| Author | Message | ||
     Xb12mel |
So... I was having a discussion with a few of my European co-workers who are heavily into F1, when the discussion turned to the use of sensors for vibration, accelerometers, linear displacement sensors and the likes... Yes, I work with some real "Techno-bots" when they asked me (as a new fan of AMA Road Racing) what types of sensors do they put on Motorcycles? I never felt more out of sorts. Do Teams use sensors like this in either the pre-race testing or actually on the track during the race? Does anyone know? Is there a place to find out what amount of testing is regulated by the AMA? (a-la F1) or is it, just test as much as you can afford to? (a-la NASCAR) Are there sensors on the 1190? I know that there's no "Traction Control" but is there any other electronics on these bikes for the purpose of monitoring the health of the machine and logging that data for analysis? | ||
| Reepicheep |
They have a linear sensor for suspension travel, and they must be logging that (not just gathering the peak), otherwise they would have just put a cable tie on the fork. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
yes some teams do during the race. yes the 1190's have had various sensors on during race as well as practice. the easy ones are the suspension as you can see them most of the rest that you speak of would be hidden from easy sight. | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
Unless there has been a recent change, Data sensors OK are as long as they can not talk to a computer track side while underway. Also they can not be part of any active suspension control system that can be used during the race. Data down loads after a session use to be acceptable. Engine Traction Control may be a recent exception to this, but I not sure. Terry - www.jtsperformance.com | ||
| Xb12mel |
Wow that's pretty cool. I wonder if they share that sort of data with the public? | ||
| Court |
I posted, years ago, a photo of a Buell test mule that was fully "censored". EVERYTHING can be monitored from various temps, flex in forks and frame, to swing arm displacement and rate of displacement. In the "good old days" we used a video camera from the door of a moving mini van to collect some data. Now the data available is mind numbing. I have photos of some of the 1190RS test telemetry screen shots but can't post them. Suffice to say that all teams have access to lots of information. The big difference now is not the information or getting it, it's the technical sophistication to interpret, understand and respond. We truly live in amazing times. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
or having the budget to be able to deploy the needed equipment to gather said data. there are many of us that can utilize the data but just don't have the capital to invest in collecting it. | ||
| Trojan |
I know that in BSB last season the difference between a leading team and a 'mid pack' team using the same bike could be purely due to the quality of data technicians in the garage and their ability to analyse and programme information. In some cases there were more 'data technicans' than mechanics in certain garages. Gone are the days when an engine builder or other 'grease monkey' made the biggest difference to engine and chassis performance, and now it is all down to skills in collecting, reading, analysing and most importantly acting on data collected electronically from the myriad sensors on the bike. Accelerometers, decelerometers, bank angle sensors, brake temp sensors, tyre temp sensors + all the usual engine sensors such as traction control, anti wheelie, multiple rider adjustable fuel maps etc etc etc This year in BSB most of the electronics (TC, Anti Wheelie etc) have been banned and teams must use a spec Motec ECU. They still use suspension sensors plus GPS based data logging, but the electronic rider aids are all gone, so there must be more than a few data technicians looking for work in other paddocks around the world where their skills are still required! | ||
| Xb12mel |
So... If the difference between a top team and a mid team is access to the data, does anyone know what type of sensors EBR needs? What "if" somehow, a new fan of the sport and lover of all things Buell, just happened to work for an all-things-sensors manufacturer and wanted to help out? How would that enthusiast get in touch with someone who needed something to make some "Contributions" that may or may not make a difference? I'm specifically looking for a list of desired sensors. (If you understand what I mean and you're someway affiliated with the Hero/Amsoil Team, PM Me with instructions) I can't guarantee I can get you ALL the sensors you need, because I don't know what's required. But, there may be somethings that could be in the best interest of the Sales Department to ship out as "Samples" to a worthy Technician. (Hint-Hint) | ||
| Slaughter |
You need ALL engine parameters (from the ECU), ALL suspension (position, compression/rebound rate) Wheel speed, braking torque, GPS (for speed and accel/decel and line-around/through turns - and could couple with 3-axis accelerometers on both ends - helps with suspension) It'd be handy to have IR tire temperatures. Access to the data is more software and track-side data analysis. People who haven't done race data are going to struggle with interpreting and then communicating when the rider pulls up to hot pit with the engine idling for next changes - but if you have sensor and software that is user-friendly, it'd be worth an email. Just realize that they're on the road to Infineon this weekend. If you were to show up at their pits at Infineon, you'd have serious credibility. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Werd | ||
| Stirz007 |
....and the costs for sensors have really come down. For about $1000, you can monitor suspension travel, braking effort and more than you can shake a slide rule at.... | ||
| Xb12mel |
Well it's a little short notice for Infineon, but it looks like we do have all of these sensors! I'm checking on the software now. (Fingers crossed) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
interesting very interesting | ||
| Slaughter |
What HE^^ said. Interesting. | ||
| Slaughter |
There MUST be some follow-up on this! | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
I'm for it and can do it but it's A: not my call B: I don't have time away from work. | ||
| Rodrob |
We run a very sophisticated SOTP sensor setup. All data from suspension, engine, track, brakes, etc is collected by a central "brain" and is stored for later analysis. Our system is some what unique in that it does provide a lot of real time feedback into the operation on the bike, however not through the ECU so it's legal. It's a closed loop system with very tight hardware and software integration. The only drawback to this kind of setup is weight. It weighs approx 150 lbs. and requires regular fill ups of Monster or Red Bull energy drinks. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
LMAO Rob you kill me sometimes. and yes i would have to agree with that whole heartedly. | ||
| Stirz007 |
http://www.sandrozornio.com/2012-monza/2012-superb ike-monza-technical-details-sz-sbk-photos.html Lots of sensor eye-candy. |
