | ||
| Teeps |
This: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VPN-521-1/ is supposed to be the same fuel pump that Buell uses. I have not vetted this part, beyond some news group reading. http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/General-Moto rcycle-Chat/Parts-cross-reference-thread IMO the internal filter is utmost important, as it protects the fuel pump from contamination... damage. | ||
| Jraice |
$99 for a filter? Shouldn't it just be a screen? The 07 and below unit was under $10 on American Sport Bike IIRC. | ||
| Blackm2 |
If you have the funds, I would spring for the whole pump and be done with it vs. chasing down the various parts. My wifes bike has been doing a lot of sitting and it is an '09 as well. We went for a ride one evening and it just died. Fried 2 fuel pump fuses. I have a front wheel chock which I used 2 tie downs from the handlebars to the chock. If you have a scissor jack available(from your car) that will make a nice jack underneath the furthest point back on your Drummer, like near the back plate(this is from Kevins mouth). Put something soft between the jack and the muffler. I didn't need to remove the rear axle or any oil lines, just loosen the belt in order to be able to have enough room for the swingarm to swing out of the way when you jack it up. All in all a very easy job, just take your time. I drained as much fuel the old fashion way, siphoning, then there was not as much to drain even though there was still a good gallon in there. Have a big funnel and your gas can ready! If you have questions or need pics I have them. | ||
| Jraice |
If it comes to that I could afford the pump but at over $300 I am not just going to replace without tinkering a little. Why not just start by draining out the fuel drain hole? Going to have to use it either way. And where exactly did this mystery gas come from, the pumps hole itself? Sounds like I might need a second set of hands when I pull her out. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
You did cross-reference the pump? I believe it's a Ford part, it's on here somewhere. Might be cheaper. | ||
| Blackm2 |
Yea you can do it out of the drain hole,just have a large enough funnel that you can fit under the hole and a gas can large enough to fit the remaining fuel in. It potentially can get messy though. Have rags ready. Second set of hands isn't necessary. Something about the '09 was different regarding it being the Ford fuel pump, I believe it was the connector. | ||
| Teeps |
Jraice Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 $99 for a filter? That is a kit price, everything in the photo. Note: only the pump motor and screen would be used, in our case. | ||
| Jraice |
Just removed my pump, no chaffing (09 wiring is good) and I read somewhere the Walbro won't work on 08-09 bikes. I also was really unhappy to see that blowing through my inline filter showed no resistance... Really nervous that I am going to put it back together with nothing but a new inline filter and have the same problem... I did notice something interesting, it still makes the weakened priming sound I was hearing without the pump at all, making me wonder what the sound is that I thought was priming? Guess that sounds always there and it was just priming normally sometimes (covers up mystery sound) or not priming and then I heard the mystery sound. Makes me wonder if it was something as simple as the connector between the pump and bike not being secured well, thought I read about someone that fixed a problem by just applying dielectric to that. | ||
| Blackm2 |
I had no chafing in my wires either. | ||
| Jraice |
So you replaced it with the Buell OEM unit? Was yours still making a priming sound? I am wondering if somehow the connection from pump to bike (4 pin) was pad from rain riding. Also fun fact, only thing I had to remove was the rear wheel fender because it gave the rear brake line more slack but my swing-arm physically bottomed out (an oil line strap underneath hit the exhaust) before any oil lines were an issue or before the belt got tighter at all. It didn't come straight out but with a 180 degree rotation it could be removed. | ||
| Greg_e |
Thanks, I'll try to remember that when it is time to service my pump. I did buy a used one that I should probably rebuild so that it is a quick job to swap them. | ||
| Blackm2 |
It would prime briefly, kind of subdued compared to the way it normally would, then it would blow the fuel pump fuse. Yes, replaced it with the OEM from American Sport Bike. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
btw, what do the spark plugs look like? | ||
| Ducxl |
The pickup screen was easy.through my local dealer.i replaced the hoses and both pickup+inline filters and repaired the Packard connector  | ||
| Jraice |
I'll check plugs before I do anything drastic (like buy a new pump). Have some Iridium replacements on the way with all my other parts. Local Buell dealer? I could look into it but Al at American Sport Bike made it sound like the 08-09 pickup screen was nearly impossible to source. Mine doesn't look all that bad, same color as the one on the pic. | ||
| Jraice |
Anybody know where I can find information on the fuel tank vent valve problems/repairs? I have seen things but recent searches aren't coming up with anything, just thought it'd be another thing to check off the possible problem list. Checked K&N air filter, clean (can see light through it). | ||
| Greg_e |
If you think it might be the relief valve, the easiest way to trouble shoot that would be to leave the cap loose. or run the cycle until it quits, then open the cap and see if it primes normally. | ||
| Jraice |
Huh? Leave it loose (open) then open it? Bike primes normally almost constantly now, when it left me stranded it wasn't priming normally but I also noticed a priming sound with the fuel pump taken entirely out, which sounds like the "abnormal priming" I was hearing before. Without the pump, what else in the tank area is making noise when the kill switch is flipped on? Really unlikely but I am starting to wonder if it could just be a bad connection on the external 4 prong connector... I have some dielectric grease and terminal cleaner but don't know if I should just replace the inline filter and install everything or spring for a new pump entirely (I'd like to be able to just replace some parts but can't seem to locate an inexpensive rebuild kit, like the mustang unit). Low fuel lever sensor wouldn't cause problems like this, correct? Just would light up at improper times. | ||
| Greg_e |
It would seem that any strainer that fits the end of the pump should be fine. http://apeusa.com/html/kits.html Scroll down for ideas. | ||
| Jraice |
Thanks thats awesome, but still skeptical if its even worth it given I found no wire strafing or anything that would seem to be blocked off, making me think its the pump itself (although someone told me if it makes any noise or works at all its likely good). Removing the pump wasn't all that bad though so I guess it can't hurt to find a pick-up filter and reassemble everything, unless I get stranded again  . |
