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Bartone
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 11:07 pm: | 
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Finedaddy,
So you are going with the rotor mod? Do you need to have a custom v/r with it?
I just picked up a 09 1125r and I want to do the rotor mod just because the $900 price tag does not appeal to me so much for the EBR kit.
How much is the mod gonna cost you and whats the process for it? (someone mentioned a rotor exchange?) |
Ros
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 07:04 am: |
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In my humble opinion, the problem is this "super secret hi-tech" (drill a hole) is in fact to expensive for what it is, yes of course some engineer need to spend some time to improve it, but 900$ is to way much, and not offering the upgrade process in the web is even more frustrating.
Yes I know that EBR is a little company that needs money to grow up, but "hiding" or not mentioning the availability of this upgrade process is not fair.
Take in mind, I'm really interested in the kit, since 3 stator and 4 RR, but 900$ plus taxes is pain in the ass...
Yes I can do the upgrade, but sadly I'm not the USA... so if I'll send my stator, pay shipments to USA + upgrade processes + shipment to Spain, and may be Spain customs charges with some extra fee...
Damn it's easy to pass 2 months to get the upgraded stator and installed. And my CR is my only vehicle, I need it to get to my job.
Friends of USA, you are lucky ones, here in Spain, the 1125 Buell owners are not "welcome" in most of the HD dealers, I can see in their eyes when I arrive at the workshop... "Oh no... Ros 1125... again, crap, I'm going to lose money again"
So what I'm gonna do?? Maybe the easy, and buy the entire kit |
Kruizen
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 07:58 am: |
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The $900 did include the case cover(couldnt find a difference them), 08 stator(18 poles different wire), 08 rotor(with machining), then I also had to buy 3 more quarts of oil $30, gasket $15, and stator nut $30, 1" 1/4 deep well socket $10, borrowed the locking tool $60. Also borrowed impact driver
I think I remember seeing prices between $150-$200 per part previously. But yeah $900 is not a drop in the bucket, but from the sounds of it this might be the only real fix out there.
Fine- wow I never saw 14.8 EVER even when it was new. Is your regulator OK? Or did you post your using an aftermarket one? |
Finedaddy1
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 12:27 pm: |
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Bartone-- Yes I am going with the rotor mod, I think it's $150, I believe there is a core charge, it's posted somewhere around here, I'll find out when I remove mine and get ready to ship it to EBR.
Kruizen--My regulator is fine, it's an aftermarket made by Compufire. Do a search here on Compufire 55402 install, that should bring up my post, I think I've got a little over 3,000 miles on it now.
(Message edited by finedaddy1 on March 12, 2012) |
Bartone
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 07:05 pm: |
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Finedaddy1 - did you just email info@ebr....? or was there someone else who you spoke with to get this done? I'd like to get this done even though there is no issues with my current stator but i'd like to have the piece of mind that its fix and i wont have to worry about it |
Zoolander
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 09:23 pm: |
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Kruizen,
Is that "stator nut", the nut that holds on the rotor? I've read there is one we HAVE to replace but I get confused on which one it is. Where did you get it? Also, do you have a part # for the gasket? |
Kruizen
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 09:44 pm: |
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Yes that is the one we have to replace. The old one was actually warped after taking it off.
Gasket part number. R0008.1am |
Finedaddy1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 12:19 pm: |
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Bartone--I will contact a certain individual that I usually deal with. |
Kruizen
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 02:48 pm: |
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Zoo just saw your other question: I got both the nut and gasket from HD(unfornuatly) |
Baf
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 02:54 pm: |
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I'm interested in the modded 09 rotor as well. I'll buy it if they ever list it on the site... |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2012 - 01:08 pm: |
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> “Cannot say that drilling a hole through something is really high tech, super top secret technology.”
The problem is that this sort of misconception is exactly what facilitates the process of someone else stealing EBR's R&D. You don't think you're doing anything wrong, so you feel no guilt about screwing the guys at EBR. You couldn't be more wrong.
You don't think it's high tech? As it turns out, Electrical Discharge Machining really is high technology, and it's very expensive. The equipment is so expensive that EBR doesn't have the hardware, and they have to send the parts out to have the work done. You don't think it's a secret? The geometry of the EDM holes was a pretty well-kept secret until you posted detailed photos. So you're wrong on both points.
I take great exception to the notion that it's fair play for anyone to steal someone else's intellectual property and sell it at a cheaper price, justifying the act by saying, “because that's what capitalism is all about.” Some people have no scruples. The guys at EBR rely on parts sales to keep food on the table. It bothers me that their own customers wouldn't hesitate to screw them if someone else could offer a pirated copy of their part that's $20 cheaper.
The service that they're offering only costs about $150. It's available, and it's bargain-priced. Personally, I think they're selling the service too cheap, and I told them that the price should be higher. But they're doing this at or near their cost as a service to 1125 owners. It really sucks that people on this forum are willing to screw them. |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2012 - 01:13 pm: |
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> “If it is always effortless why did they make a specific puller to remove the rotor? “
It's only effortless if the part is installed correctly.
I'm not sure who you mean by “they”.
Buell didn't make a specific puller to remove the rotor, the ex-parent company did. If you talk to the guy who actually rebuilds the 1125 motors into 1190 motors, he'll tell you that he doesn't ever use the rotor pulling tool that is sold by the ex-parent company. It's an expensive tool that you don't need.
The old parent company sells lots of parts that you don't need for this job – like the rotor puller, the tool to remove the spring clips on the oil lines, the M6 alignment dowels, etc. Part of the equation is that the ex-parent company likes to sell expensive tools to people who will buy them. If you read through the service manuals, there are lots of tools that you don't need, and a few procedures that are a bit over-complicated.
As an example, the rotor change procedure in the manual is a lot more complicated than it has to be. When I did my first one, I read the manual, and talked to one of the guys I know at EBR to talk about it. I thought that some of the steps in the manual were unnecessary. He told me that there were a lot of disassembly procedures in the service manual that they don't follow because they involve unnecessary steps. When I asked about why the manuals were written the way they were written, he told me unequivocally that Buell didn't write the service manuals, the parent company did, and they had no idea why some of the stuff was in there. |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2012 - 01:47 pm: |
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> “Timebandit-- Did you only do the rotor mod? “
Well, yes and no. The rotor swap was the first step in the thermal experiments I have already talked about on the forum; I pulled my 2009-spec rotor off of my 1125R and sent it to EBR to have it converted into an 1190RS-spec rotor.
The first stage of our experimental protocol involves installing some thermal sensors on the stator, and recording real-time stator temperatures for a stock 2009 system with the normal rotor/shunt regulator, and then comparing those results to the same setup with the RS-spec oiling rotor. The second phase of the study involves replacing the shunt regulator and repeating the experiment with both rotors. The objective is to quantify the relative contributions of the oiling system upgrade and the change in regulation paradigms using Chi Square analysis. With such objective data, it would be clear whether an end-user should just go with the oiling-upgrade, a vreg-swap, or both.
The plan was to do this only on a 2009 bike, but we do have a 2008 that we could perform the tests on for comparison purposes.
In case it's not clear, the 1190RS is built on 2010-spec 1125 Rotax motors, and the 2010-spec charging system has the same rotor/stator as the 2009-spec charging system, with the exception that the oil jet modification is performed on the rotor. This should put an end to the “2008 is better” arguments. EBR uses the later style charging system with the oiling pilot holes on the 1190RS; they aren't using the early style charging system.
For you guys who are complaining that the service isn't on the web site and you're not being able to click-and-buy, just get off of your butts, let your fingers do the walking and call EBR on the phone. If you insist on buying through the website you're going to have to wait who knows how long to get the parts because updating the web site isn't top priority. If you're willing to phone EBR, you can jump to a higher priority level and get the parts right now. It's not as if making a phone call is all that hard to do. Personal contact gets you better service. I don't understand why people are reluctant to do it.
Another thing to consider is that if you call them on the phone, you'll be dealing with real people who want to help you, not an impersonal web site. |
Posplayr
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 01:23 am: |
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What is "Chi Square analysis"??? |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 11:21 am: |
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Well Put TB
I hope that your temp testing goes well |
Finedaddy1
| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 02:41 pm: |
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"In case it's not clear, the 1190RS is built on 2010-spec 1125 Rotax motors, and the 2010-spec charging system has the same rotor/stator as the 2009-spec charging system, with the exception that the oil jet modification is performed on the rotor. This should put an end to the “2008 is better” arguments. EBR uses the later style charging system with the oiling pilot holes on the 1190RS; they aren't using the early style charging system.
For you guys who are complaining that the service isn't on the web site and you're not being able to click-and-buy, just get off of your butts, let your fingers do the walking and call EBR on the phone. If you insist on buying through the website you're going to have to wait who knows how long to get the parts because updating the web site isn't top priority. If you're willing to phone EBR, you can jump to a higher priority level and get the parts right now. It's not as if making a phone call is all that hard to do. Personal contact gets you better service. I don't understand why people are reluctant to do it.
Another thing to consider is that if you call them on the phone, you'll be dealing with real people who want to help you, not an impersonal web site".
Amen! FWIW, I was also told via a phone call to EBR when asked if this new "stator setup" was used on the 1190RS and or on future bikes, he said "no". |
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