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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 06:08 pm: | 
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Whatever else is happening, an organization that quickly and publicly says "that was stupid, and we are fixing it as quickly as we can" has my respect. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 06:39 pm: |
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Blake,
If you'd like you can PM Pegram on FB. Hes had the bike for sale for months. He says nothing about the being WSB. Infact I think you could buy the bike around 22 grand. Don't mark my words on price but I think i'm correct. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 06:46 pm: |
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And its not Jordan team. They run all Bazazz electronics. They have about 30 grand into them. Thing of it is they just like Yosh will spend tons of money reconfiguring those electronics and there programs to help at certain tracks and that takes money and testing. In which other teams can't afford. Another fact.... Jordans team spends about 25% what Team Suzuki/Yosh does. Yes I have a very very good source. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 09:21 pm: |
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>>> Don't mark my words on price but I think i'm correct.
Add $100K to that and you'll be closer.
http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/index.php/topic/1 3358-ask-larry-pegram/page__st__60
€120,000 ea new from Ducati Corse
Looking to sell them for $100,000 ea
http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2010/09/larry-pegra m-puts-his-factory-ducati-superbikes-on-the-market / |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 09:26 pm: |
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Larry Pegram is putting his pair of factory Ducati 1198F08 Superbikes on the market immediately following the final round of the 2010 AMA Pro Superbike series at Barber Motorsports Park later this month. The price? $100,000 each.
These race winning machines are full factory spec Ducati Corse bikes, not the RS variant that is commonly made available to privateers. The spec reads like a fantasy list of components and includes:
- Full factory electronics including , Marvel 4 ECU
- Ducati Corse software with Traction control and engine brake control
- Engines are full spec , Corse cams, pistons, flywheel, slipper clutch, and head flowed, etc.
- Aluminum 24 liter Corse tank
- Adjustable angle and offset Corse clamps
- Brembo monoblock billet calipers and masters.
- Pressurized cooling system with Corse radiator
- Marcesini magnesium wheels, plus extra set of wheels with rotors
- Rapid design titanium front and rear stands
- Corse link and adjustable ride height
- Brembo 6mm rotors
- Corse swingarm
- Corse bars ,rear sets, levers, shifter, everything is Ducati Corse
- Ohlins TTX billet one piece shock (FACTORY ONLY)
- Ohlins fork kits
- Remote brake adjuster
- Map, gear, and TC switchs
Everything you can imagine true factory bikes.
The asking price is $100,000 each. As with all race bikes, what the bikes are worth and what the market is prepared to pay at any given time is hard to determine. Last year we highlighted a factory Ducati 999F06 as raced by Carlos Checa in the BSB series which was listed at $90,000. Compared to that, the 1198F08 could be a bargain but then again Pegram doesn’t have the name that Checa does, something that is often important to purchasers of motorcycle racing exotica.
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Svh
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 09:57 pm: |
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The last dollar amount I heard was $49k and it includes 2 days with Larry and mechanics at the track. |
Hybridmomentspass
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 10:00 pm: |
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the link on his site is broken unfortunately, so cant see what the current price is. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2012 - 10:55 pm: |
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Maybe if he'd repaint them in WSBK Factory Ducati livery, he'd get more. That paint job is hideous. |
Fuzzz
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 01:25 am: |
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I AM glad the AMA has moved to fix the goof up, now lets get on with the racing.... |
Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 04:48 am: |
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Blake,
WSB spec bikes are simply not legal in AMA Superbike. It wouldn't matter if it was Ducati, Honda or Royal Enfield that were running, if it was illegal there would be a raft of protests from the other teams at every round (even if the organisiers were turning a blind eye, which I very much doubt).
The description you pasted above for the Pegram Ducati is very much a sales spiel in my opinion. The fact that they even say
Last year we highlighted a factory Ducati 999F06 as raced by Carlos Checa in the BSB series which was listed at $90,000
makes me think they haven't checked their facts. Checa has never raced in BSB 
WSB spec forks are very different (the same as run in MotoGP), the fuel tank is different and they are allowed to run different con rods and engine internals etc if I remember corectly. TTX shocks are available to buy direct from Ohlins, so are not factory only.
The AMA Spec bikes may be DERIVATIVE of the WSB bikes, but certainly not the same.
I think that the Pegram bike is more akin to the Ducati Corse Superstock bikes than to Checas WSB bike.
We all know how quick Checas bike is even compared to other WSB Ducatis. This should lead you to think that if they had raced a full spec Ducati WSB bike in AMA Superbike against AMA spec bikes it should have cleared off and won every time surely? The fact that it didn't tells me it isn't a full fat WSB bike at all, regardless of the sales speak. |
Amafan
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 07:23 am: |
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Trojan, you are so full of it, you have no idea of the AMA rules, The bikes were ex Bayliss 2008 WSBK bikes . The AMA gave him a few allowances , but AMA rules are not that far off of WSBK rules,and he was allowed to use Ducati racing pistons and cams . Riders did complain, Mat Mladin bitched big time after he lost to Pegram at Road America in 2009, he pretty much said it was a cheater bike ,and Pegram could not carry his jock as a racer,and only won because his bike was way faster on Road America's 3 long 6th gear straights . |
Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 08:14 am: |
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The bikes were ex Bayliss 2008 WSBK bikes
There were only 6 full factory WSB spec Ducatis in existence in 2009. 4 were in WSb and 2 were in BSB. The rest may look the same, but they surely ain't!
Just because you buy an ex-Bayliss or ex-Hodgson Ducati doesn't mean you get all the full factory WSb kit with it! $100,000 would buy you a set of factory WSB forks, maybe  However, The only people who know for sure what the spec of those bikes is are the factory and the guy that bought them. The rest is just speculation.
When Neil Hodgson joined Ducati US from WSB he was extremely surprised by how much slower and lower spec the bikes he was allowed to ride in AMA were compared to his WSB bike. This was becasue the rules were different!
At the end of the day it doesn't matter any more who did what to whom in 2009 and with what.
The argument here is about the placing of badges on 2012 leathers etc and allegedly changing rules at the last minute, not some historical bitching about who cheated (allegedly). That really won't help solve curent problems nor will it make any of the patties involved any less entrenched and move on will it.
It seems now that the badge issue has been resolved, so hopefully the season will now proceed with no more arguments and everyone will be happy bunnies (ha ha). |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 09:41 am: |
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100% WSBK 1098R = Straw man
The "BSB" reference was probably just a mistake; they likely meant "WSB".
Nit-picking does not a convincing argument make.
It's first outing, Pegram and his 1098R set top trap speed at Daytona, 200 MPH.
You've really got to try hard to ignore the facts on this one. They even admit that the bikes were delivered with two engines straight from Baylis' factory bikes.
Was Pegram's engine ever torn down and inspected like they did with the Yosh machine of Mladin? |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 09:43 am: |
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>>> We all know how quick Checas bike is even compared to other WSB Ducatis.
I don't know that at all. I just know how much quicker Checa is. Could be rider and exit speed, could be better tuned machine, could be a combination of both. But I sure don't know it's all in the machine. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 03:53 pm: |
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Why not British Super Bike? |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 04:49 pm: |
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(never mind - read Matt's post above. Checa had never raced the Brit series)
My bad and me no reed 2 goud. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 05:11 am: |
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Was Pegram's engine ever torn down and inspected like they did with the Yosh machine of Mladin?
That is the whole point. Had the other teams suspected that the motor was illegal for AMA use surely they would have filed a protest and themotor would have been stripped for inspection as a result. The fact that it wasn't would lead me to believe that the other teams considered it legal and above board.
However the final piece of the jigsaw that makes me believe that this is definitely NOT a WSB spec bike, is the selling price. You would probably have to add another zero to buy a factory WSB spec Ducati (if they would even sell you one!). A set of WSB forks would cost almost as much as they want for the whole package!
Just because it was listed as ex-Bayliss doesn't mean anything in terms of spec, because the factory take an awful lot of 'stuff' off before the part with bikes. There is a lot of 'stuff' that never leaves the factory's control and wouldn't get sold...to anyone.
Checa may ostensibly be riding for a 'privateer' team, but his bike is a factory bike with factory technicians and goes back to the factory when finsihed with. It certainly wouldn't be sold off 'as is' at the end of the year. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 09:30 am: |
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Matt,
You're still arguing the straw man. No one is saying that Pegram raced a 100% WSBK spec machine. |
Xb1125r
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 11:07 am: |
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looks like Pegram should buy a EBR, which is way cheaper then 100K
and he will finish better the BMW he is riding now |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 02:25 pm: |
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Pegrams 1198F08 had 200+ hp on the VIR dyno, as compared to 180ish of Mladin's Yosh bike. With the spec fuel, I doubt the WSBK engine specs would perform well, and I think the electronics had more to do with it. At this level, it's the magician, not the wand that wins the race.
Ulrich owns Team Hammer, which was contracted to help run the RMR Daytona Sportbikes of Danny and Barney in '09, so he didn't have a problem with the Buell.
Petty bickering aside, Daytona is gonna be a great race, with nice weather, and hopefully an 1190 on the podium with a smiling Mike Kirkpatrick wiping the champagne from the bike! |
Davegess
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 04:39 pm: |
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Daytona is gonna be a great race, with nice weather, and hopefully an 1190 on the podium with a smiling Mike Kirkpatrick wiping the champagne from the bike!
I am so bummed to miss it but Erik and the team deserve all the success they can pull off. They really have a great package, a terrific wand, two wonderful magicians, wizards overseeing the program and enough cash (which is never really enough) to actually take care of business! |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 05:27 pm: |
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>>>>Daytona is gonna be a great race, with nice weather, and hopefully an 1190 on the podium with a smiling Mike Kirkpatrick wiping the champagne from the bike!
Dave and I drew straws to see which one of us was burdened with the duty of covering DAYTONA 2012 for a little project.
He's raising a kid . . . or, perhaps, more accurately . . being raised by one so I took the tough duty.
I heard from the 'Slick clan the other day and we're not the only folks excited about the race, having Danny back home and having Danny and Geoff as Team Mates with Mike Kirkpatrick calling the shots.
One of the few times I've been glad to see my kids grown and gone.
:-)
By the way . . . . word just in . . . Son #1 and SCU found out today that I've officially got a Grandson on they way in July!
See you in Daytona . . . . |
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