| Author | Message | ||
     Metalstorm |
Hey! I resemble that remark!  | ||
| Freyke |
It's not April 1st is it? kk//kef | ||
| Freyke |
We actually had a nice day here in Virginia Beach yesterday... got up to about 61Deg F... went for a nice little spin... Projected to be mid 50s today - no rain.... I'll take it!... | ||
| Brucelee |
If they can pull off the VROD deal, I like the idea of it being a diff Buell (in other words, keep the XBs and do a VROD based bike). They folks could choose. I love the current Twin motor but would like to ride a new VROD based one. Might end up with both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| M1combat |
That's where I'm at Brucelee. Anyone have any idea what is "reasonably easy" to obtain WRT power/torque with a V-Rod engine? | ||
| Blake |
You want to trade 50-60 mpg, no valve adjustments, no coolant system maintenance for a bike that might make 40 mpg, requires yearly valve adjustments, and periodic checking/winterization of the coolant? Be my guest, I'll be sticking with my air-cooled 100 rwhp '97 Buell Cyclone. And maybe in the future an XB9R for the track. Dyna, you are too funny. If air cooled motorcycles are so inferior, how is it that BMW and Ducati continue selling quite successfully their air-cooled machines? In fact the very latest Ducati model uses an air-cooled engine. Why? To keep the bike more compact and simple. If Buell wants to get into Superbike racing... yes, they'll likely need a liquid cooled engine. For the street? Nope. | ||
| Brucelee |
Blake makes some excellent points. My XB is like riding and maintaining a no-brainer. Get on, and ride. Change oil once in a while and ads gas too. | ||
| Metalstorm |
I don't think he's saying air cooled motors are inferior. I could be wrong (I often am) but I think he's just saying that if Eric Buell wants to remain a player in the motorcycle market, he has to change with the times which is true. I too will stick with the air cooled engine. My experiences with a liquid cooled bike have been similar to Dyna's experiences with his Buell. It has pretty much jaded me against liquid cooled bikes. What can I say? I'm bias against them, but that doesn't mean it's not good step for Buell to take. | ||
| Joojoo |
Hello friendly friends....my turn. I cant imagine Buell running away from the current XB design methodology. XB's are all about, small, torque, loud bark, light, air cooling. Buell commits to this in EVERY interview. We all know by now, that Buell exists around HD motor technology. Not frame building technology, not swingarm technologies, but at the end of the day, motor technology. Its the only part of the bike that really screams HD. Buell (for financial reasons for sure) has to use current HD motors in their bikes to remain profitable for HD, and to keep $$ risk down when launching new products in case of failure in sales. All of the mass produced bikes that Buell has put out have been based around HD motors...I cant imagine that changing. The next bike LINE (not XB) should, really, have the Revolution pushing it. This way, XB's run their own days as streetfighters that really dont care to compete with the Jap sportbikes (because you cant compare apples and oranges). The next line, Rev powered, will be too close to the other liquid cooled twins to not compete. The liquid cooled Buell will be a pivotal turning point for the company. They wont be able to live the liquid cooled bike in the niche that they enjoy today with the XB's. I think the Rev motor in a Buell frame (and you know that fame will be awesome), will destroy the competition. If they can keep the price down on the new liquid cooled Rev line, they will sell bikes. For me, I keep my 12! I like having a fan under my ass for cool days... Jack P.S. Happy New Year! edited by joojoo on December 31, 2003 edited by joojoo on December 31, 2003 edited by joojoo on December 31, 2003 | ||
| Metalstorm |
On a side note.. In an earlier post I said I thought it was cool that Buell uses a 45 degree push rod engine. I want to clairify that. I don't think it's cool in the respect that they move to a different beat (that simply infactuates me), it's because they continue to take an old obsolete engine and make it better. It's like an old fart walking up to a young buck saying "I may be old but I can whip your ass!" and actually be able to back it up if need be. I allways thought the Buell slogan should be "rage against the dying of the light" Well now they ain't raging anymore. They done got themselves some hid lights and a fresh set of batteries. | ||
| Dynarider |
I don't think he's saying air cooled motors are inferior. I could be wrong (I often am) but I think he's just saying that if Eric Buell wants to remain a player in the motorcycle market, he has to change with the times which is true. Exactly, I didnt say the motors were inferior. hell I like the ancient technology motor in my HD..but then its not in competition with a bunch of 160mph+ sportbikes. HD is a player because they dont need mega HP or big qtr mile times to sell bikes, they sell an image & a lifestyle. Cant do that with Buell. You want sales you are going to have to put up numbers similar to the competition if you wanna play in that market. Never said do away with the V-twin air cooled XB bikes, sell em right along with the new Revo powered ones..same as HD does. Give the consumers a choice, right now the pickins are real slim if you are considering a Buell. | ||
| Dynarider |
M1, as far as output from the V-rod motor goes..all depends on how much $$$ ya got. One fella lives in Vegas & with nitrous is putting down over 200rwhp with his. HD has a couple mule v-rods that are at 145hp & 160hp. | ||
| Viros |
A 115-120 hp Revo Buell would definatly be bad ass... That would definatly be a good move for Buell, as for less gas mileage and more maintence goes, its a sacrifice we make, I paid for a 3 year unlimited service package on my bolt and at 17K miles in 7 months im at my dealership every month anyway, and give me a 120hp Buell at 40mpg with a 150+ mile range doesn’t sound to bad to me. Ill rather pay more money for fuel in small increments than large sums at a time for more performance. edited by viros on December 31, 2003 | ||
| Metalstorm |
Damn it, I just can't leave this subject alone. My final thoughts on this; At first I was aghast. I thought "How can they do this? Those bastards!" (pretty stupid & selfish of me actually) I have given this matter much thought and now I totally support them. If this new bike increases Buell's sales giving them a fair share of the market, I say "Go for it! If this new bike gives them the means to plant its roots firmly in the soil and grow and blossom, I say "God Speed!". I am a motorcycle enthusiast and a Buell enthusiast. I will all ways be a Buell enthusiast. But what will it be like being a Buell enthusiast when there is no more Buell?...Hmmm? THINK ABOUT IT If there is no Buell, how will we get parts for our bikes when we need them? If there is no Buell, where do we look for crazy new ideas that actually work in the real world, not just on paper!? If you don't like the new bike don't buy it. A lot of people will like it and most of them will buy it and that's good. That's good for Buell and in the long run, what's good for Buell is good for us. Eric Buell has given us some pretty amazing bikes. It's time we ante up, show our appreciation and back him on this. Now repeat after me...One nation under Buell... That's a little tooooo extreme hehehehe SOMEBODY GET ME OFF THIS SOAPBOX BEFORE I HURT MYSELF!!!!  edited by metalstorm on December 31, 2003 | ||
| Bads1 |
The pickings are slim for Buells.Lots of people would still like to see the tour model's again.As I see it I think the 12 will be around to 2008.Theres rumor that the motor will be put in there cruiser line as well.So what are they gonna do run this in all there bikes within the 4 yrs.I mean if Buell is good with the EPA through 08 how long does HD have with EPA with the TC 88.I would have to say not any longer.Then what run the Revo motor in all there bikes??? | ||
| Dynarider |
Dana, I dont know about the touring aspect for Buell..that was always a very very small part of their business. I think what folks are asking for is a "normal" sized bike. The GP250 size deal is cute & all, but for normal sized people riding 2 up especially on a lightning is not gonna happen. And its ez for some to say "have the wife/girlfriend get her own bike", well sorry to tell you all this, but some of us actually enjoy having our significant other on the back of our bike. I enjoy the time together. It was hilarious at last years Du Chien ride when Marty from Sauk showed up on the lil Bolt with his tiny girlfriend..she might have been 5' & weighed 100lbs...& boy oh boy was she ever bitching about that bike. Seat was uncomfortable, no room, knees up around your ears because of the high pegs, etc. I like to move around a bit on a bike, move forward or back a bit on the seat at times breaks up the monotony & also helps with keeping the blood flowing through the old body. I dont want to be locked into 1 position with no ability to alter that while riding. | ||
| Anonymous |
This V-Rod Buell stuff is utter BS. Profstack, your dealer is an idiot, and is totally misinformed. What possible reason would they have for saying something that is NOT going to happen. It might even hurt sales of the current product if all they talk about is sopme imaginary future model. These bikes do not exist, are not being tested, and will not be coming out. What a crock of BS. The V-Rod is a lovely big cruiser motor, but Buell builds sports bikes. You never saw a Big Twin air-cooled Buell for that reason, and you won't see a V-Rod Buell either. If (and it may never happen) Buell builds a water-cooled bike, it ain't gonna be a compromise. They build the very best air-cooled sports bikes in the world, and they would want to carry the same title in water-cooled. You can't accomplish that with a huge 205 lb engine with a 5-speed in a world of 130-140 lb 6 speed motors. Now, what about a Buell sports bike with a 140 lb H2O 6-speed motor to sell next to the air-cooled ones? Think it would sell? | ||
| Ftd |
FYI Jesse James' streetfighter VTX  | ||
| Doof |
If it's reasonably priced for what it is/would be, and RELIABLE, then yes, I think it would sell. | ||
| Dynarider |
It might even hurt sales of the current product if all they talk about is sopme imaginary future model. These bikes do not exist, are not being tested, and will not be coming out. Exactly why an anon will claim no such beast exists. They are worried that sales of bikes currently available would tank if prospective buyers knew what was in the pipeline & decided to wait. And at least 2 XB mules with Revo motors or what appeared to be a revo motor do exist & have been seen on public roadways. Remember back a few months ago folks, before the 12's were released & we had anons in here that were dismissing all the talk of the new 12 as a bunch of bs. | ||
| Bads1 |
I don't want to debate with anyone Dyna.When HD went racing with that motor back in 94 to develop the motor for the consumer at one point which was 2001.Thats 7 yrs and I know there was probably more developing time then that but,Why would they stuff it in a Buell???My opinion but I personally think HD will reap the benefits of using the Revo motor in some of there cruisers way before handing it off to Buell. edited by bads1 on December 31, 2003 edited by bads1 on December 31, 2003 | ||
| Court |
I am not "an anonymous" nor do I work for or have any association with the Buell factory. >>>>Eric Buell wants to remain a player in the motorcycle market, he has to change with the times which is true. Observation No. 1: The persons name is ERIK BUELL. Let's start there. Spelling the names wrong is insulting and calls all subsequent part of a post into question. I have, framed on the wall, the letter from 1998 telling informing me "Eric and I have been best friends for years". Okay...on to substance. Question No. 1: Explain to me why if he wants to "remain a player" he must change with the time? Observation No. 2: There are more other manufactures emulating Buell, giving rise to a line of logic that if others (folks going to Buell style shocks, perimeter brakes, etc) want to remain players in the market they will eventually have no choice but to follow Buell. I, with 19+ years of riding Buells in 44 states and having owned 9 and ridden thousands, confess great difficulty in following your logic. A significant amount of the Buell's appeal to me is that Erik Buell DOES NOT play follow the leader...I think he has little interest, depending in your definition of "plater" of "remaining a player". Just thoughts.... Court | ||
| Reepicheep |
Geesh people! If you want a blisteringly powerful Buell, then why on earth do you want it to come that way from the Buell factory? Buy a stock bike cheap, send it to Nallin, Cycle Rama, or Tilleys along with a check for about $5000, and see what they send back to you. I promise it will be far more bike then you will ever roll out of a ANY bike dealership for the money! And it WON'T pass the EPA driveby requirements  | ||
| Dynarider |
I think he has little interest, depending in your definition of "plater" of "remaining a player". But HD does. They control the purse strings & if they want to see sales & thusly revenues increase, they will need be ever more "the player". Resting on your laurels & good name will only take you so far. | ||
| Rocketman |
This V-Rod Buell stuff is utter BS. Well seeing as you consider yourself in the know Anonymous who are we to disagree so tell us this Harley is BS too?  Perhaps this is the cause of the confusion - care to comment? Rocket  | ||
| Daves |
Uh, Dyna, that PDC ride was 2 years ago. Marty and you were both "no shows" for this last one in 03. While I don't give my wife rides too often on the Buell(yes, she has her own bike to ride) she claims it's not too bad for short trips and she kind of likes the wheelies(she really liked the laps we did at Brainerd!) For me alone, I have done several 400+ mile days on the Bolt. The dealer meeting next year is in San Diego and I'm seriously thinking of riding the Buell instead of my FLHT. Ride to the edge! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) | ||
| Dynarider |
Umm Dave..I said last years ride, its still 2003 so last years would be 2002 | ||
| Metalstorm |
Court, My appologies to Erik Buell for the misspell. No harm was meant there. As far as playing follow the leader... I never implied that. (Did I?) Buell has never followed anyone nor should he. The revo motor ain't exactly following anyone's lead is it?. It's new and different isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'll be the first to tell ya that I don't know a damn thing about this engine. And I don't see anyone else with anything that comes close to the XBs. All I meant by change with the times was introduce different technologies in a very "Buell" way. I myself like the push rod engine. It's what I prefer but I'm just a small percentage on the big scale. If they build up their stable there will be something for everyone then they'll have a stronger foundation. I wasn't attacking Buell. I was defending Buell. This thread has got people jumping from one side to other. People are bashing the "new bike" before it's even in production (if it ever sees production) Here I am, standing with my pecker in the wind, ass exposed for all to kick saying if Buell wants to go in new directions that's fine by me. I guess I should have expected someone to come along and kick me in the derrier. | ||
| Dynarider |
If they build up their stable there will be something for everyone then they'll have a stronger foundation. I wasn't attacking Buell. I was defending Buell. This thread has got people jumping from one side to other. People are bashing the "new bike" before it's even in production (if it ever sees production) Here I am, standing with my pecker in the wind, ass exposed for all to kick saying if Buell wants to go in new directions that's fine by me. I guess I should have expected someone to come along and kick me in the derrier. Once again, exactly. Im not saying do away with the present bikes. Im saying add to what you currently have. Different strokes for different folks. | ||
| Lake_bueller |
Couple of interesting notes about the above picture: 1) I'm sure about the exact date, but I'm almost 100% positive this concept was released prior to the XB release. 2) The tail section and passenger pegs are 100% XB styling. 3) The wheels are also XB styling. 4) Not positive but looks like it could be an XB swingarm. Things that are serious wrong: 1) Nowhere for fuel 2) Wrong exhaust styling for a Buell. Erik would NEVER have a production bike with side exhaust. I'd tend to agree that Buell will need to go with a "waterbuffalo" at some point in the future. The EPA standards are going to force their hand on that front. Like Courts said "give me a retro S1" |
