| Author | Message | ||
     Xb1125r |
maybe Haslam does not want to embarrase himself. Haslam is no Biaggi or Checa. | ||
| Bads1 |
No your talkin out of something but I don't call it your hat. Pretty soon none of us will pay attention.... you'll go away. Sorry you just have no idea what your are talking about. | ||
| Trojan |
so if im talking thru my hat, then Stoner is also Wouldn't be the first time for him either  Stoner can't resist having a dig at Rossi at every opportunity, so I would treat what he says with a very large dose of salt. When he exceeds Valentinos world championship total then maybe, maybe he might have the authority to question his ability. Until then he remains the pretender to the throne. Getting older doesn't make a rider go slower. Maybe you should tell Biaggi or Checa that they are too old? What getting older does do in infuse a bit more common sense into a rider, so the prospect of getting hurt riding around for 6th place becomes a bigger issue than it would be for a young rider. The further down the order you are the less liklihood you will take big risks to make up one meaningless position. Rossi would still be fighting fo podiums with Lorenzo/Stoner/Pedrosa if he was still at Yamaha for sure, and if the Ducati was capable of fighting for podiums at the moment I'm sure he would take more risks. As for the 'Haslam is no Biaggi or Checa' comment. I give up  | ||
| Jaimec |
Just ignore him, Matt. It's like static on the radio... you tune it out. | ||
| Xb1125r |
you guys really need to stop leaving in the past. have you ever thought that mayb Rossi was so good becuase his competition should have been in WSBK in the first place and not in MOTO GP class. look at it this way, if Stoner and Lorenzo beat the guy that was 5 time champ on a constant base. it means they are way better and if they would have been alive in those years they would still kicked his butt. or you can also say that rossi is getign slow and he can't keep up with the younger guys. either way as much as I respect Rossi, he shoudl stop complaining about ducati and either step up his game or leave. the only true test for stoner would be to go to yamaha and win a title with them. then he would e the ultimate champ without a doubt. | ||
| Firstbuell |
blah, blah, blah - blah, blah....... | ||
| Crusty |
Please don't feed the troll | ||
| Bads1 |
Jaime, I hear ya.... the static won't bother me anymore. Matt..... everyone do the same. | ||
| Jaimec |
So back on topic: How STUPID is it of Ducati to have a computer override the rider's input and decide when to apply throttle and how much based on it's position on the track?? Are ALL of them like that? All I can say is "WTF??" If MotoGP is a "laboratory" to explore new technologies that will eventually trickle down to the street, what the heck problem for a street rider does this "solution" solve? You want to cut costs in MotoGP? Get rid of this technology! It is a waste of money, and takes away the rider's ability to control the bike. Did anyone see the AMA Superbike races at Infineon? Neither Danny Eslick or Geoff May looked like they missed having "Throttle by Wire" or traction control. They did just FINE without them! | ||
| Blake |
It's just one aspect of traction control, tailored to specific portions of the track. At some point in the future, it's not too outrageous to imagine that all the roads might be so characterized and when combined with local weather conditions provide updates to your onboard computer. When it comes to the future, you really gotta step back and imagine beyond convention. I can see it happening. | ||
| Jaimec |
Why not? It's not like we're all not being bombarded constantly with man-made electro-magnetic radiation everywhere we go... what's a little more? And could you imagine what happened to Nicky Hayden happening on a congested freeway during rush hour in the rain in any major city?? No thanks... I'd rather control my OWN motorcycle, not hand over control to Skynet. | ||
| Simond |
GPS controlled (weather linked) speed limits are bound to happen at some point in the future. .....my money is on Switzerland first! | ||
| Blake |
>>> No thanks... I'd rather control my OWN motorcycle, not hand over control to Skynet. Me too Jaime, but it might be nice to be able to send my smart vehicle to pick up pizza on its own. You've heard about the google cars, yes? Certainly there are uses for the GPS guided performance in real life. Satellites for instance could detect ice on a road surface. The failure for Nicky was not GPS, it was local track beacon confusion. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I'd rather control my OWN motorcycle, Does that also extend to on-board traction control and ABS systems? If one likes those features, why not make them more accurate by including road surface factor(s) (different parameters for different road surfaces and conditions) so that they perform even better? It's not so much controlling your bike as better informing the ECM for such functions. Like you said, I'd rather just have a simple throttle and brake, old school. But I sure can see the applicability to real world for many folks who appreciate such high tech features. I think that was the issue raised, how such technology might apply off the race track to normal vehicle operation on public roads. | ||
| Blake |
>>> How STUPID is it of Ducati to have a computer override the rider's input and decide when to apply throttle and how much based on it's position on the track?? You've just described what is known as "traction control" whereby a racer can pin the throttle exiting a turn with no worries, the computer controls the throttle. The track position parameter is just adding more fine-tuning to that function is all. When Josh Haye's said that he wasn't using traction control in seasons past, that wasn't to say that his ECM mapping wasn't being adjusted depending on track position communicated by GPS. | ||
| Jaimec |
At Infineon last week weekend, Danny and Geoff did just FINE without all that crap... | ||
| Blake |
They certainly did. Might be nice to see where'd they be if they had some help from a traction control system though, no? Even better, it would sure be nice to see how they'd do if Yosh and Graves didn't have it. | ||
| Jaimec |
If we're to believe Mr. Hayes, this is the first year he is running with traction control, and he's won the title two years in a row without it, so... good riders don't NEED that stuff. Why do we want to make it easier to put BAD riders on the road? Death toll isn't high enough yet? | ||
| Bads1 |
If we're to believe Mr. Hayes, this is the first year he is running with traction control, and he's won the title two years in a row without it, so... good riders don't NEED that stuff I'd like to see it all go away also but. Hayes admit's in so many words thats he didn't win last year convincingly. He more or less won from bonus points that he got for pole positions and such. The year before Young was just getting used to the bike....first year cutting teeth. Hayes worked out harder and lost weight and actually his leathers are 8 ilbs. less this year also. He decided to use the electronics because he knew he was going to benefit. Give it some time.... I wouldn't doubt seeing it on EBR bikes in due time. | ||
| Blake |
When Josh Haye's said that he wasn't using traction control in seasons past, that wasn't to say that his ECM mapping wasn't being adjusted depending on track position communicated by GPS. Traction control implies some sort of closed loop wheel spin limiter. That is not what GPS-informed engine mapping constitutes. Just repeating what I've heard reported by folks in the pits and in the know. | ||
| Trojan |
Are ALL of them like that? All I can say is "WTF??" Since they banned the GPS controlled engine control systems they all pretty much run systems that 'know' where they are based on trackside beacon locations, which not as accurate or reliable as contsant GPS updated systems. With trackside beacons there are only one or two beacons per track, originally put there for timing data collection for transducers. If the system decides to mix the beacons up and goes into 'Hayden' mode then you are in big trouble! They should ban all electronic systems that automatically update in race, including fuel metering and beacon based engine management. At the moment it is theoretically impossible for the bikes to run out of fuel simply because the engine will constantly lean itself off to make the available fuel last as long as the race does. This really just makes a mockery of the fuel limits and they should put this (and all the other electronic jiggery pokery) back into the riders hands. Then we would see a real advantage that CRT bikes have with the bigger fuel capacity they are allowed | ||
| Jaimec |
Amen! | ||
| Crusty |
+1 | ||
| Jaimec |
On the other hand, I could see the "low fuel lean out" process working on a street bike... lean out the bike to stretch out that last gallon or two so you can find a gas station before you have to start pushing... "Reserve" was great on those old carbureted bikes because there was no way you could miss that you were running low on fuel. Some of us don't always see that warning light (on FI bikes) until we've already traveled a couple dozen miles and we don't know how long it's been on. The old Buells used to have a odometer setting that showed you how many miles you traveled since the light came on, but more useful would be a counter letting you know how many miles you have LEFT before you're walking... | ||
| Svh |
Well apparently Stoner finally admitted to his retirement at seasons end today according to those that were at the press conference today and MotoGP and HRC twitter feeds. He has to be well enough off to never worry about money again and he is certainly healthy and should have plenty of family life ahead of him. A decision very few athletes make to go out at the top. | ||
| Jaimec |
It's gonna be an interesting "Silly Season." | ||
| Simond |
....no problem making way for Marquez then. | ||
| Trojan |
I had to laugh at Stoners press conference comments...Nobody understands me, the championship isn't what I want it to be, I don't get the credit I deserve...woe is me, blah blah blah, blah... Close the door on your way out mate It certainly makes the 'silly season' a lot more insteresting at the end of this year, thats for sure! Marquez vcan't step directly into the HRC team becaue of the rookie rule, but that wouldn't be hard for Honda to circumvent. Just put him in a one man 'satellite team' with Casey's side of the garage there to help him. I'm sure it would run Repsol/Caixa colours again and would be a factory team with factory bikes and personnel in all but name. The factory HRC team could even run with just Pedrosa for a year until Marquez 'qualifies' for a factory ride. Alternatively they sign Dovi, Bautista or Bradl on a one year deal until Marquez is available. | ||
| Jaimec |
Would Dovi really be stupid enough to sign with them again?? | ||
| 46champ |
Dovi would sign if he looses the Yamaha contest with Crutchlow. That is unless Spies gets himself canned then there is no need. |
